Gadget RB thing was again nowhere to be found

Loso86 said:

Yea true I'll trust Moore a little bit on that now

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I agree.

AbeBeta said:

Why would we push gadget plays when we were destroying the Giants with our passing game?

Those of y'all who gonna post about how we'll suck once teams have tape on our offense, bookmark this.

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This was not about Gadget plays.

Will see some different plays this week. Looks like Moore may actually make game plans.

Hennessy_King said:

Not true they tried to send out the FB for a deep ball. lol

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When I saw that play I couldn’t help but wonder what happen if that was weber or Austin instead of the fullback

Vinnie2u said:

We only have so many balls to play with.

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Footballs. FOOOOOOTBALLS. "We only have so many footballs to play with." This is a family friendly site after all.

I feel like the Giants game was the first Cowboys game in years without a jet sweep.

DCreppinBoysfan said:

When I saw that play I couldn’t help but wonder what happen if that was weber or Austin instead of the fullback

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I did not. The play was well-scripted. The linebacker had excellent coverage on Olawale. Only a deeper pass thrown close to the sideline away from the linebacker would have given Olawale an even chance to catch the ball.

Hopefully, no one's eyes and fingers involuntarily started twitching when they read the previous sentence. All quarterbacks throw poor passes sometimes. Specifying a poor pass does not negate Prescott's very good overall passing day in any way, shape, or form.

Some of y’all are weird

DallasEast said:

I did not. The play was well-scripted. The linebacker had excellent coverage on Olawale. Only a deeper pass thrown close to the sideline away from the linebacker would have given Olawale an even chance to catch the ball.

Hopefully, no one's eyes and fingers involuntarily started twitching when they read the previous sentence. All quarterbacks throw poor passes sometimes. Specifying a poor pass does not negate Prescott's very good overall passing day in any way, shape, or form.

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My point is Weber or Austin would’ve gotten much separation from the linebacker versus our thick fullback.

DCreppinBoysfan said:

My point is Weber or Austin would’ve gotten much separation from the linebacker versus our thick fullback.

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Noted. However, what would greater separation result in if the pass was still thrown exactly the same?

dargonking999 said:

Honestly if the FB just leaps toward the defender it's pass interference. I think Dak saw the LB with his head turned around and running in full panic mode and just tossed it up there hoping for a PI.

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good point.
I was wondering why a PI flag wasn't thrown, because you could tell the LB was obviously face guarding and waving his arms to distract Olawele because he was beaten so badly, but Olawele, made very little attempt to extend and engage in the catch.
and Olawele is a damn good athlete with legit. 4.5 speed I've read. He's really more of a big RB than he is a physical FB.

DCreppinBoysfan said:

My point is Weber or Austin would’ve gotten much separation from the linebacker versus our thick fullback.

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Did you mean Pollard instead of Weber? In any case, those guys also would also be less likely to have the element of surprise with them. That was likely part of the reason for using Olawale.

OmerV said:

Did you mean Pollard instead of Weber? In any case, those guys also would also be less likely to have the element of surprise with them. That was likely part of the reason for using Olawale.

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Nah I meant Weber, I know he’s not in the team but from all account it seemed to be perceived that he had the best hand of all our halfbacks

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Of course, until a week ago Pollard was working on being the lead back rather than the change of pace/gadget back. He will probably be worked into other opportunities over time. I still have a hard time figuring out how though, because Zeke isn't going to come out of the game very often, and I doubt Cooper, Gallup or Cobb will lose snaps many snaps to Pollard … I think it will just be an occasional thing even if it does happen.

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Zeke is on an 8 year contract. They will want to limit his carries to some extent.

xwalker said:

Zeke is on an 8 year contract. They will want to limit his carries to some extent.

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I agree, but even when Pollard is in the game we won't run a gadget play every time. Often Pollard will still just take a hand off or run a screen or swing pattern the same way Zeke would have had he been in the game. I think some fans get the idea that all sorts of unusual and creative uses of someone like Pollard might be common in a Kellen Moore offense, and although I think Moore will find some creative ways to use Pollard, I think that will still be no more than the occasional twist and not a common element.

DCreppinBoysfan said:

When I saw that play I couldn’t help but wonder what happen if that was weber or Austin instead of the fullback

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A LB would not be in man coverage on Tavon Austin.

If the Cowboys could get man coverage by a LB on Tavon Austin they would run that play 100% of the snaps.

The Giants had 3 LBs in the game against the 2 RB, 1 TE, 2 WR set.

If they pull the FB Olawale out and put in Austin, then the Giants would replace at LB with a DB.

The deep pass attempt to the FB is used to setup other plays. Moore wants the defense to respect defending the FB on pass patterns.

CowboyRoy said:

Based on how much they talked about it, I was expecting more from Pollard then a handful of carries up the middle in mop up duty.

But we have heard it before. Im hoping that Moore just decided to not play that hand yet.

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So you knew the answer all along?

Or, you didn't know you knew?

Maxmadden said:

So you knew the answer all along?

Or, you didn't know you knew?

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I’m hoping that’s the answer.

OmerV said:

I agree, but even when Pollard is in the game we won't run a gadget play every time. Often Pollard will still just take a hand off or run a screen or swing pattern the same way Zeke would have had he been in the game. I think some fans get the idea that all sorts of unusual and creative uses of someone like Pollard might be common in a Kellen Moore offense, and although I think Moore will find some creative ways to use Pollard, I think that will still be no more than the occasional twist and not a common element.

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It's a similar concept to the Rams in that they didn't run a crazy radical offense like Chip Kelly or extreme spread concepts like some colleges use.

The Rams focused on the details of play design and blocking. The only things immediately obvious to many fans/media was their extensive use of the 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB sets and their extensive usage of pre-snap motion; however, their success was really in the less obvious details.

The Rams used reverses and those types of things to manipulate defenses from a positioning perspective.

They might use motion or a fake reverse just to get a LB to more a couple of yards to the outside when they were going to run inside.

Run plays are often dead before the snap because defenders (most often LBs) don't align in a way that matches up with the design of the blocking on that play.

There was a play in the Giants game where the LB Connelly shot through untouched to tackle Pollard for a loss.
- The play was designed for Su'a-Filo to block that LB on the 2nd level but the LBs positioning made that impossible.
- If the Cowboys could have done something to get that LB to align just 1 yard to the left then the play would have worked.

zeke had one practice after missing all of training camp. part of showcasing pollards skills, particularly his pass receiving, is predicated on both he and zeke being on the field at the same time. it will happen. there was no need last sunday. I think it will be the eagles that get the full repertoire of our offense first.