Most damning stat of Garrett

Diehardblues · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...d-vs-top-teams-jerry-jones-top-coach-comment/

14 out of 23 coaches. Below average. Not that average is good enough.

I’m actually pleased with that. I thought it might be lower. I’d be curious what some of our other HC’s were this generation ?

It’s really unfair to compare Garrett to the greater HC’s of this era. They all actually have more control.

The bottom line is the Cowboys are limited to the type of HC’s we’ll pursue or attract. It’s simply not a strength Jerry’s going to attract or allow with his Mgmt and Meddling ways. Not to mention his pursuit to prove he can win without a more proven HC.

It is what it is. And why we must go with Plan B, Which is how do we win without an Elite GM, HC and staff?

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2019

cern said:
I agree. there seems little sense in arguing who is the worst coach. I am only concerned with the best.

To me, anyone that is average or worse is in need of replacing. That's the job of an GM or HC when analyzing your team.

Where can we improve and get better.

Nothing to do with "you cant have all pros at every position" or "Garrett is the best puppet we can hope for" nonsense.

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I’m actually pleased with that. I thought it might be lower. I’d be curious what some of our other HC’s were this generation ?

It’s really unfair to compare Garrett to the greater HC’s of this era. They all actually have more control.

The bottom line is the Cowboys are limited to the type of HC’s we’ll pursue or attract. It’s simply not a strength Jerry’s going to attract or allow with his Mgmt and Meddling ways. Not to mention his pursuit to prove he can win without a more proven HC.

It is what it is. And why we must go with Plan B, Which is how do we win without an Elite GM, HC and staff?

This theory of yours has been well documented.

Diehardblues · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
How is "there are worse head coaches" a reason to defend Garrett? The guy should be fired and isn't a good HC. End of story.

That’s fine but it doesn’t necessarily resolve our issues. It simply passes it on to the next puppet.

Diehardblues · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
This theory of yours has been well documented.

And unfortunately not disproven for almost 25 years.

The only proven solution with a puppet is when our talent overcame in 1995. And he cost us another in 1994.

If we’re counting on elite coaching to be the difference , we’re basically screwed with Jerry.

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2019

Diehardblues said:
That’s fine but it doesn’t necessarily resolve our issues. It simply passes it on to the next puppet.

Jimmy and Garrett were not puppets. So your theory is simply false.

G2 · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...d-vs-top-teams-jerry-jones-top-coach-comment/

14 out of 23 coaches. Below average. Not that average is good enough.

I don't find it a very accurate comparison when a bunch of those coaches haven't come close to coaching as many years.
I'm not really defending JG, just saying that it doesn't seem like an accurate point.

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2019

Diehardblues said:
And unfortunately not disproven for almost 25 years

You actually don't have a theory, you just think you do.

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2019

Streetwise said:
I don't find it a very accurate comparison when a bunch of those coaches haven't come close to coaching as many years.
I'm not really defending JG, just saying that it doesn't seem like an accurate point.

NO system is perfect. But this one seem to be fairly accurate. Puts Garrett at about where he should be and coaches above him are better. Belli #1.

Diehardblues · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
NO system is perfect. But this one seem to be fairly accurate. Puts Garrett at about where he should be and coaches above him are better. Belli #1.

And which of those better coaches do you think will come here with Jerry? Lol

Diehardblues · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
You actually don't have a theory, you just think you do.

What’s your theory into why we have puppet HC’s and realistic solutions within the parameters Jerry’s ways will allow ?

Shane612 · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
I think this is the stat that defines exactly what Garrett is...............Nothing great.

In a league of parody, and with plenty of talent on the roster since Garrett has been here, his record against winning teams stands out.

25-43 36%

One thing to beat losing teams when you have more talent. But to beat the better teams with equal or better talent, coaching has to play a part. Either willing your team to a win or preparing them with scheme and unpredictability that will give them the edge

This is EXACTLY what Garrett doesn't provide.

I agree.
A coach can't get on the field and play, but a good coach, who is respected by the players, will create chemistry, drive and unity. And out of that a natural leader(s) will emerge.

Dodger12 · Oct 19, 2019

blueblood70 said:
I think Dak and Garett are both Average and do not suck in the slightest BUDDY..

what they can achieve together is not yet written but both are winning a lot of games… the issues is playoff runs but given this is a 12016 rebuild its still in play..

Im not saying JG time is way overdue for being fired but while hes here, he is at least winning games and until hes not no amount of new coach threads or whining, crying, or wishful thinking will change that BUD..
it is what it is and your post is hollow without all teams and HC stats to go with it..its reality's.. you picked one with no true comps woth enough to make it a valid stat..

got IT BUD?

You're talking out of both sides buddy. He's average...he's winning a lot......he's overdue to be fired.....his book hasn't been written.......

And stats be damned, he's been around long enough to accomplish something meaningful and he offers absolutely nothing, zilch, zero on gameday. No coaching advantage whatsoever. It's kind of surprising you're that old and accept being average, at best.

And why are you so sensitive?

CowboyRoy · Oct 19, 2019

Diehardblues said:
What’s your theory into why we have puppet HC’s and realistic solutions within the parameters Jerry’s ways will allow ?

No sense in talking to you about it is there?

Diehardblues · Oct 19, 2019

It doesn’t take much evaluation to see our coaching isn’t a strength and one Jerry doesn’t appear to make a priority.

What’s your Plan B to overcome Jerry’s handicap he’s bestowed on our franchise?

Diehardblues · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
No sense in talking to you about it is there?

That tells me you don’t have an answer beyond continuing to fire every puppet .

At some point we need a Plan B.

G2 · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
NO system is perfect. But this one seem to be fairly accurate. Puts Garrett at about where he should be and coaches above him are better. Belli #1.

Sorry, it's unrealistic to compare a coach that has coached for 10 years to one's that have only a couple. It makes no sense.

ColoradoCowboy · Oct 19, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
I think this is the stat that defines exactly what Garrett is...............Nothing great.

In a league of parody, and with plenty of talent on the roster since Garrett has been here, his record against winning teams stands out.

25-43 36%

One thing to beat losing teams when you have more talent. But to beat the better teams with equal or better talent, coaching has to play a part. Either willing your team to a win or preparing them with scheme and unpredictability that will give them the edge

This is EXACTLY what Garrett doesn't provide.

Correction 2: Electric Boogaloo

parity
Come to think of it, with the officiating the way that it has been; you aren't wrong.

Captain43Crash · Oct 19, 2019

Streetwise said:
The real question is how this compares to other coaches with at least a similar tenure.

Not really. A good coach with equal talent should win at least 50% of their games vs teams with winning records. Garrett, not surprisingly, is way below 50% when coaching against winning teams.

blueblood70 · Oct 19, 2019

Dodger12 said:
You're talking out of both sides buddy. He's average...he's winning a lot......he's overdue to be fired.....his book hasn't been written.......

And stats be damned, he's been around long enough to accomplish something meaningful and he offers absolutely nothing, zilch, zero on gameday. No coaching advantage whatsoever. It's kind of surprising you're that old and accept being average, at best.

And why are you so sensitive?

Regular season vs deep playoff success yes its the way it sounds hes been average to above avg as an actual regular season coach BUT deep playoff runs, below avg..

its has yet to be written with this newly assembled team, hes may have been around 10yrs as a HC but this team was turned over with a new Rookie QB/RB and nearly all new players at most positions, therefor this ride with this TEAM has yet to come to full fruition IMO..

Yet in total over his entire Tenure yes its about run its course..so from where i sit after 2015 should have been it but now that this new team has juts got started and been to the playoffs 2 our of 3 years 2 division wins and you judge it from 2016 until now, I feel the arrows up regardless of Garrett..

so we have to let this season play out, meaning where he ends is whether he stays or goes, ie NFCCG appearance may save him, anything less then that I am all for a axe..

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