Its obvious to me Garrett stays

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Garrett is not in position to try to negotiate dollar amounts for another HC position with us considering his track record as our head coach. Jerry wouldnt low ball him dollars or years on a new head coaching contract considering their close bond together. If he was going to fire him it would of already been done. If he was going to extend him i think it would of already been done. Its obvious with these "meetings" they are negotiating for him to stay but in a different position. Again, Jason has no leverage for a new contract to be our head coach. He would be lucky for Jerry to offer him any amount and years on a new HC contract and i think Jason knows that. So the whole " no solution has been made" that we keep hearing about cant be about another head coaching offer with us but in fact another position in my opinion
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As it’s been said ad nauseam here, Jerry does not have to fire him. All he has to do is let his contract lapse after January 14th and it’s done. I think emotionally that’s what Jerry will do. Jerry is letting his emotions drive this situation which is not good. But Jerry knows he will have a tough time selling Garrett back to the fan base. And even if Garrett starts winning early, he is what he his and you can almost guarantee he’ll disappoint you when it’s clutch time. Also the Giants and Commanders appear to be getting coaching upgrades, the Eagles have Pederson and will get better in the off-season, and it will get tougher to win games in the division. Jerry knows the door is closing and he cannot mess this up.

I bet it’s going down like this:

1. Jerry tells Garrett there need to be a coaching change but he wants to keep him in Dallas. Garrett gets offered a front office position and Jerry sells him on being a “VP of Player Personnel” or some role (think Larry Lacewell) where Garrett gets to still be involved in the day to day but not on the field. He throws a bunch of money on the position and gives Garrett time to think it over. Garrett really wants to coach, but Jerry sells him on he can make the same amount of money and not live in the office during the season planning games, dealing with training camp, dealing with press, etc.

2. If Garrett accepts the terms of the Front Office job, they have a cushy happy, palm slapping conference and introduce Garrett as the new Personnel man. Jerry starts his coaching search (which he probably has done anyway).

3. If Garrett still wants to coach, then Jerry allows Garrett to look for another coaching position over the next 10 to 14 days with Jerry’s blessing. Jerry would have to approve any interviews Garrett takes since he’s still under contract, but Jerry won’t hold him back. Then they still have a cushy, teary eyed, emotional conference where they announce that both parties mutually agreed to part ways. Garrett probably won’t head coach for another team next year, but there is enough movement that he latches on as an OC somewhere. Jerry starts his coaching search (again, he’s probably already started it).

The reality is Garrett’s won loss in Dallas is not bad. Garrett was 87-70 including the playoffs, which was slightly better than Ron Rivera. The problem here is this team needs a coach that can elevate them to the next level. Garretts great for stats, but he cant get it done where it matters in the Post-season. And Garrett’s lack of situational experience burns him in games when it matters (how many times has Garrett played the last game for NFCE and lost?) This team needs a coach with Gravitas that will get this pool of talent to the next level year in and year out.

Also when you think about it, Garrett could be a great Front Office person. He is responsible for a lot of the current roster (albeit the defense needs work). Garrett did a good job bringing in Offensive linemen. And Amari Cooper is a great quality receiver and has Garrett written all over it (notice we did not touch OBJ or Antonio Brown, something Jerry would have done in the past). I just don’t know if it makes sense to have the previous HC looking over personnel for the new HC. But we will see how it works out.

For the record, I am not a Garrett man at all. I hated the hire back in 2007. I hated it when he became head coach, and have documented it. It has ruined my Cowboy experience for the last 12 years (I seldom watch games anymore) because I knew this would happen. I’m just trying to spin this objectively.
 

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I'm so glad there's another Garrett speculation thread. :)
 
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holy crap.....people here driving themselves crazy....

There will be a new coaching staff in 2020, the mad rush to finalize a change is drama.
 
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bysbox1 said:
As it’s been said ad nauseam here, Jerry does not have to fire him. All he has to do is let his contract lapse after January 14th and it’s done. I think emotionally that’s what Jerry will do. Jerry is letting his emotions drive this situation which is not good. But Jerry knows he will have a tough time selling Garrett back to the fan base. And even if Garrett starts winning early, he is what he his and you can almost guarantee he’ll disappoint you when it’s clutch time. Also the Giants and Commanders appear to be getting coaching upgrades, the Eagles have Pederson and will get better in the off-season, and it will get tougher to win games in the division. Jerry knows the door is closing and he cannot mess this up.

I bet it’s going down like this:

1. Jerry tells Garrett there need to be a coaching change but he wants to keep him in Dallas. Garrett gets offered a front office position and Jerry sells him on being a “VP of Player Personnel” or some role (think Larry Lacewell) where Garrett gets to still be involved in the day to day but not on the field. He throws a bunch of money on the position and gives Garrett time to think it over. Garrett really wants to coach, but Jerry sells him on he can make the same amount of money and not live in the office during the season planning games, dealing with training camp, dealing with press, etc.

2. If Garrett accepts the terms of the Front Office job, they have a cushy happy, palm slapping conference and introduce Garrett as the new Personnel man. Jerry starts his coaching search (which he probably has done anyway).

3. If Garrett still wants to coach, then Jerry allows Garrett to look for another coaching position over the next 10 to 14 days with Jerry’s blessing. Jerry would have to approve any interviews Garrett takes since he’s still under contract, but Jerry won’t hold him back. Then they still have a cushy, teary eyed, emotional conference where they announce that both parties mutually agreed to part ways. Garrett probably won’t head coach for another team next year, but there is enough movement that he latches on as an OC somewhere. Jerry starts his coaching search (again, he’s probably already started it).

The reality is Garrett’s won loss in Dallas is not bad. Garrett was 87-70 including the playoffs, which was slightly better than Ron Rivera. The problem here is this team needs a coach that can elevate them to the next level. Garretts great for stats, but he cant get it done where it matters in the Post-season. And Garrett’s lack of situational experience burns him in games when it matters (how many times has Garrett played the last game for NFCE and lost?) This team needs a coach with Gravitas that will get this pool of talent to the next level year in and year out.

Also when you think about it, Garrett could be a great Front Office person. He is responsible for a lot of the current roster (albeit the defense needs work). Garrett did a good job bringing in Offensive linemen. And Amari Cooper is a great quality receiver and has Garrett written all over it (notice we did not touch OBJ or Antonio Brown, something Jerry would have done in the past). I just don’t know if it makes sense to have the previous HC looking over personnel for the new HC. But we will see how it works out.

For the record, I am not a Garrett man at all. I hated the hire back in 2007. I hated it when he became head coach, and have documented it. It has ruined my Cowboy experience for the last 12 years (I seldom watch games anymore) because I knew this would happen. I’m just trying to spin this objectively.
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I think you are likely correct. I can't see Jerry being able to sell him as the coach to any of us or even to the media for that matter. I think it's a front office position. The question is does Jason really want to coach. If it was just a situation where he is being let go it wouldn't take multiple meetings. They are talking about some role of some sort.
 
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I'm afraid fans would storm the stadium if you kept Garrett at this point

Hes gone dude
 
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Then why all of the meetings?
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I’ll give you two names: Tom Landry and Chan Gailey.

Jerry has always felt guilty about the way he let both of these coaches go. After he fired Chan Gailey, he openly said he would have handled that differently. Gailey was similar to Garrett: He had a winning record (18-14 in 2 seasons), but was one and done in the playoff and couldn't get the team over the hump.

He did worse after Gailey by bringing in Dave Campo, but at that point aside from Wade Phillips who had totally lost the team, Jerry started doing coaching changes differently. And since Garrett has been there for 12 years he doesn’t want to throw him out like the Monday morning 4-12, 6-10, 3-13 coaches.

Again, I am just trying to be objective. But I don’t see Garrett staying.
 
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bysbox1 said:
As it’s been said ad nauseam here, Jerry does not have to fire him. All he has to do is let his contract lapse after January 14th and it’s done. I think emotionally that’s what Jerry will do. Jerry is letting his emotions drive this situation which is not good. But Jerry knows he will have a tough time selling Garrett back to the fan base. And even if Garrett starts winning early, he is what he his and you can almost guarantee he’ll disappoint you when it’s clutch time. Also the Giants and Commanders appear to be getting coaching upgrades, the Eagles have Pederson and will get better in the off-season, and it will get tougher to win games in the division. Jerry knows the door is closing and he cannot mess this up.

I bet it’s going down like this:

1. Jerry tells Garrett there need to be a coaching change but he wants to keep him in Dallas. Garrett gets offered a front office position and Jerry sells him on being a “VP of Player Personnel” or some role (think Larry Lacewell) where Garrett gets to still be involved in the day to day but not on the field. He throws a bunch of money on the position and gives Garrett time to think it over. Garrett really wants to coach, but Jerry sells him on he can make the same amount of money and not live in the office during the season planning games, dealing with training camp, dealing with press, etc.

2. If Garrett accepts the terms of the Front Office job, they have a cushy happy, palm slapping conference and introduce Garrett as the new Personnel man. Jerry starts his coaching search (which he probably has done anyway).

3. If Garrett still wants to coach, then Jerry allows Garrett to look for another coaching position over the next 10 to 14 days with Jerry’s blessing. Jerry would have to approve any interviews Garrett takes since he’s still under contract, but Jerry won’t hold him back. Then they still have a cushy, teary eyed, emotional conference where they announce that both parties mutually agreed to part ways. Garrett probably won’t head coach for another team next year, but there is enough movement that he latches on as an OC somewhere. Jerry starts his coaching search (again, he’s probably already started it).

The reality is Garrett’s won loss in Dallas is not bad. Garrett was 87-70 including the playoffs, which was slightly better than Ron Rivera. The problem here is this team needs a coach that can elevate them to the next level. Garretts great for stats, but he cant get it done where it matters in the Post-season. And Garrett’s lack of situational experience burns him in games when it matters (how many times has Garrett played the last game for NFCE and lost?) This team needs a coach with Gravitas that will get this pool of talent to the next level year in and year out.

Also when you think about it, Garrett could be a great Front Office person. He is responsible for a lot of the current roster (albeit the defense needs work). Garrett did a good job bringing in Offensive linemen. And Amari Cooper is a great quality receiver and has Garrett written all over it (notice we did not touch OBJ or Antonio Brown, something Jerry would have done in the past). I just don’t know if it makes sense to have the previous HC looking over personnel for the new HC. But we will see how it works out.

For the record, I am not a Garrett man at all. I hated the hire back in 2007. I hated it when he became head coach, and have documented it. It has ruined my Cowboy experience for the last 12 years (I seldom watch games anymore) because I knew this would happen. I’m just trying to spin this objectively.
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Good post. Although I do think that most of the personnel is was brought in by Jerry especially the Oline. Im not quite sure also if Cooper had Garrett's writing all over it. I think Jerry also has something to do with that.

I could probably say that Zeke was heavily influenced by Garrett. But other than that not much at all.

I do think that he would make a great FO person too (and it sickens me to say it). What happened during the Parcells years was that he basically tore apart the Cowboys franchise and inserted hired guns from the Giants and New England. Luckly, there were times that Jerry overrode Parcells on bad decisions.

If Garrett was that FO person I believe it will keep that essence of the Cowboys tradition intact, improve the image of the Cowboys, while not having to worry about coaching or on-the-field issues at all.
 
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Rockport said:
LOL, it’s a character issue when you have more likes than posts at this forum. :muttley:
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Was it you that said yesterday or the day before that you don't post to get 'likes'? Me neither. I make ridiculous remarks fully intended to irritate certain people - to stir the pot, so to speak. It worked again I see....
 
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ShortRound131 said:
How much alcohol do you people drink?
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Not that much. Really........

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The Dallas Cowboys have been a bottom 5 team in terms of postseason success over the last 24 years. With the way Jerry runs this business, it’s pretty clear that ineptitude will continue.
 
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A senile sentimental Jerry doesn't give a crap about winning , he just doesn't want to let go of his pet .
 
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