Tavon Austin Realistic Expectations

Roadtrip635

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Man, that's the frustrating thing for me too. Zeke is a such a good receiver every time we feed him the ball, but he gets like 2 catches per game.

I think part of it is that the staff tries to keep him on a pitch count so they don't end his career early like Murray, and part of it is he's so good in blitz pickup that it's tough to send him out on passing routes. But that's just me guessing.

I don't see any reason why he couldn't catch 60+ passes a season if we wanted him to.


I understand not wanting to overwork him, but instead of averaging 25 carries/2 receptions a game, why not 21/5? He would take a little less pounding from 325lb lineman rushing through the LOS and he ends up getting covered by a LB, or even better a (smacks lips)DB. The odds are very low, he'd get double covered, especially on typical RB short routes. Teams couldn't employ a spy to keep Dak from scrambling as often since they now have to account for Zeke, which opens more lanes for him to take off. If Zeke is going to go into routes more often, the defense will definitely have to keep their eye on him to help gang tackle, which helps our mediocre WR corps get open, DB turns his head or gets caught leaning towards Zeke. We always hear, if you can get so and so the ball in space, well Zeke doesn't need space, he'll run people over and create his own or drag them along. He may not quite have Tavon speed, but the few that can catch him are going to have a heck of a time bringing him down. Kinda like the dog chasing a car, now that he caught it, what's he gonna do?
 

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He's a role player at best. It's not good enough to just be a freak athlete in the NFL, you have to be a much more polished route runner as well as have a strong understanding of football. Nothing Austin has done suggests he can be that type of a guy. His ceiling is Cordarrelle Patterson
 

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I think we're already seeing unrealistic expectations here. If he does a decent job returning kicks, and knocks off the fumbles, I'll take it. If he becomes a legitimate weapon on offense I'll be pleasantly surprised.

You just need him to take DB and safety out of a play a couple/few times a game and do what you can with 21. I'll be ecstatic if he's given that much respect each game.
 

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There are those that believe just by donning that Star, they will become better. They will be used better than their previous coaching staff.

We cannot put anything into what anyone on the team says about him. He was traded by his team, they didn't want him. He needs a confidence build and they will see he gets it.

But if he isn't much better in Dallas, so what? It's not like they targeted him and went after him as they did Galloway and Williams. They needed a ball carrier, receiver and return guy and he's all three.

He is a player with speed and talent and maybe a change will do him good. My only reservation with Austin is his OC implementing him as a weapon. I just do not see Linehan as creative, inventive or a NFL caliber OC.
 

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There are those that believe just by donning that Star, they will become better. They will be used better than their previous coaching staff.

We cannot put anything into what anyone on the team says about him. He was traded by his team, they didn't want him. He needs a confidence build and they will see he gets it.

But if he isn't much better in Dallas, so what? It's not like they targeted him and went after him as they did Galloway and Williams. They needed a ball carrier, receiver and return guy and he's all three.

He is a player with speed and talent and maybe a change will do him good. My only reservation with Austin is his OC implementing him as a weapon. I just do not see Linehan as creative, inventive or a NFL caliber OC.

One thing is certain, Austin has a better chance of helping this team than a typical 192nd pick. A pick that low is almost a worthless commodity and so it won't take much for him to be worth it.
 

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He’s suddenly going to average 16.1 yards/reception after going 8.7 his first 5 seasons?

Yup. He’s had one good year of qb play. Last year when he was phased out of the offense. If he is still under 10 ypc than we are using him wrong too.
 
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He is going to be a big weapon whether he has the ball or someone else does.
 

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I predict that after he fumbles a punt he won't say he will do it again.

Rounding off....

25 catches 250 yards 1 td
50 rushes 250 yards 1 td.
25 punt returns 300 yards. 1 td. Several muffed or fumbled punts
20 kick returns 500 yards. 1 td.
 

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I think we're already seeing unrealistic expectations here. If he does a decent job returning kicks, and knocks off the fumbles, I'll take it. If he becomes a legitimate weapon on offense I'll be pleasantly surprised.

It has to be done without taking Zeke off the field. If his production comes at the expense of sitting our best player then it doesn't help the team whatsoever. It only would hurt them.

That is why it's a bad trade. It's not the pick. It's what his addition means to the offense. They want another Lance Bumbar.

It's going to be great to see this offense fail in key critical situations with Zeke Elliott on the sidelines. All because they're super smart and stuff and know the value of this idiotic gadget role.
 

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This is what you should expect:

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He has a large body of work and had one of the best offensive minds in football calling the plays last year. His catch percentage has to be one of the worst in the league.
 

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It has to be done without taking Zeke off the field. If his production comes at the expense of sitting our best player then it doesn't help the team whatsoever. It only would hurt them.

That is why it's a bad trade. It's not the pick. It's what his addition means to the offense. They want another Lance Bumbar.

It's going to be great to see this offense fail in key critical situations with Zeke Elliott on the sidelines. All because they're super smart and stuff and know the value of this idiotic gadget role.

Yeah, I don't understand the fascination with a Lance Dunbar role. Zeke has shown he's a capable pass catcher, and why wouldn't you want the ball in HIS hands?

I like the Jihad Ward addition, so if Austin can return punts then it's okay. But the apparent plans for Austin beyond that don't make much sense to me.
 

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We've all seen his highlights and his speed in undeniable, but why hasn't he been more productive at the NFL level? It's easy to dismiss that he wasn't used properly, the Ram's previous regime wasn't very good and he's had bad to mediocre QBs, and that's partly true. Why would McVay be willing to lose a player with that type ability for a mere 6th rd pick? Some just dismiss it as his injury put him behind in the off season and TC and when he was finally healthy, didn't want to mess with team chemistry. That may be partly true, but why would he want to get rid of him if he's truly as electric as many think he can be? I'm sure he's watched every single snap Tavon had as a Ram, so what did he see?

It's ironic that the Rams signed Lance Dunbar, in effect, to take over many of Austin's duties on offense and we look at Austin to fill the once Dunbar duties for us. Austin was beat out by rookie WR Kupp (4.6/40yd) and Kupp while he flashed at some points was also among league leaders in drops and struggled during stretches of the season. Austin lost his PR duties, due to reoccurring fumbling issues, to another rookie P. Cooper (4.6/40yd) who went on to the Pro Bowl. Watkins and Woods both missed games with injuries and yet Austin did not make an impact during their absences.

I've tried looking for some answers. First, Austin has average to below average hands, he's been among league leaders in drops. Some of it is his size, small hands and some is technique, let's the ball get into his body. He is not a great route runner and does struggle to get separation which sounds crazy with his speed, but with the exception of Go routes etc., routes are not run at top speed. Again some of his route running issues are not truly his own fault, much is because of his size. He struggles to get off the line against press coverage and gets bumped and bodied off routes across the field because of his small frame. He's a small target, smaller catch radius and will get bullied and bodied on passes. Here's some dubious stats

Austin is the first WR in NFL history to catch at least 13 passes and not get at least 50yds. (2017) His longest catch went for just 13 yards, while he had three go for negative yardage.

Since 2000, among 249 WRs with at least 200 career targets, Austin ranks dead last yds/ target average. 249th out of 249 is not very dynamic or electric.

These stats from 2016. Case Keenum and Jared Goff averaged a passer rating of 56.1 when targeting Tavon Austin. When targeting all other Rams receivers, they averaged a passer rating of 75.1.

Kenny Britt saw only 8 more targets than Austin, but totaled 493 more yards, 2 more touchdowns, and 5 fewer dropped passes. Keenum and Goff combined to average a passer rating of 96.2 when targeting Britt. Yes, the legendary Kenny Britt.

Among all 89 wide receivers with at least 50 targets, Austin ranked worst in yards per target average, 2nd worst in WR rating (passer rating when targeted), 8th worst in drop rate (percentage of catchable targets dropped), and 14th worst in yards per route run.

Talking with several Rams fans, all like Austin and want him to do well, the guy is likable and a team player. One frustration many expressed, apart from what's been mentioned, is his habit of dancing around or running backwards trying to make something happen and instead getting negative yards or giving up yards he had gained.

Austin is a good runner with the ball. Among all players with at least 125 carries since 2013, Austin leads in yards per carry average (6.7). Many of those rushes are of the sweeps, reverses, etc. variety. He can be a great gadget player and there can be creative ways to get him the ball, but he does have his limitations. He's a slightly better Lucky Whitehead, with better name recognition.

It will be up to Linehan to be creative, but hopefully won't force the issue hoping to make it work. Hopefully we'll see Linehan get out of some of his comfort zone, maybe some bunch formations, having both Zeke and Tavon in the back field together at times, etc. I'm not trying to say Tavon sucks, but there are more reasons than just a bad Ram's team to explain why Tavon hasn't had more success in the NFL. You have to look past the speed and look at the total package and what he brings and doesn't bring to the table.. It's worth the risk for a 6th rd pick, just be realistic about the expectations.

I don't think anybody has expectations of him being a starter.

Lucky Whitehead had some value when he was here.

The 2017 Cowboys could have used Whitehead because they were so devoid of speed.

If Austin is a better version of Whitehead, that's good enough.

These speed role player types can have an impact beyond their own stats. The Cowboys in 2017 needed other options on 3rd and medium/long. They didn't have anybody other than Zeke that was a threat if they caught the ball short of the sticks.
 

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Only once in Austin's 5 year career did he average more yards/punt return than Switzer did last year, but he also had 1TD and 5 fumbles that year too.

The person that wanted Austin was Scott Linehan the OC. They didn't trade for him at the behest of the ST coach.
 

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I think we're already seeing unrealistic expectations here. If he does a decent job returning kicks, and knocks off the fumbles, I'll take it. If he becomes a legitimate weapon on offense I'll be pleasantly surprised.

No, I think people are taking positive posts about him and strawmanning those posts into something else.

People have some excitement about him as a role player, not as a starter. Other people try to strawman that into saying people are expecting a Pro Bowl player.
 

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Zero expctations. It’s still the same coaches and I have little faith that they can design plays to take advantage of his skills and even less faith they would actually call those plays in games.
 

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Yeah, I don't understand the fascination with a Lance Dunbar role. Zeke has shown he's a capable pass catcher, and why wouldn't you want the ball in HIS hands?

I like the Jihad Ward addition, so if Austin can return punts then it's okay. But the apparent plans for Austin beyond that don't make much sense to me.

They don't want Zeke to play all the snaps.

Zeke might be the best in the NFL at rushing the ball; however, while he is a good receiver, there are multiple players in the NFL on his tier as a receiver.

If he is not going to play 100% of the snaps, then another player either replaces him on:

1: 1st/2nd down or 3rd and short.

2: Passing situations.

Personally I never want another player replacing him on option 1.

On option 2 I'm OK giving Zeke a rest.
 

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The person that wanted Austin was Scott Linehan the OC. They didn't trade for him at the behest of the ST coach.
That was posted to show Tavon's production as a PR against someone they saw on a regular basis in Switzer. Many keep mentioning Tavon as a PR and talk about how productive he could be. Many didn't like Switzer but advocate for Austin to PR, but when looking at his production, Austin wasn't nearly as great as they would think, and comes with a much higher risk.
 
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