We bought into the hype

irishline said:

I can root and support the Cowboys while at the same time understand realistically where the team is. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. I would know, as most of the others here, because I have been doing it for more than two decades now.

At this point I'd rather be surprised instead of let down. The hype that we ares not mean I cheer for or support them any less than I did when they were winning Superbowls.

Hype is just hype and at this point it has been so hyped for decades that it's just overhyped nonsense really. Show it or shut up about it.

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For me I still believe..

I'm still buying the roster hype. I think this Is a really good team that should be a lot better than 6-6. For that reason Jason Garrett needs to go. Tired of the vanilla schemes on both offense and defense

Noclaf said:

Again this fan base bought into the hype from everyone. I think we forgot how bad this team was last year until Copper showed up. It's clear now that this team is no where near as talented as the hype machine said they were. Very average roster, and some really bad spots that this team has never tired to fix

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Truth. After 3 games we witnessed some of the most fantasyland threads created in this forum we have ever seen. We beat up on 3 atrocious bottom feeder teams and started saying certain players were the GOAT and Elite and other such nonsense

To make matters worse the media was more than complicit in perpetuating this myth, as a matter of fact Will Cain and Skip Bayless are still not facing reality during the “ Emperor’s Disrobing”.

Be it talent or coaching or a combination of both, the final product is just not ready for Primetime

I know some of the self hating fans want to now pretend the roster isnt very talented. Its the depressed emotional over reaction. The grown *** man version of stomping your feet and holding your breath.


What people should have learned in the most talented roster in the league won't win a thing without the proper leadership, motivation and effort.

Part of our problem is we are the Dallas Cowboys. With that comes instant celebrity. Instantly everywhere you go everyone tells you how great you are. Without a coach like Parcells, Jimmy J, Harbaugh, Bilechek type players start to believe it will be enough to help them win.

superonyx said:

I know some of the self hating fans want to now pretend the roster isnt very talented. Its the depressed emotional over reaction. The grown *** man version of stomping your feet and holding your breath.


What people should have learned in the most talented roster in the league won't win a thing without the proper leadership, motivation and effort.

Part of our problem is we are the Dallas Cowboys. With that comes instant celebrity. Instantly everywhere you go everyone tells you how great you are. Without a coach like Parcells, Jimmy J, Harbaugh, Bilechek type players start to believe it will be enough to help them win.

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There are a lot of talented players on this team. The problem is where we don't have talent. Safety, DT, and ST.

Noclaf said:

Again this fan base bought into the hype from everyone. I think we forgot how bad this team was last year until Copper showed up. It's clear now that this team is no where near as talented as the hype machine said they were. Very average roster, and some really bad spots that this team has never tired to fix

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3-0 start didn’t hurt the perception

Runwildboys said:

There are a lot of talented players on this team. The problem is where we don't have talent. Safety, DT, and ST.

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Take a look at the Bills roster and lets compare who has more talent holes.

Only a poorly coached team needs all pro players in every position to win.

The roster we have today is a superbowl roster with the right coaching and leadership.

Take a deep look around the league and you will find that everyone has holes in talent.

thunderpimp91 said:

I'm still buying the roster hype. I think this Is a really good team that should be a lot better than 6-6. For that reason Jason Garrett needs to go. Tired of the vanilla schemes on both offense and defense

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Garrett has run his course.

I think the roster is definitely overrated too though. Tons of money shelled out in the offseason with production not matching the $. The next HC will inherit that and the huge contracts Dak and Amari are about to get. Team is not in good shape.

There is a fundamental philosophical problem with being a run first, run heavy offense but a bend but don’t break defense. Bend but don’t break allows other teams to move the ball, control clock, and constantly flip field position even if you stiffen in the red zone. This requires the offense to be highly disciplined and efficient if determined to run the ball once or twice after each first down. Get stuffed on a second down run or get a penalty, and suddenly you’re trying to play catch up while insistent on running the ball.

A bend but don’t break defense that doesn’t gamble on big plays or get turnovers means the offense is almost always trying to score on 70 yard drives or more. It means even when we pin a team inside their 10, they are just as likely to get 2-3 first downs and punt us inside our 30 or 20. If you have an offense like GB or KC that is heavily based on passing and scores a lot, then bend but don’t break makes sense.

We have invested in an offense that should be paired with a high pressure, gambling defense that may give up some quick scores but also gets more 3 and outs, more turnovers, and gives our offense a short field 2-3 times per game.

superonyx said:

Take a look at the Bills roster and lets compare who has more talent holes.

Only a poorly coached team needs all pro players in every position to win.

The roster we have today is a superbowl roster with the right coaching and leadership.

Take a deep look around the league and you will find that everyone has holes in talent.

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No one can coach our defensive personnel to a SB. It’s time for a new direction, but this team won’t go anywhere until it finds better safeties, better DT’s, and top 10 TE. We are not average at these positions. It’s why we struggle on 3rd down and in the red zone on offense and why our defense is so poor. Our DTs, S’s, and TE’s are among the worst in the NFL.

superonyx said:

Take a look at the Bills roster and lets compare who has more talent holes.

Only a poorly coached team needs all pro players in every position to win.

The roster we have today is a superbowl roster with the right coaching and leadership.

Take a deep look around the league and you will find that everyone has holes in talent.

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I realize that, but we're short at some of the more vulnerable places.

Without a push up the middle, it's very hard to pressure the QB or stuff the run.
Without good safeties, we're vulnerable to pretty much everything.
Without at least respectable ST, we lose the field position battle every damn time.

Noclaf said:

Again this fan base bought into the hype from everyone. I think we forgot how bad this team was last year until Copper showed up. It's clear now that this team is no where near as talented as the hype machine said they were. Very average roster, and some really bad spots that this team has never tired to fix

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True. We got snookered...

tcc0808 said:

Garrett has run his course.

I think the roster is definitely overrated too though. Tons of money shelled out in the offseason with production not matching the $. The next HC will inherit that and the huge contracts Dak and Amari are about to get. Team is not in good shape.

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Obvious holes at S, DT, and to a lesser extent TE. aside from that I dont see a single position where I'd say the cowboys are below average talent wise.

I almost feel like this team is the Jeff Fisher led Rams. I remember back to how bad some of those players were, gurley include . The year mcvay gets there they are instant super bowl contenders. Coaching matters.

This team is talented their just compromised. Frederick isn't the same, probably not all the back. Zack Martin is compromised with the back. The holes on the back end of the defense and the regression at LB hurt the defense as a whole.

thunderpimp91 said:

Obvious holes at S, DT, and to a lesser extent TE. aside from that I dont see a single position where I'd say the cowboys are below average talent wise.

I almost feel like this team is the Jeff Fisher led Rams. I remember back to how bad some of those players were, gurley include . The year mcvay gets there they are instant super bowl contenders. Coaching matters.

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Don’t disagree that coaching matters. McVay with all the talent in the world this year, not doing so well either.

I do think Garrett is a problem and a big one. I also think the underperformers on the team will get a bit of a free pass by having all the blame on the HC.

CowboysFever1973 said:

4 games to go.

Why is everybody giving up? Shouldnt we support our Cowboys until we are mathematically eliminated?

Just get in.

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Just get in? What a loser mentality. Sorry guy, the NFL is not the NHL or MLB. Just getting in won't cut it. Besides some years here and there, you are not going anywhere unless you are one of the top seeds.

Noclaf said:

Again this fan base bought into the hype from everyone. I think we forgot how bad this team was last year until Copper showed up. It's clear now that this team is no where near as talented as the hype machine said they were. Very average roster, and some really bad spots that this team has never tired to fix

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Noclaf said:

Again this fan base bought into the hype from everyone. I think we forgot how bad this team was last year until Copper showed up. It's clear now that this team is no where near as talented as the hype machine said they were. Very average roster, and some really bad spots that this team has never tired to fix

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That’s every single year for last quarter century. It’s what makes Jerry the most brilliant businessman ever.

Blackspider214 said:

Just get in? What a loser mentality. Sorry guy, the NFL is not the NHL or MLB. Just getting in won't cut it. Besides some years here and there, you are not going anywhere unless you are one of the top seeds.

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And you're saying he has the loser mentality? What he has is optimism.........maybe misplaced, but there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you're not a gambler.

Consider me guilty, I really thought this team had good players sprinkled all over