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I've been thinking about this since I started really paying close attention to how Belichick does it in NE and I am convinced he has the formula that he doesn't share with many people and in it he has money or %'s assigned to each position category like DE's or he's mad scientist enough to have it down to DE 1, DE 2. he didn't even make an attempt to keep Flowers and wasn't willing to even tag him and allocate that much.

I wonder if the Cowboys have anything close to a real cap formula? It's a hard cap and takes a hard formula to stay true to in order not to find the team with too much to too few and having to cut back in too many areas.

That's been my only concern with the numbers thrown around for Lawrence, Prescott, Elliot and Cooper and soon to follow Byron Jones, Jaylon Smith and others.

There seems to be this feeling that they can sign everybody to what they want and still have enough to have good backups and if you've paid attention to NE, he's all about the 53, not the 22. He plans on injuries.

Think about this in just simple math. Lawrence gets 21M, Prescott 32M, Elliott 12M and Cooper 16M. On this year's cap of 188m, that is 43% of the cap. 4 players and only 57% of the cap left for 49 players and you know Jones and Smith are going to want close to top 5 money for their positions and deserver that, especially with what they're paying the others. That's what started PIT's problems, once that checkbook gets opened, they all want a piece.

Take a good look at that 2020 UFA list of Cowboys players before you start saying "pay the man".

I know this, a team that finds themselves in the position that it's about the pay before the player is in trouble.
 

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New England has been blesses that the QB position - in regards to the CAP - is near the bottom of the pay scale.
Yes. There are a few teams where the QB or QB's get peanuts. Lucky teams on their current QB's first contract. The Cowboys are in this boat or group.

If any other team had a QB like Brady they are paying him at least 10 million plus more of their CAP to him and him alone.

I'll reserve the anointing oil till after Brady retires and New England get's their next QB in place where they have to pay him market value.
 

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My Cap formula...hmm hmm...stay under the cap on short non longterm deals. Its really that simple. New England has made it look easy. History shows that signing guys to these humungous long deals wreck teams odds of staying viable very long.
 

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This is Bilichicks cap formula
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New England has been blesses that the QB position - in regards to the CAP - is near the bottom of the pay scale.
Yes. There are a few teams where the QB or QB's get peanuts. Lucky teams on their current QB's first contract. The Cowboys are in this boat or group.

If any other team had a QB like Brady they are paying him at least 10 million plus more of their CAP to him and him alone.

I'll reserve the anointing oil till after Brady retires and New England get's their next QB in place where they have to pay him market value.
I hear what you’re saying. But everyone who says Belichick is nothing without Brady should be reminded that Belichick’s Pats are 13-6 without Brady, using 3 different backup QBs including Matt Cassel. When Brady retires the pats will lose probably the best ever, but unlike most NFL coaches Belichick somehow finds ways to win with people like Cassel and Jacoby Brissett.
 

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I hear what you’re saying. But everyone who says Belichick is nothing without Brady should be reminded that Belichick’s Pats are 13-6 without Brady, using 3 different backup QBs including Matt Cassel. When Brady retires the pats will lose probably the best ever, but unlike most NFL coaches Belichick somehow finds ways to win with people like Cassel and Jacoby Brissett.

That’s a half-truth. The year before Brady fell into his lap, he was 5-11 with pro bowler Bledsoe. Before that, he was the Browns coach for 5 seasons and made the playoffs once.

He’s still the best in the game today. But he is not infallible. Tom Brady makes him infallible. It’s the combination that works. How many of his 13-6 were against hapless AFC east teams? 6 in 2008 alone, 2 more in 2016.

Put Belichick on the 2019 Giants and he still loses 10+ games.
 
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I hear what you’re saying. But everyone who says Belichick is nothing without Brady should be reminded that Belichick’s Pats are 13-6 without Brady, using 3 different backup QBs including Matt Cassel. When Brady retires the pats will lose probably the best ever, but unlike most NFL coaches Belichick somehow finds ways to win with people like Cassel and Jacoby Brissett.

Yeah it's Tom Brady that should be thanking him. This guy has made guys like Cassel, Garopollo, Brissette, and Mallett look like great QB's
 

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I hear what you’re saying. But everyone who says Belichick is nothing without Brady should be reminded that Belichick’s Pats are 13-6 without Brady, using 3 different backup QBs including Matt Cassel. When Brady retires the pats will lose probably the best ever, but unlike most NFL coaches Belichick somehow finds ways to win with people like Cassel and Jacoby Brissett.
Winning regular season games isn’t divisional playoffs, Championship games or Super Bowls.

Bills the premier defensive guru of this era. But we really don’t know what he’d be without Brady. Well, we actually do in Cleveland and when Brady was out.

If Casell and 11-5 non playoff Patriots are an example with a 2 time defending championship team with Brady then I’d be suspect if Bill would have more than 1 or 2 SB like most of the other teams this era assuming he had more than Casell.

Brady has enabled Bill to get cheap around Brady. Something most teams can’t do. We certainly couldn’t around Prescott.
 
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I think Byron is the odd man out. Yeah you need a lot of corners, but none of them need to be top notch (which he isn’t because he doesn’t take the ball away). The league favors WR so paying top money for a CB seems senseless to me they don’t let these guys play anymore.
 

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If he had to pay Brady what he is worth, things would be a bit different. Brady makes about $15 million per year.
 

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I've been thinking about this since I started really paying close attention to how Belichick does it in NE and I am convinced he has the formula that he doesn't share with many people and in it he has money or %'s assigned to each position category like DE's or he's mad scientist enough to have it down to DE 1, DE 2. he didn't even make an attempt to keep Flowers and wasn't willing to even tag him and allocate that much.

I wonder if the Cowboys have anything close to a real cap formula? It's a hard cap and takes a hard formula to stay true to in order not to find the team with too much to too few and having to cut back in too many areas.

That's been my only concern with the numbers thrown around for Lawrence, Prescott, Elliot and Cooper and soon to follow Byron Jones, Jaylon Smith and others.

There seems to be this feeling that they can sign everybody to what they want and still have enough to have good backups and if you've paid attention to NE, he's all about the 53, not the 22. He plans on injuries.

Think about this in just simple math. Lawrence gets 21M, Prescott 32M, Elliott 12M and Cooper 16M. On this year's cap of 188m, that is 43% of the cap. 4 players and only 57% of the cap left for 49 players and you know Jones and Smith are going to want close to top 5 money for their positions and deserver that, especially with what they're paying the others. That's what started PIT's problems, once that checkbook gets opened, they all want a piece.

Take a good look at that 2020 UFA list of Cowboys players before you start saying "pay the man".

I know this, a team that finds themselves in the position that it's about the pay before the player is in trouble.
Jerry has a dartboard in his office. That's his formula
 

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Look how great Landry was. Took 4 different QB’s to a championship game with some great teams but only 1QB won it all. Talent matters people. And probably why no HC has yet to duplicate that level with another team.
 

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That’s a half-truth. The year before Brady fell into his lap, he was 5-11 with pro bowler Bledsoe. Before that, he was the Browns coach for 5 seasons and made the playoffs once.

He’s still the best in the game today. But he is not infallible. Tom Brady makes him infallible. It’s the combination that works. How many of his 13-6 were against hapless AFC east teams? 6 in 2008 alone, 2 more in 2016.

Put Belichick on the 2019 Giants and he still loses 10+ games.

I'm not so sure about that.
If he ran the 2019 Giants and ran their draft - Easily 8 - 8.
 

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That’s a half-truth. The year before Brady fell into his lap, he was 5-11 with pro bowler Bledsoe. Before that, he was the Browns coach for 5 seasons and made the playoffs once.

He’s still the best in the game today. But he is not infallible. Tom Brady makes him infallible. It’s the combination that works. How many of his 13-6 were against hapless AFC east teams? 6 in 2008 alone, 2 more in 2016.

Put Belichick on the 2019 Giants and he still loses 10+ games.
You would be correct sir! Every year its the same thing. No matter how tough their schedule is it always has at least 6 games that are locks to win. Or at the very least on cruise control after half time.
 

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New England has been blesses that the QB position - in regards to the CAP - is near the bottom of the pay scale.
Yes. There are a few teams where the QB or QB's get peanuts. Lucky teams on their current QB's first contract. The Cowboys are in this boat or group.

If any other team had a QB like Brady they are paying him at least 10 million plus more of their CAP to him and him alone.

I'll reserve the anointing oil till after Brady retires and New England get's their next QB in place where they have to pay him market value.
Brady was 22 mil in 2018 and 27 mil this year in cap hits.
 

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imo, the cap has to be something that is managed without homerism or "family" in mind; in other words, don't treat the players like you owe them a retirement - there are special players that you take care of, but you can't shell it out all of the time...JJ seems to want to take care of his own instead of taking care of the long-term viability of the team - he is on the balance-beam all of the time with this (and even I am on the fence with that approach - do you want to see Sean Lee in another uniform? I don't, but then again.......)
 

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Take football players, make them players one. Let everybody else have the prima donnas. Big name leftover high-priced free agents. I'll take football players any day of the week. That's how you beat the salary cap. But it takes great coaching team work
 
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