The complications of the Dez deal

erod

erod

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,886
Reaction score
58,482
Here's some interesting points about the Dez negotiation that I've heard bandied about locally on the air waves and among cohorts.

From the Cowboys perspective:

1. A deal was pretty much done last season, but when Dez changed agents, it put it on hold. Now, new agent Tom Condon is using that deal as a STARTING POINT for this deal, which justifies him as an agent.

2. The cap hit this year is pretty much the same for the franchise tag as it would be for a long-term deal.

3. Dallas doesn't need cap room this season unless they were to sign Adrian Peterson. So they'd probably structure a long-term deal to take a big hit this year anyway.

4. As such, the injury risk is on Dez for this season under the franchise. That risk would shift to the Cowboys on a long-term deal. (Same for anything off the field.)

5. Dez wants this done by July 15th badly; it's been eating him up for months. The Cowboys' deadline is really next year at this time; they're perfectly fine as is.

6. Tony Romo might only have two good years left possibly. Who's going to throw it to Dez at the end of his deal?

If you're Jerry/Stephen, what would you do?
 
xwalker

xwalker

Well-Known Member
Messages
56,977
Reaction score
64,441
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
erod said:
Here's some interesting points about the Dez negotiation that I've heard bandied about locally on the air waves and among cohorts.
Click to expand...
From the Cowboys perspective:

1. A deal was pretty much done last season, but when Dez changed agents, it put it on hold. Now, new agent Tom Condon is using that deal as a STARTING POINT for this deal, which justifies him as an agent.
Where else would it start.

2. The cap hit this year is pretty much the same for the franchise tag as it would be for a long-term deal.
They can get the cap hit down to about half of the Tag amount, but they don't really need the space.

3. Dallas doesn't need cap room this season unless they were to sign Adrian Peterson. So they'd probably structure a long-term deal to take a big hit this year anyway.
Yes.

4. As such, the injury risk is on Dez for this season under the franchise. That risk would shift to the Cowboys on a long-term deal. (Same for anything off the field.)
Yes.

5. Dez wants this done by July 15th badly; it's been eating him up for months. The Cowboys' deadline is really next year at this time; they're perfectly fine as is.
Good and good.

6. Tony Romo might only have two good years left possibly. Who's going to throw it to Dez at the end of his deal?
The best situation for a young QB to succeed is on a good team with good receivers, a good OL and good defense.

If you're Jerry/Stephen, what would you do?
Exactly what they are doing.
 
RS12

RS12

Well-Known Member
Messages
31,964
Reaction score
27,927
3. Dallas doesn't need cap room this season unless they were to sign Adrian Peterson. So they'd probably structure a long-term deal to take a big hit this year anyway.
Click to expand...

You lost me. When he reported to camp this went out the window. No reason to keep mentioning it. I do think they have two or three aquisitions up there sleve, but he isnt one of em.
 
darthseinfeld

darthseinfeld

Groupthink Guru
Messages
32,206
Reaction score
36,685
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
Good post. I really have nothing substantial to add which is a credit to the OP
 
AzorAhai

AzorAhai

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,511
Reaction score
8,901
What would be ideal for me is getting the deal done now so they can structure it to take a big hit this year. Get Carr done and use every bit that they can(while maintaining some for the season) and structure the lower cap hit years in the most beneficial years for the team. Like next season where Dez having a 6m hit would go a long way towards re-signing Hardy and Crawford.

If Dez and Condon are dead set on a record deal, it doesn’t really matter what the Cowboys want. Hopefully they both come to their senses.
 
DandyDon52

DandyDon52

Well-Known Member
Messages
21,514
Reaction score
15,551
here is a article about the off field issues and concerns the cowboys want in the contract and dez doesnt.
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...rrangement-bryant-i-ve-done-nothing-wrong.ece
I think this is a major issue , more so than the amount per year.
It also affects how much G $ and whether it is in early years of contract or later years.
 
conner01

conner01

Well-Known Member
Messages
28,075
Reaction score
25,986
xwalker said:
From the Cowboys perspective:

1. A deal was pretty much done last season, but when Dez changed agents, it put it on hold. Now, new agent Tom Condon is using that deal as a STARTING POINT for this deal, which justifies him as an agent.
Where else would it start.

2. The cap hit this year is pretty much the same for the franchise tag as it would be for a long-term deal.
They can get the cap hit down to about half of the Tag amount, but they don't really need the space.

3. Dallas doesn't need cap room this season unless they were to sign Adrian Peterson. So they'd probably structure a long-term deal to take a big hit this year anyway.
Yes.

4. As such, the injury risk is on Dez for this season under the franchise. That risk would shift to the Cowboys on a long-term deal. (Same for anything off the field.)
Yes.

5. Dez wants this done by July 15th badly; it's been eating him up for months. The Cowboys' deadline is really next year at this time; they're perfectly fine as is.
Good and good.

6. Tony Romo might only have two good years left possibly. Who's going to throw it to Dez at the end of his deal?
The best situation for a young QB to succeed is on a good team with good receivers, a good OL and good defense.

If you're Jerry/Stephen, what would you do?
Exactly what they are doing.
Click to expand...

I have to agree
I think the team is going about this the right way
I think it's a bit of an ego think with the agent but his job is to get what he can
In the end the decision is dez's, not the agent
I also agree having a top WR for the next QB is just as, if not more important than with romo
In the end though I think a deal will get done
I think dez wants to be here, the team wants him and I suspect it will get done
Though if I was jerry I think I would be just as happy to have dez under the tag for the next two years
 
black label

black label

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,919
Reaction score
8,100
dez needs 20 mil for his scubs and 10 mil to blow, 30 mil guaranteed plus spending money for a moron
 
Jerryrage

Jerryrage

Well-Known Member
Messages
977
Reaction score
908
Once they wipe Miles Austin off the record books. They'll get Dez his bonus check.
 

Frosty

Bigdog24
Messages
3,919
Reaction score
2,228
erod said:
Here's some interesting points about the Dez negotiation that I've heard bandied about locally on the air waves and among cohorts.

From the Cowboys perspective:

1. A deal was pretty much done last season, but when Dez changed agents, it put it on hold. Now, new agent Tom Condon is using that deal as a STARTING POINT for this deal, which justifies him as an agent.

2. The cap hit this year is pretty much the same for the franchise tag as it would be for a long-term deal.

3. Dallas doesn't need cap room this season unless they were to sign Adrian Peterson. So they'd probably structure a long-term deal to take a big hit this year anyway.

4. As such, the injury risk is on Dez for this season under the franchise. That risk would shift to the Cowboys on a long-term deal. (Same for anything off the field.)

5. Dez wants this done by July 15th badly; it's been eating him up for months. The Cowboys' deadline is really next year at this time; they're perfectly fine as is.

6. Tony Romo might only have two good years left possibly. Who's going to throw it to Dez at the end of his deal?

If you're Jerry/Stephen, what would you do?
Click to expand...

WOW...good post.... Looks like the Dallas and Dez contract talks are in the much the same situation as Denver and D Thomas....both teams are not in a good position to give out a long term contract this year
 
GimmeTheBall!

GimmeTheBall!

Junior College Transfer
Messages
36,428
Reaction score
17,003
darthseinfeld said:
Good post. I really have nothing substantial to add which is a credit to the OP
Click to expand...

Well that is all good and swell but i feel you let me down bye not having no substantial things to add. It is sorta like going to the deli and it is closed.
 
iceman117

iceman117

Active Member
Messages
741
Reaction score
137
No long term deal for Dez, let him walk. Save the money for Fredricks,Martin,Hardy and building the D line in the future if that's keeping Lawrence and Gregory or via free agency. Siging Dez now only means the oline will suffer right around the same time as Romo will be on his way out in 2 or 3 years... Dez is great but signing him now will only hurt Dallas in the long run.
 
LatinMind

LatinMind

iPhotoshop
Messages
17,433
Reaction score
11,557
erod said:
Here's some interesting points about the Dez negotiation that I've heard bandied about locally on the air waves and among cohorts.

From the Cowboys perspective:

1. A deal was pretty much done last season, but when Dez changed agents, it put it on hold. Now, new agent Tom Condon is using that deal as a STARTING POINT for this deal, which justifies him as an agent.

2. The cap hit this year is pretty much the same for the franchise tag as it would be for a long-term deal.

3. Dallas doesn't need cap room this season unless they were to sign Adrian Peterson. So they'd probably structure a long-term deal to take a big hit this year anyway.

4. As such, the injury risk is on Dez for this season under the franchise. That risk would shift to the Cowboys on a long-term deal. (Same for anything off the field.)

5. Dez wants this done by July 15th badly; it's been eating him up for months. The Cowboys' deadline is really next year at this time; they're perfectly fine as is.

6. Tony Romo might only have two good years left possibly. Who's going to throw it to Dez at the end of his deal?

If you're Jerry/Stephen, what would you do?
Click to expand...

Its really not even that complicated. Listen to the Joneses. Dez wants a long deal with big money for alot of yrs. Dallas wants a long term deal with most of the guaranteed money at the front of the deal with minimal guaranteed after yr 3. Basically i dont think Dallas wants to be paying him alot of money once he hits 30. Smart business by the team. I think he ends up getting franchised next yr too and then is sent off. And at this point it makes sense for the team. i see Dez's point too, but im a Cowboys fan, not a Dez fan. So i always side with the team and whats best for their future cause players come and go, but my team is forever.
 
daveferr33

daveferr33

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,175
Reaction score
2,113
As Dez's agent apparently keeps reminding him, this is a business. The Cowboys should continue to approach it as such. They should tag Dez for two years and then let him hit the market. By that time (if not already) Dez's best years will be behind him.
A player like a Dez Bryant has most likely seen his peak performance. There is little doubt he will sustain it this year, but he’ll do so playing on a one year franchise tag. His value will drop after that at which point he will need to convince a team that he should earn his top value and can be a guy that doesn’t have a steady decline. In the last three seasons Dez’ average year has been 91/1,311/13.7. Those are numbers that will compare with anyone and should earn in excess of $14 million per year. He’ll likely maintain that this year.

But in 2016 through 2018 we would be looking more at an average of 75/1,050/11. Those numbers are still terrific, but those aren’t other worldly numbers, outside of the touchdowns and the back end is going to likely be under 1,000 yards. That doesn’t merit $14 million. That may not merit $11 million. It’s going to be an uphill battle on a contract and the franchise tag just empowers the team that much more.
Click to expand...

Source: http://overthecap.com/future-projections-wide-receiver/
 
Eskimo

Eskimo

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,821
Reaction score
496
I'd suggesting tagging him this year and then doing some kind of a sign and trade deal next season for whatever we can get - maybe a first rounder for a team really hungry for a #1 WR if we can't work out a long-term deal.

We can then use the money saved to get a second-tier WR in FA and maybe we can draft a WR in the first or second round depending on how the draft goes.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top