Tyron Smith's back troubles

Point-of-the-Star · Jan 17, 2018

CATCH17 said:
Surgery could completely ruin him.

I think he should avoid surgery at all costs.

There is a machine called a reverse hyper extension machine that I hope the Cowboys know about because a lot of people with bulging discs are having success using that.

Could ruin his NFL playing days but I bet that it's a less than 5% chance.

They've been doing non-invasive treatment for 2 years without success.

Tyron needs to quit *****footing around with this, surgically release the impinged nerve, stabilize/strengthen the bony structure, and then get back to being the best NFL offensive lineman in the game. The sooner the better as time is of the essence.

DHCBF66 · Jan 17, 2018

Vinnie2u said:
Why is it that when we lose our best player at a position. The whole squad tanks. Is it lack of depth , Coaching or attitude. I see other teams such as Philly this year and GB previously not only survive but thrive.

They put all their eggs in one basket thinking Bell was a solid back up. Someone dropped the basket cause all them eggs was cracked... :thumbdown:

Aven8 · Jan 17, 2018

Knotamus said:
Tyron isn’t the only OL dealing with a bulging disc concern. La’el Collins also had issues although he was able to play through it. This should be a major concern. Can you imagine what are line would look like if both go down next year? The word so far via Draft experts is.. there’s only a handful of true “plug-n-play” OLineman in this years draft. I believe a 1st round OL should be a priority OR atleast move up with the 2nd round.

Here’s a few causes of bulging disk issues..Just food for thought:

Working in an occupation that requires repetitive lifting, bending, standing or driving

Improper lifting techniques

Participation in contact sports

Smoking and excessive alcohol consumption

Severe trauma, such as a car accident

A family history of disc disease

So what you're saying is Tyron needs to quit smoking and drinking? Got it!

Nightman · Jan 17, 2018

Sydla said:
That might be an overstatement. If he simply has a bulging disc problem, the odds of surgery ruining him are not that high. Now if he has a more complicated back issue, then maybe.

FWIW, I had surgery to remove part of a disc back in the mid-90s. It was a fairly standard procedure and there were no real other issues. Also, I am not a 310lb LT in the NFL. LOL.

I had a micro-laminectomy on the L5-S1 and was in and out of the hospital in one day back in the 90's

It relieved the sciatic pain and let me golf like a fiend for the next 15 years

TSmith should be fine without the surgery as it is a pain management thing and he can plan for it around game times....any type of fusion procedure would be a lot more serious

Knotamus · Jan 17, 2018

Aven8 said:
So what you're saying is Tyron needs to quit smoking and drinking? Got it!

Wow.. your good. The media loves thinkers like you

TheCoolFan · Jan 17, 2018

He should go get treatment from Brady's trainer. TB12! :flagwave:

Nightman · Jan 17, 2018

DHCBF66 said:
They put all their eggs in one basket thinking Bell was a solid back up. Someone dropped the basket cause all them eggs was cracked...

Bell and CGreen are solid back-ups...... they aren't starters by pay or skill and no one has backup LTs that should start..... Bell and CGreen both had some good games and bad games

CouchCoach · Jan 17, 2018

Does anyone know exactly what the diagnosis is? I have yet to see what his problem is or if it requires surgery.

There are several treatments for lower back ailments depending on what his problem is, disc or structural.

I keep seeing "he should have the operation", what operation?

CouchCoach · Jan 17, 2018

Nightman said:
Bell and CGreen are solid back-ups...... they aren't starters by pay or skill and no one has backup LTs that should start..... Bell and CGreen both had some good games and bad games

There are not 32 starting quality LT's in the league...or any other position.

Bigdog · Jan 17, 2018

blueblood70 said:
I'm hoping he goes right into surgery asap BUT he wasn't lost a game this year just due to his back, he had the hip and than the knee.. maybe the back throws off his mechanics but yes he needs this done asap..why guys wait until march to have these and lingers into TC is beyond me..he skipped it last year in hopes of natural healing but it didn't work..

LC better get his at least evaluated and think long term..

lastly we BETTER get a quality swing tackle this year because iMO this might be the single thing that lost us winnable games after Tyrone went down.. the drop off was way too big

I am not a doctor but you could be right about the back throwing off the knee and hip or vice versa. My dad tore his knee up and compensated for it for over 50 years. When he finally had surgery on it his back was all jacked up and now he has a titanium cage around his low spine to help.

The Quest for Six · Jan 17, 2018

Aven8 said:
So what's the plan to fix this monster? I've heard bulging disc all season, but he hasn't been in for surgery etc. from what I've heard. Is he ever going to be the same again? I'm not a back expert so I'm asking who has input etc?

Tyron is only 27.....crazy!

As a fan it has to be concerning, this issue with his back has now been going on for two plus seasons, I thought he would be having offseason surgery to try to correct the issue with his bulging disc but it appears the doctors and training staff is hoping some rest with help but going into next season Dallas really needs to invest in a very competent swing tackle in case his back issue reoccurs once again and I have no doubt that it will because once you have back issues, you end up having them for life....

Sydla · Jan 17, 2018

Nightman said:
I had a micro-laminectomy on the L5-S1 and was in and out of the hospital in one day back in the 90's

It relieved the sciatic pain and let me golf like a fiend for the next 15 years

TSmith should be fine without the surgery as it is a pain management thing and he can plan for it around game times....any type of fusion procedure would be a lot more serious

I was either L4-L5 or L5-S1, can't remember exactly.

They only removed part of the disc that was bulging. Every now and then, if I sleep the wrong way or sit the wrong way for a long period, the remaining piece of the disc can press the spine giving me sciatic pain down the other leg (right), but often times, it's a short term thing unlike before when it got the point where it was almost daily occurrence being uncomfortable.

I did everything before having the surgery - exercise, PT, injections, etc.

Point-of-the-Star · Jan 17, 2018

CouchCoach said:
Does anyone know exactly what the diagnosis is? I have yet to see what his problem is or if it requires surgery.

There are several treatments for lower back ailments depending on what his problem is, disc or structural.

I keep seeing "he should have the operation", what operation?

Most all back pain is an impinged nerve ... that's a pretty simple assumption. The nerve pathway needs to be free. The only other thought would be an early onset bone degeneration syndrome (still causes nerve impingement) but would require retirement.

On the lay person back pain can be treated conservatively (without invasive surgery). If you are a profession offensive lineman, well, not so much.

The operation I allayed to in my previous post in this thread...release the nerve(s) and strengthen the bony structure or some other precedure ensuring vertebral spacing and intergrity.

DHCBF66 · Jan 17, 2018

Nightman said:
Bell and CGreen are solid back-ups...... they aren't starters by pay or skill and no one has backup LTs that should start..... Bell and CGreen both had some good games and bad games

I like Green, I think he is a solid player WHEN he is healthy, which is rare. It's not a good thing to have a back up that can't stay healthy.

JustChip · Jan 17, 2018

bayeslife said:
We’d be smart to spend a pick early on a versatile OL and groom for the LT position. Have him battle Cooper for the interior spot this year and go from there. I’d go as high as 1st round if BPA falls in our favor.

I agree. I'm a huge fan of BPA, even it the player is at a seeming position of strength. That strength can evaporate in the blink of an eye - look at Michael Irvin and, more recently, Ryan Shazier.

Nightman · Jan 17, 2018

DHCBF66 said:
I like Green, I think he is a solid player WHEN he is healthy, which is rare. It's not a good thing to have a back up that can't stay healthy.

He was healthy this year but just lost hi technique getting moved around

He has been more than acceptable in the other games he played.... he was just lost and confused against Claiborne and was left out to dry

Zimmy Lives · Jan 17, 2018

Nightman said:
Bell and CGreen are solid back-ups...... they aren't starters by pay or skill and no one has backup LTs that should start..... Bell and CGreen both had some good games and bad games

They (Green and Bell) where used incorrectly and not properly prepared. The coaching staff could have prepared them and the entire unit a little better. Might be why Pollard is gone.

I feel for Green. They told him to compete for a starting guard job and then said he had to play tackle. That's fine when you have the reps and experience but he had neither. Green may be salvageable but I doubt it due to his injury history and lack of experience.

Bell is just a backup.

charron · Jan 17, 2018

Green had better games in 2016 at both left and right tackle. Maybe having him try guard killed his technique at tackle? I wouldn't think so since he played tackle in college and his 1st year here but all I know is he was horrible vs ATL.

KJJ · Jan 17, 2018

Back problems don’t go away you can only manage them. LT is going to be a big need this offseason. We’re going to need someone who can fill in for Tyron when his back acts up and who can possibly replace him in the event he has to retire prematurely due to it. We have to prepare for the worst.

aikemirv · Jan 17, 2018

stasheroo said:
The same thing they tried - which failed - to fix the issues from 2016. But sure, let's do the same thing again and expect different results.

It,s not your back or their back or your choice or their choice so why comment on something you don't know anything about? Maybe this is the advice the Doctors give......

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