Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

Rockport said:

It’s in the best interest of the Cowboys, because of the salary cap, to sign Dak NOW. Why can’t people not understand this?

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well I was saying the smart play was to already have him signed.
It should not have gone on this long.

CouchCoach said:

But did Dak's play in 2017 warrant an extension? What the Joneses are doing is betting that Cooper was the difference and Moore will be the difference this season and that was all on his OC, as some believe here.

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They're also betting upon internal improvement as far as the fact that he's still only 3 - going into 4 years in and QB's can take time. They watched Romo develop for years on the bench and then watched him continue to develop on the field after that.

Go ahead and factor that in also, my friend.

DandyDon52 said:

well I was saying the smart play was to already have him signed.
It should not have gone on this long.

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Patience young grasshopper.

CouchCoach said:

But did Dak's play in 2017 warrant an extension? And halfway into 2018, he didn't look like a QB worth extending.

What the Joneses are doing is betting that Cooper was the difference and Moore will be the difference this season and that was all on his OC, as some believe here.

The question is if they don't extend him now and wait another season until he's a FA, what's the going rate on QB's then? And what are their options then but to use a 1st on a rookie QB and start the process again?

The Joneses are between a rock and a hard place with QB's and they're not alone.

As far as tanking, do you really think the NFL or Booger would let the Dallas Cowboys tank? The #1 TV attraction in the NFL tanking would be a wonderful story for the networks.

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do you really think the NFL or Booger would let the Dallas Cowboys tank?..........Well Jerry probably would never allow a tank, but it is the smart play
if your wanting a new QB. Of course they would also have to know a QB they want will be in the next draft.
The nfl could not stop a tank, gruden just clearly did one.
But did Dak's play in 2017 warrant an extension?........ that was a messed up year, with elliot missing the 6 games, (a good year to tank lol)
and really it didnt matter, they committed to Dak when they made him starter over Romo, and since he wasnt playing great, the best thing to
do was sign him to an early extension, and at the time it would have seemed too high and stupid, but it would look pretty good now.
Every new QB deal pushes the price up no matter how good your QB is, so it is stupid to wait.
Also no deal and no security like G money gives, and a small salary like dak is on now, doesnt make for a happy QB.

Give that man his money....

ufcrules1 said:

Give that man his money....

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A ufcrules1 sighting is so rare nowadays. I can't help, but like the post automatically.
You seem much more relaxed with this team's current QB over that last guy.

glimmerman said:

Something tells me we are going to pay him more or about the same as wentz. It’s really got to do with the team around them also. Both QB has really had a pretty good team around them. I see them around the same. I will be happy when it’s over. Move on to how much we are going to over pay Cooper.

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Yeah, I'm not really that concerned about what he gets paid. A few million here or there isn't going to make as much impact as a lot of people believe because the guaranteed money is going to be the same as the others are getting.

Rockport said:

Dak’s outplayed him in every game they’ve faced each other. The key to your statement is “2 years ago”.

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What? Two years ago, Dak was the better quarterback. The past two years, the numbers favor Wentz.

There are things in both of their favors and there are areas where the team can say in negotiations, "Well, he was better than you at ____." There's no way that Dak's side can use him being better than Wentz as a negotiating tool without Dallas being able to point out that the numbers show Wentz as been the better passer the past two years.

gimmesix said:

What? Two years ago, Dak was the better quarterback. The past two years, the numbers favor Wentz.

There are things in both of their favors and there are areas where the team can say in negotiations, "Well, he was better than you at ____." There's no way that Dak's side can use him being better than Wentz as a negotiating tool without Dallas being able to point out that the numbers show Wentz as been the better passer the past two years.

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The last 2 years don’t favor Wentz because he hasn’t been on the field who you trying to kid.

Rockport said:

So the QB is the ONLY difference between teams. Yeah, you showed your understanding of NFL football there.

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yeah, Im an idiot. Teams with SB capable QBs are in the mix, teams without are not in the mix. Having a HOF doesnt mean you are winning the SB, but without a pro bowl QB your chances are miniscue, unless you have a historically great QB, and screw you and what you think of my football IQ....

Roadtrip635 said:

Staubach was the backup. He started the season on the bench, even alternated plays after that, until later in the season.
Bradshaw was the backup before becoming the starter midway in the season.
Plunkett was a bust most of his career, it wasn't until Pastorini broke his leg that he became their starter
Williams was most certainly the backup, only started a couple games during the season when Schroder injured his shoulder.
Dilfer was the backup, but replaced Banks in week 9
Brady was the backup and if Bledsoe hadn't been knocked out that season, it's a guess when/if Brady would have had a chance to even compete for the starting job.
Warner is questionable and was in a similar position as Dak was in his rookie season, he started the season, but he wasn't meant to be the team's starter.
Earl Morrall twice, sort of, once with the Colts came in to the Super Bowl when Unitas was injured and the team trailing. While he didn't win the Super Bowl for the Dolphins, did lead the team when Griese went down and won 9 games to help get them there. He might have been the greatest backup QB ever.

Just because you don't consider some "backup quality", didn't mean they weren't backup QBs for those teams at the time. They were all backups at the time for a reason, some because of ability, age or experience, but each are cases when the backups took advantage of their opportunities.

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Staubach HOF
Bradsahw HOF
Plunkett probably the single most debated player left out and if Im not mistaken only qb with 2 rinsg not in HOF
Brady considered the greatest QB Ever
Warner HOF

To call any of the above a backup is a joke.


Morral did not take over mid season for a starter... no dice

Ill give you Williams, and like I already said, Hostetter and Foles, thats it. Bottom line is if you lose your starter mid-season, your season is over



Staubach..... hahahahahhahahahah, PULEASE!
I guess I could put in Steve Young to your list also, he did sit behind Montana..... smh

Rockport said:

The last 2 years don’t favor Wentz because he hasn’t been on the field who you trying to kid.

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I see that you are going to ignore the superior numbers that he put up when he was on the field. Like it or not, those are a factor in setting value.

If Dak was coming off the year that he put up as a rookie, he would be seeking and getting Russell Wilson-type money. The fact that he had a statistically poor season in 2017 and a statistically average season in 2018 gives Dallas ammo in negotiations.

The fact that 12 quarterbacks, including Wentz who was fifth, had better QB ratings than him last year is a factor. The team could argue that it has no way of knowing if he'll ever have another season like his rookie year or QB rating over 100.

You can't overlook that any more than you can overlook the fact that he has led his team to the playoffs twice and he's stayed healthy.

Those points should balance out to where Dak settles for an offer similar to Wentz's.

J12B said:

Prescott's should be exactly what Carson got. Maybe 1 million more per year.

Eagles greatly overpaid in my opinion.

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Yeah, just ONE MORE reason to hate the Eagles.

Reid1boys said:

yeah, Im an idiot. Teams with SB capable QBs are in the mix, teams without are not in the mix. Having a HOF doesnt mean you are winning the SB, but without a pro bowl QB your chances are miniscue, unless you have a historically great QB, and screw you and what you think of my football IQ....

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Nice pivot there.

gimmesix said:

I see that you are going to ignore the superior numbers that he put up when he was on the field. Like it or not, those are a factor in setting value.

If Dak was coming off the year that he put up as a rookie, he would be seeking and getting Russell Wilson-type money. The fact that he had a statistically poor season in 2017 and a statistically average season in 2018 gives Dallas ammo in negotiations.

The fact that 12 quarterbacks, including Wentz who was fifth, had better QB ratings than him last year is a factor. The team could argue that it has no way of knowing if he'll ever have another season like his rookie year or QB rating over 100.

You can't overlook that any more than you can overlook the fact that he has led his team to the playoffs twice and he's stayed healthy.

Those points should balance out to where Dak settles for an offer similar to Wentz's.

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What superior numbers?

Reid1boys said:

Staubach HOF
Bradsahw HOF
Plunkett probably the single most debated player left out and if Im not mistaken only qb with 2 rinsg not in HOF
Brady considered the greatest QB Ever
Warner HOF

To call any of the above a backup is a joke.


Morral did not take over mid season for a starter... no dice

Ill give you Williams, and like I already said, Hostetter and Foles, thats it. Bottom line is if you lose your starter mid-season, your season is over



Staubach..... hahahahahhahahahah, PULEASE!
I guess I could put in Steve Young to your list also, he did sit behind Montana..... smh

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Just because some of them went on to have great careers didn't mean they weren't a backup at some point, they weren't HOFers then. Morrall came in off the bench during a Superbowl, when Unitas was injured and won the game. He took over for the Dolphins as starter in week 6 after Griese was injured. He didn't start that Super Bowl, but he helped save their season to get them there. He also became the Colts starter when Johnny U. was lost for the season, during a pre-season game. He wasn't meant to be the starter that season, but still lead the team to a Super Bowl, but lost to the Jets.

Brady only got a shot because Bledsoe got injured. He might have not even been given a chance to compete for the job since Bledsoe had just signed an NFL record 10 year contract. If not for that injury it's a guess when Brady would have gotten a shot as a starter.
Plunkett was a journeyman QB in his 30's and riding the bench. He was only given another chance to start when Pastorini broke his leg and they didn't think Marc Wilson was experienced enough to start.
Roger was a backup because Landry didn't trust him enough and Morton had just taken the team to a Super Bowl and one of the best passers in the league.
Warner had played in NFL Europe, the Arena League, left unprotected in the Expansion draft, he wasn't even given a chance to compete for the starting QB job. Trent Green had just signed a brand new contract too and if not for the injury we'll never know when/if Warner would have even been given a shot.

Some of them ended up being better than the guys they replaced, but they were still backups to someone else when they took those teams to a Super Bowl in their respective years. It was fortunate they had quality depth. Some of those guys were expected or teams hoped they would eventually become starters, but some were fortunate accidents.

Young wouldn't count since he didn't win a Super Bowl as Montana's backup. Young has 3 rings, but only "won" one of them, Montana won his other two.

Rockport said:

He’s gonna get signed no matter so you may as well go root for Wentz along with @Risen Star your boy.

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Dear boy, your arrogance is tingged by the artful hue of ignorance, street urchins.
Keep me posted on the crabs.
Onward, then. Through the narrow marsh left....

GimmeTheBall! said:

Drar boy, your arrogance is tinged by the artful hue of forgiveness, street urchins.
Keep me posted on red tide, old skipper. Onward, then.

Dear boy, your arrogance is tinged by the artful hue of forgiveness, street urchins.
Keep me posted on the crabs.

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Your mistake my mushroom influenced friend. It’s not arrogance but wisdom. I’m no better than anyone else other than being an ole fart. It’s true that with age comes wisdom because with age you lose everything else i.e. your looks, your energy, etc. All we have left is our wisdom. So pay attention young grasshopper.

Rockport said:

Your mistake my mushroom influenced friend. It’s not arrogance but wisdom. I’m no better than anyone else other than being an ole fart. It’s true that with age comes wisdom because with age you lose everything else i.e. your looks, your energy, etc. All we have left is our wisdom. So pay attention young grasshopper.

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My two attempts, techboy to reply.
Also, go to YouTube to The FAME kids singing We're gonna live forever. Heh.

wow ...

Big Ben salary (After Two Superbowl wins) = 26 million / year , 67 million guaranteed .

Dak wants 33 million / year , and who knows how much guaranteed .

LMAO.