Image: Jourdan Lewis's right foot was on the goal line, ref blew it

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Blackthorn said:
@xwalker 06:09 / 00:40:14 of the condensed version
SMH,
The spot was bad on the interception. Jourdan Lewis's right foot was on the goal line (touchback). I was shocked that no one mentioned this. I was going nuts. The ball should have been on the 20. I am not making excuses, however this may have changed the complexity of the game. The team would have been more aggressive with the play calling which possible led to another TD.

The defensive captains, Coach Kris, Rod, Garrett should have went nuts on the terrible spot.
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You should be respectful some time, no need to be a buttclown

Just as on a punt, if the defender foot touches the goal line it is a touchback. I reffed for over a decade, this is discussed in high school league ref meetings.

He should have argued with the ref about the spot when the ref told him they had won the challenge. This would have been a great time . He should have blew his lid, if he received a 15 yarder flag, it would have been one inch.
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From the rulebook:

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/
From the Rulebook:
The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line.

So, it's true it's not where the ball is. Which seems odd to me, but there it is.

But I would have thought it was the *second* foot that established possession, and that was the toe tap on the 1 yard line ( or so ).

But then again, with all the going to the ground garbage, you could say he only "established possession" rolling out of bounds.


SECTION 5 SAFETY
ARTICLE 1. SAFETY. It is a Safety:
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Exceptions:
It is not a safety:
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(2) If a defensive player, in the field of play, intercepts a pass or catches or recovers a fumble, backward pass, scrimmage kick, free kick, or fair catch kick, and his original momentum carries him into his end zone where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line. (11-6-1)
 
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rocyaice said:
What the hell is lame blaming? I don’t care about missed face masks. Like I said both teams benefited from the refs. Bears didn’t get called for one holding penalty. At this point I don’t even care about the refs either.
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Cool but overall threads like this are useless. They were driving for a score on our side of the field..to go up 24..when the refs called a phantom block in the back on them while missing two blatant face masks on the same play. 15 yard variety ones. They punted and we scored to get within 10. They missed two more face masks on other plays. It was talked about in the game threads how lucky we were getting....but of course a thread line this pops up. It’s lame to blame refs. As for one of your other posts...the better team did win. They not only won, they made us look silly. That’s what a “team” does together
 
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buybuydandavis said:
From the rulebook:

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/
From the Rulebook:
The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line.

So, it's true it's not where the ball is. Which seems odd to me, but there it is.

But I would have thought it was the *second* foot that established possession, and that was the toe tap on the 1 yard line ( or so ).

But then again, with all the going to the ground garbage, you could say he only "established possession" rolling out of bounds.


SECTION 5 SAFETY
ARTICLE 1. SAFETY. It is a Safety:
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Exceptions:
It is not a safety:
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(2) If a defensive player, in the field of play, intercepts a pass or catches or recovers a fumble, backward pass, scrimmage kick, free kick, or fair catch kick, and his original momentum carries him into his end zone where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line. (11-6-1)
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The player momentum never carried him into the end zone where the ball would have passed the plane of the goal line going into the the end zone. This rule is in place to establish if it is a safety or not. In this case the ball never crossed the goal line so never bringing into question this rule. Momentum and control was established and the ball NEVER crossed the goal line.
 
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rocyaice said:
Ok why do you guys keep saying this? Just because you are better than the Cowboys doesn’t mean you are good lol.
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And I said that. Well, technically I said they aren't "great", but my point was going back to you saying we should've beaten them and the Bears. The fact is, we're worse than both of those teams. We should be better....we should be much better...but we're not. This team makes such stupid mistakes at such stupid times, it's like Vince McMahon wrote the script.
 
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AbeBeta said:
And Garrett is incompetent in this how?

He threw the challenge flag. He doesn't get to tell the refs where the spot was.
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LOL, just stop it

yes, he can tell them what happened and to change the spot

the ongoing blind defense of this moron is just idiotic but this post is a great example
 
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buybuydandavis said:
From the rulebook:

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/
From the Rulebook:
The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line.

So, it's true it's not where the ball is. Which seems odd to me, but there it is.

But I would have thought it was the *second* foot that established possession, and that was the toe tap on the 1 yard line ( or so ).

But then again, with all the going to the ground garbage, you could say he only "established possession" rolling out of bounds.


SECTION 5 SAFETY
ARTICLE 1. SAFETY. It is a Safety:
...
Exceptions:
It is not a safety:
...
(2) If a defensive player, in the field of play, intercepts a pass or catches or recovers a fumble, backward pass, scrimmage kick, free kick, or fair catch kick, and his original momentum carries him into his end zone where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line. (11-6-1)
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I could maybe see a case being made, if Lewis had gone OB at the pylon, but he went OB at the one.
 
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Runwildboys said:
But he knew the officials were right. You can saddle JG with a multitude of mistakes, but this wasn't one of them.
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his right foot was on the goal line and left foot dragged. He didn’t take another step and step out at the 1 yard line

it was a touch back
 
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Streetwise said:
In the endzone the ball has to cross the goalline for it to be a touchback, not your foot. It did not. So the ball is marked where it went out of bounds.
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Everyone is confusing or comparing the “kickoff and punt return rules” and the “out of bounds rules” to the ball placement rules of a turnover.
 
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visionary said:
his right foot was on the goal line and left foot dragged. He didn’t take another step and step out at the 1 yard line

it was a touch back
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and his original momentum carries him into his end zone
It did not. It carried him OB at the one.
This rule seems to be unclearly written, but common sense tells me this should be treated the same as a kickoff, punt, or pass.
 
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Lol. People calling Garrett out in this thread are just exposing themselves. Folks don't know the rule but blame Garrett.

Heck, even if you had the rule part right, what's he gonna do? Get in the replay booth with them?
 
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I can't believe this is 6 pages but it is probably mostly because of posts like this that say "I can't believe that this thread is x pages". LOL Everyone knows it is where the ball is, not the foot. Geez.
 
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PhillyCowboysFan said:
Everyone is confusing or comparing the “kickoff and punt return rules” and the “out of bounds rules” to the ball placement rules of a turnover.
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The end-zone is a tricky thing, it's not the same as the sideline.

Had he had a foot in the end zone AND the ball crossed the plane before stepping out of bounds, I think there would be room for argument.
 
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Streetwise said:
The end-zone is a tricky thing, it's not the same as the sideline.

Had he had a foot in the end zone AND the ball crossed the plane before stepping out of bounds, I think there would be room for argument.
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Yes if the ball had crossed the plane of the goal it would have been a touchback.
 
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