Are you frustrated that Zeke is holding out or because he has 2 years remaining?

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It's a series of unfortunate events. I am frustrated because we need his skills but not his hi-jinks. The collective bargaining agreement is coming up, and maybe his agent wants to get him signed before then. I hate that the whole thing plays out in the media like a badly written play. The FO praises them and then plays hardball. It's either the best negotiating tactics in action or a hot mess. Just get it done. The regular season is going to seem like an afterthought.
 
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Idgit said:
It’s obviously tied to position because that’s the best approximation of what the player would get on the market if the team didn’t have exclusive rights. It would be stupid to tie it to draft position. As if players perform in their rookie deals relative to where they were picked in the draft.
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And yet:

"The base four-year contract is tied to draft slot not position."

That's not the best approximation of what the player would get if the team didn't have exclusive rights. It's strictly about draft slot. Inconsistency is a great way to generate conflict.
 
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IMO it makes sense the 5th year option should be based on the draft position as the starting point. But should also allow for teams to give additional money without a contract extension just in case they want the player to earn the additional years.

Unrelated but I think it would be great if the NFL provided additional cap like the NBA for retaining their own players.
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I would rather see bird rights than a rolling cap.

Keep a soft cap that would restrict you from signing FA's, outside of smaller deals and then have a true hard cap that you can go up to to re-sign draft picks or players that have been on your team for 3-4+ years.
Can tax it too, like the NBA.
 

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InTheZone said:
Because if it's really only the 2 year part that's getting to you maybe take a look at this. Better to understand a situation before lashing out:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ay-should-be-tied-to-draft-slot-not-position/

If this was his last year I doubt he gets all this attention, but as it stands he's taking a massive cut compared to his peers and market value (the term used around here to justify highest paid salaries for average players) when he enters his 5th year, a year he has no control over if he were to meet or exceed expectations, which he has.

Just saying...
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it’s compounded circumstances. It’s the two years remaining, the other deals needing more immediate attn and the fact he literally JUST had another off the field incident. Next year I’d expect it (and for an extension to either have already been done or be done easier). All of the above is tough to justify. The fifth yr option doesn’t move me either because he’ll get paid less than Cbs and des on his next deal as well
 
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John813 said:
I would rather see bird rights than a rolling cap.

Keep a soft cap that would restrict you from signing FA's, outside of smaller deals and then have a true hard cap that you can go up to to re-sign draft picks or players that have been on your team for 3-4+ years.
Can tax it too, like the NBA.
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The NFL needs to do something new here. They have re-created Shelley's Monster and it's time to tame the beast.
 
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it’s compounded circumstances. It’s the two years remaining, the other deals needing more immediate attn and the fact he literally JUST had another off the field incident. Next year I’d expect it (and for an extension to either have already been done or be done easier). All of the above is tough to justify. The fifth yr option doesn’t move me either because he’ll get paid less than Cbs and des on his next deal as well
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But you're ignoring market value as well since his fifth year would be considerably lower than what RBs are making this year and even lower for 2020.
 

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No I am not frustrated. While for the most part in life I feel that contracts should always be honored in the NFL it is different. It's a 2 way street. The NFL can break contracts and not finish the contract out simply by cutting a player. The owners are all the time breaking their word to the player.

I do feel bad for Jerry because he stood by Zeke.... so I think Jerry is letting this get a little more personal than normal.
 
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Frustrated and angry but it will all be worth if I don’t have to see him in a Cowboys uniform ever again...but I’m quite sure that will never happen. Unfortunately, next time he gets suspended we won’t get anything out of it like we would if we traded him.
 
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Not frustrated over the situation of his contract status, as there are 2 sides to it. I think he should honor the contract, but also can see why he wants a new one, as he deserves it too. And better to get it done now than to have a Bell type situation.

I think I am more frustrated as a fan, and the expectations of this season. Dfense was top 7, and will be better. Offense was improving since Cooper came to the team. Dak was improving because of that as well.
Linehan out, Moore in, though we need to see his play calling and adjustment ability. But looks to be on the up side.

So from a fan point of view and being selfish as we fans should be, I was looking forward to a great season, or it's potential. And feel without Zeke, that is in jeopardy. This SB window could be closed as it was open before TC and the holdout.

Unless Pollard is all that and gives some hope, but if not, it could be another frustrating season. I know it should not depend on a RB, but Zeke is a huge difference maker and everyone knows what this could mean. Fans, team, media.

So I am frustrated this may not happen. But not losing sleep over it at all. But they do have a few weeks to get it done.
 
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InTheZone said:
But you're ignoring market value as well since his fifth year would be considerably lower than what RBs are making this year and even lower for 2020.
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You are ignoring the pro-rotated signing bonus that he already received as part of his 4th and 5th year salaries.

For example, if you pay a player $25 million signing bonus and $5 million per year for 5 years, that's a $10m/year salary. Not a $30 million year one salary and $5 million for years 2 through 5.

If you agree to cut 5 lawns cutting one per day for $100 each and the HOA pays you $300 up front, that does not mean that you got paid $300 for cutting one lawn after one day and only $50 per lawn per day after that.
 
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Not frustrated over the situation of his contract status, as there are 2 sides to it. I think he should honor the contract, but also can see why he wants a new one, as he deserves it too. And better to get it done now than to have a Bell type situation.

I think I am more frustrated as a fan, and the expectations of this season. Dfense was top 7, and will be better. Offense was improving since Cooper came to the team. Dak was improving because of that as well.
Linehan out, Moore in, though we need to see his play calling and adjustment ability. But looks to be on the up side.

So from a fan point of view and being selfish as we fans should be, I was looking forward to a great season, or it's potential. And feel without Zeke, that is in jeopardy. This SB window could be closed as it was open before TC and the holdout.

Unless Pollard is all that and gives some hope, but if not, it could be another frustrating season. I know it should not depend on a RB, but Zeke is a huge difference maker and everyone knows what this could mean. Fans, team, media.

So I am frustrated this may not happen. But not losing sleep over it at all. But they do have a few weeks to get it done.
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You feel a RB being out closes our window? What the heck does that say about all other positions? Just curious.
 
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InTheZone said:
but as it stands he's taking a massive cut compared to his peers and market value
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from the article "For first-round picks, a fifth-year option is available. The formula is tied to position, with players in the top 10 getting a more favorable calculation.
But why should it be tied to the position a player plays? The base four-year contract is tied to draft slot not position. Basing the fifth-year option on the position the player plays will, for some positions, result in the player making less."


he's not taking a massive cut based on being a rb and being on a rookie contract. his cap hit this year is 8m and for next year he will make 9m and will be the 4th highest paid rb based on his option year. him being compared to buckner's 5th year option means nothing to me. you get paid by your position, not your nfl top 100 rank. if the option on buckner or hargraves is too much based on their production on their rookie contract, it won't be picked up by the team.

this article is deflecting and justifying. it is like saying dak shouldn't get paid more than zeke cause zeke is the better player and means more to the offense. it doesn't matter. zeke is a rb and qbs get paid more.
 
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InTheZone said:
Did you not read anything in the body or link?
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Yes, I read it and doesn't change anything. Like PA Cowboy said in post right after this original post of yours, Jerry would be working out an extension much like he is the other players with only one year left.
I am not holding my breath for Zeke and his childish attitude anymore to come back. Ready to move on from him if need be at this point.
 
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InTheZone said:
You feel a RB being out closes our window? What the heck does that say about all other positions? Just curious.
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I also said a RB alone should not depend on it, or did you selectively miss that part?
But Zeke makes this offense goes, and until Dak shows he really can carry the team. For which he did against the Giants last year without Zeke in a meaningless game.
but until he shows that on a consistent basis. Then yes that window may be closed or in the "process" of being closed. Until proven otherwise.
 
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I'm choosing to focus on the positives. Watching Pollard run...and hearing the kid interviewed...that's a huge positive.
 
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I don’t begrudge Zeke. Or hold it against him. It’s a business decision.


The situation overall frustrates me. Simply from the standpoint of. I want all the players practicing and preparing so that the team can win as many games
As possible.

Now I suspect Zeke is staying in shape and will be ready by week 1. If the contract situation gets handled. So I’m still hopeful. He doesn’t miss any games.

But the division and the conference are going to be a dogfight this year. We can’t afford to drop any games due to an avoidable contract dispute.

The first two games are divisional match ups. They are incredibly important games. And even though the cowboys on paper are the better team and should win both games, it’s the nfl. Anything can happen. So I want Zeke on the field to maximize the probability of winning those games.
 
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