Could Dak be hurting himself in the gym?

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Can you name a single power pitcher or elite quarterback that was buff?

Bodybuilding creates strength and size, but it often reduces athleticism if it's not done perfectly. Too many are worried more about the mirror than their performance.

I'm pondering the elite throwers of the football, and I can't think of a single one that didn't look like an insurance agent with his shirt off. Brady, Brees, Peyton, Ryan, Big Ben, Rodgers, Marino, Young, Elway, Cunningham, Kelly, Staubach, Tarkenton, Bradshaw.....

Aikman and Farve were about as chiseled as they got. And those two looked more like good ole boys that grew up on a farm than gym rats.

With that in mind, would it be a good idea for Dak Prescott to lean up a bit? His sturdy frame is good for taking hits, but is he too muscled up to whip a football with the velocity he could if he was leaner? Is his upper body negatively affecting his accuracy?

Most of the power pitchers in baseball are bean poles. The smoothest strokes in the NBA come from guys like Curry, Dirk, and Durant. The best scorers in hockey are often the Crosby, Gretzky, and Bure types.

You can't improve skill with weight lifting. In fact, you can reduce it. Perhaps our QB should re-think his training regimen moving forward.
 
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It doesnt matter if you're short, tall, buff or fat..if you can throw the football everything else is secondary. Look at big Ben. Dude is legit fat for football standards.

Dak needs to continue to work on his craft and if he wants to add muscle even better. Last thing we need is him getting hurt on basic tackles like Romo did later in his career.
 
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I don't really trust our trainers with all the hamstring injuries, so if he is working out according to a plan that isn't in line with the 'function' of QBs, I wouldn't be surprised..

Nothing surprised me anymore as far as Valley Ranch is concerned...
 
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I think the OP makes some good points. You don’t want to be too muscular in the upper body. Flexibility and range of motion is of the utmost importance. However, is Dak really to that level of thickness? Is he any thicker than a Big Ben, or mcnabb?
 
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Maybe Jerry can tell us if he looks good in the shower like Aikman
 
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erod said:
Can you name a single power pitcher or elite quarterback that was buff?

Bodybuilding creates strength and size, but it often reduces athleticism if it's not done perfectly. Too many are worried more about the mirror than their performance.

I'm pondering the elite throwers of the football, and I can't think of a single one that didn't look like an insurance agent with his shirt off. Brady, Brees, Peyton, Ryan, Big Ben, Rodgers, Marino, Young, Elway, Cunningham, Kelly, Staubach, Tarkenton, Bradshaw.....

Aikman and Farve were about as chiseled as they got. And those two looked more like good ole boys that grew up on a farm than gym rats.

With that in mind, would it be a good idea for Dak Prescott to lean up a bit? His sturdy frame is good for taking hits, but is he too muscled up to whip a football with the velocity he could if he was leaner? Is his upper body negatively affecting his accuracy?

Most of the power pitchers in baseball are bean poles. The smoothest strokes in the NBA come from guys like Curry, Dirk, and Durant. The best scorers in hockey are often the Crosby, Gretzky, and Bure types.

You can't improve skill with weight lifting. In fact, you can reduce it. Perhaps our QB should re-think his training regimen moving forward.
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I have no idea if it's affected Dak.
But you're right about the lack of body builder type QBs and pitchers.

I always thought one of the silliest things this board had to offer was being obsessed about whether a QB had abs and bulging biceps or not.
Let's just say, I could get if it were women (or men who like men) wanting it for aesthetic reasons...lol.. but not dude sports fans.
You definitely assume whoever thought that never played those positions.

It is a good idea to be fit though...just not bulky.

I've wondered at times if Russell Wilson hasn't tightened up some due to his bulkiness.
 
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DallasDomination said:
It doesnt matter if you're short, tall, buff or fat..if you can throw the football everything else is secondary. Look at big Ben. Dude is legit fat for football standards.

Dak needs to continue to work on his craft and if he wants to add muscle even better. Last thing we need is him getting hurt on basic tackles like Romo did later in his career.
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Name a good buff quarterback. I can't think of a single one. That's the point.

This guy has been injured once in his 18-year career.

 
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Some interesting names above Dak, not necessarily translating into good play on the field. Some yes, others not so much.

Year: 2016 QB ball velocity

Paxton Lynch, Memphis 59
Jared Goff, California 58
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State 56
Joel Stave, Wisconsin 56
Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State 56
Josh Woodrum, Liberty 56
Cody Kessler, Southern Cal 55
Brandon Allen, Arkansas 55
Trevone Boykin, TCU 55
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54

Other names of note:

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59
Tom Savage, Pittsburgh 57
Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56
Andy Dalton, TCU 56
Cam Newton, Auburn 56
Jameis Winston, Florida State 55
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55
Case Keenum, Houston 55

Kellen Moore, Boise State 52 :muttley:


http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/
 
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Weight-lifting is fine to a degree, but Dak's mechanics are pretty bad irrespective. He often muscles the ball instead of throwing through his hips.

Brady is obsessed with 'fitness', has his own fitness guru Bellichek had to kick off the premises from what I heard, but he does resistance training with emphasis on 'length' and 'extension'. The Brady today is not the guy that was a sixth round pick and lucked into the starting job.
 
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erod said:
Name a good buff quarterback. I can't think of a single one. That's the point.

This guy has been injured once in his 18-year career.

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Dak isnt buff though, he's a thick dude with a solid build. Besides if they plan on using his running ability he needs to be strong enough to take on the hits.

I think people think of that Brady Quin dude and think every qb with a solid build can't play lol.
 
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Perhaps when we get our Oline squared away he wont have to be a chiseled piece of steel . In the mean time with Tyrons back problems and Chas Green getting put in from time to time . I want a guy who is able to get tackled and get back up not the Pillsbury dough boy. Availability is Job one as we have seen in the past while we have had to patiently wait for our QB to get healthy .

Dak accuracy problems need to get worked on but discontinuing weight training is not the place to start . He needs a real competent QB coach.
 
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Honestly - none of this matters. You are right about body types but even arm strength isn't the end all to be all.

It's all about the innate ability to read defenses and anticipate throws and I think you are born with it.

It's like having the DNA to hit a 94 MPH slider at the Major League level you simply can't teach what great hitters do.
 
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