Would you package Anthony Brown and a 7th for LB Darron Lee from Jets?

Xavier187

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Darron Lee wouldn't play more then 30% of snaps for us.

Trading a top 3 of the depth chart CB for a LB that will play less then 30% of snaps is not a good trade. Unless that top 3 CB is truely awful. Which Brown is not


Anthony Brown is trash . He is on the last yearvof his contract and Jourdan Lewis should be starting.

So get over that.

He is also in the last year of his contract
 

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What is up with the fascination people have with having 3 highly paid LBers. Barring injury, you'll get more snaps from your nickel CB vs your 3rd LB in a 4-3. In 2018, Anthony Brown played in 67% of defensive snaps, and Damien Wilson played in 28%.

This. Your 3rd linebacker is pretty much a backup in today's NFL. I'd prefer to keep Brown.
 

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I’d rather keep our corners due to the fact the way the nfl is changing most teams only play 2 lbs majority of game now and a 3 corner instead
 

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Anthony Brown is trash . He is on the last yearvof his contract and Jourdan Lewis should be starting.

So get over that.

He is also in the last year of his contract

Really doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make sense to trade a 7th for Darron Lee given he’s a free agent after the season, unless we are willing to pick up his $9.8 million dollar bonus. May as well use that resource else where given how little a 3rd LB sees the field
 

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Let me make this as transparent as possible. Here are all of the 4-3 teams and the snap % of their 3rd CB/5th DB vs a 3rd LB. The DBs snaps will be listed first...

Dallas 67% vs 28%
NY Giants 39% vs 55% (this number is skewed by Eli Apple getting traded mid season. If you combine Apple's numbers with his replacement you get 725 snaps or 66%)
Philly 5 CBs above 33% vs 31.6% (3rd CB was 52% but they had several CB injuries, so I wanted to show how many CBs got snaps over their 3rd LB)
Minnesota 54% vs 32%
Carolina 63% vs 59% (this number is heavily skewed by Carolina working Shaq Thompson into Thomas Davis role. Worth pointing out that Thompson was a first round pick as a third LB who has never played as many snaps as Anthony Brown did in 2018)
Tampa 40% vs 35% (these numbers should be thrown out considering the number of injuries at CB and LB)
Atlanta 76% vs 48%
New Orleans 59% vs 47%
Seattle 67% vs 28%
Arizona 50% vs 32% (they used 3 safeties more often than not as opposed to a 3rd CB)
San Francisco 55% vs 31%
New England 61% vs 31% (also opted for a 3rd safety over a 3rd CB)
Miami 73% vs 62% (also opted for 3rd safety over a 3rd CB...Minkah Fitzpatrick was technically both)
Buffalo 44% vs 62% (here is one of the few examples of a good defense using a 3rd LB more than a 3rd CB/S)
Cleveland 55% vs 58% (skewed by injuries again. Several DBs in the 40s and 30s that lowered that 55% down)
Cincinnati 60% vs 45%
Indianapolis 42% vs 37% (I had to combine the 3rd and 4th LB to get to 37%, obviously an injury, but data is consistent with my point)
Jacksonville 44% vs 14%
LA Chargers 60% vs 25% (had a 3rd safety at 66% that I didn't include)
Oakland 49% vs 40%

So across the league, 3rd CBs/Safeties are getting 50%-65% of defensive snaps and your 3rd LBs are getting between 30%-45% of. There are a few outliers, like Buffalo and Cleveland, but I would suggest looking at similar schemes as ours. Seattle is near identical, Atlanta is even more skewed towards using a 5th DB over a 3rd LB. Even Jacksonville's d-coordinator spent 2 years in Seattle and they use their 3rd-5th LBs for a combines 22% of snaps (6th and 7th LB played 0 snaps). So this has nothing to do with Darron Lee and everything to do with scheme.
 

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Let me make this as transparent as possible. Here are all of the 4-3 teams and the snap % of their 3rd CB/5th DB vs a 3rd LB. The DBs snaps will be listed first...

Dallas 67% vs 28%
NY Giants 39% vs 55% (this number is skewed by Eli Apple getting traded mid season. If you combine Apple's numbers with his replacement you get 725 snaps or 66%)
Philly 5 CBs above 33% vs 31.6% (3rd CB was 52% but they had several CB injuries, so I wanted to show how many CBs got snaps over their 3rd LB)
Minnesota 54% vs 32%
Carolina 63% vs 59% (this number is heavily skewed by Carolina working Shaq Thompson into Thomas Davis role. Worth pointing out that Thompson was a first round pick as a third LB who has never played as many snaps as Anthony Brown did in 2018)
Tampa 40% vs 35% (these numbers should be thrown out considering the number of injuries at CB and LB)
Atlanta 76% vs 48%
New Orleans 59% vs 47%
Seattle 67% vs 28%
Arizona 50% vs 32% (they used 3 safeties more often than not as opposed to a 3rd CB)
San Francisco 55% vs 31%
New England 61% vs 31% (also opted for a 3rd safety over a 3rd CB)
Miami 73% vs 62% (also opted for 3rd safety over a 3rd CB...Minkah Fitzpatrick was technically both)
Buffalo 44% vs 62% (here is one of the few examples of a good defense using a 3rd LB more than a 3rd CB/S)
Cleveland 55% vs 58% (skewed by injuries again. Several DBs in the 40s and 30s that lowered that 55% down)
Cincinnati 60% vs 45%
Indianapolis 42% vs 37% (I had to combine the 3rd and 4th LB to get to 37%, obviously an injury, but data is consistent with my point)
Jacksonville 44% vs 14%
LA Chargers 60% vs 25% (had a 3rd safety at 66% that I didn't include)
Oakland 49% vs 40%

So across the league, 3rd CBs/Safeties are getting 50%-65% of defensive snaps and your 3rd LBs are getting between 30%-45% of. There are a few outliers, like Buffalo and Cleveland, but I would suggest looking at similar schemes as ours. Seattle is near identical, Atlanta is even more skewed towards using a 5th DB over a 3rd LB. Even Jacksonville's d-coordinator spent 2 years in Seattle and they use their 3rd-5th LBs for a combines 22% of snaps (6th and 7th LB played 0 snaps). So this has nothing to do with Darron Lee and everything to do with scheme.

Nice work finding all that data!
 

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AB is our #3CB and sees the field quite a bit.

We're stacked at LB with Smith, LVE, and Lee.

To be honest I dont know the first thing about Darron Lee but i dont see the point to this trade from a personnel level.

We need Brown for the fast receivers. Especially teams like philly that brought back in D-Jax.
 

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Anthony Brown and Byron Jones are FA at the end of this season.
STEPHEN JONES has publicly said CB is a Sneaky need for this team.

Isiah Johnson is a big name to watch. Richard has went and worked him out and they seem to like the guy.
So when would D Lee even get on the field?..between Jaylon & LVE?...plus ABrown plays 75+% of the defensive snaps ...
 

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Chiefs just got him for a 6th round pick.

Why don't we ever make trades like this? Instead we give away 6th round picks for the likes of Bene Benwikere.
 

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It'd just be trading one depth position for another. Get rid of Brown, and you weaken the secondary to improve the linebacker corps.

I guess if you feel that cb depth is better than lb depth at this time, then you'd make the trade.

But to me both positions have about equal depth need....
 

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I don't support the idea of trading a starter for a backup based on positional snaps in this defense. Then Darron would to beat out Sean Lee, then you factor in Darron's cap number is higher than Brown.

I'd like for DAL to trade for Lee using a 5th rounder at the most. Then recoup that 5th by trading a player around 53 cut day.
 

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I dont get where people see sean lee starting?

They lowered his cap number and left incentives.
They would wanna limit him as much as possible to stay below the incentives so his number stays down. The let him find a job next uear some where else.

Darron lee is young and has three years of service under his belt. Covers TEs and Slot WRs better then either of our LBs.
Very cheap not expensive. And close friends of Elliot.
This guy would make us even better. SEAN LEE would be the brether LB.

Insane js to think Sean Lee will start
U realize Dallas doesnt run the 4-3much...80% a Nickel Defense..so only 2 LBs are on the field ....rather have a nickel cb than a 3rd ir 4th LB
 
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