Jimmy Johnson to this day could out-scheme any offense

atlantacowboy · Feb 2, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Not to side rail this thread, but you know Jimmy had already decided to leave before all that went down...right?

While its true Jimmy wanted to return to Florida at some point, there is absolutely no evidence that was going to happen in the middle of the super bowl runs. His deteriorating relationship with Jerry was the primary cause of his desire to leave when he did.

blueblood70 · Feb 2, 2020

GMO415 said:
Listen to our Coach. Even Belichick says Jimmy's secondary scheme could bewilder today's offense.

Jerry should be ashamed that he let this brain trust out his building.

so explain the dolphins , he didnt take them to one afccg? no division titles two playoff wins in 4 yrs, got spanked 62-7 and quit the next day.. brain for defense gave up 62 points in a playoff game..wow genius.. how about give Jerry credit for helping Jimmy and together here they built a team full of HOF and that kind of helped Jimmy succeed..

tired of hearing how Jerry blew this up, we all know the true story and it was mutual..Jimmy never stays long at his jobs much like parcells he gets bored and wears on players and team.. his way most likely wouldn't work in the new NFL..wheres he at ? why isnt he a GM or Coach? Ill tell you why he couldn't wait to get on his boat and retire..

I appreciate what Jimmy hled build and bring here but give it a rest on Jerry made the boggest mistake ever, it would have happened anyway, Switzer got us to the NFCCG in which payers making mistakes cost us that SB, and then a Sb the following year..not sure Jimmy would ahve done much better or stayed past that point..so not sure we were worse off given what we know and Jimmy would have retired or left anyway plus the players aged and slowed....

atlantacowboy · Feb 2, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
So what happened with him for the Dolphins? I forget if he had personnel control. He had an aging Marino. But his final game was a 63-7 or something like that loss to Jacksonville.

He did not have personnel control and was stuck with Marino. The owner would not let him trade Marino. The team quit on him in the end. But so what? No coach in NFL history has won super bowls with 2 different franchises. Even the great Belechek didn't look so hot in Cleveland.

This entire argument is a moot point anyway b/c the HOF has deemed him worthy based on what he did in Dallas alone. He is also 1 of only 3 coaches to win NCAA championship and a super bowl.

Flamma · Feb 2, 2020

Terry is going to put the gold jacket on Jimmy like a little ……...

I like it.

dwmyers · Feb 2, 2020

GMO415 said:
Listen to our Coach. Even Belichick says Jimmy's secondary scheme could bewilder today's offense.

Jerry should be ashamed that he let this brain trust out his building.

Jimmy's 1992 Playbook is on the Internet and the defensive side of that playbook is 20 pages long. Dick Nolan's playbook from the San Francisco 49ers is also on the Internet (i.e. the only other person to have coached the Flex defense outside of TL) and the defensive side exceeds 100 pages long.
Jimmy's teams played Cover 2 period. Jimmy's defenses emphasized speed to the point of attack, and back when players were bigger, he would use college linebackers at DE, college safeties at OLB. His only true LB type would
usually be the MLB.
Understand, the Miami 4-3 that Jimmy was a part of is now in the DNA of every 4-3 team in the league, because it's relatively easy to coach. That isn't because he had dozens of secondary adjustments, because he did not. But it was also new when he coached, and OCs were not used to it, unless they came from the college ranks.

atlantacowboy · Feb 2, 2020

Hardline said:
Jimmy was greatly assisted by the Hershal Walker trade.

Which he conceived and executed. Greatest trade in NFL history.

atlantacowboy · Feb 2, 2020

Bob-Lillys-War said:
Did Jerry sabotage Jimmy in Miami ?

Because, well, all i read is that it's all Jerry's fault . Everything is .

You should check your reading comprehension skills. What Jerry is responsible for is the mess that has been the Dallas Cowboys for the past 25 years. There is no defending Jerry as a GM. So, don't even try.

If you want to talk about Jimmy in Miami, learn something about it first.

atlantacowboy · Feb 2, 2020

Why do I feel like i'm having to defend the Dallas Cowboys legacy against a bunch of cowboy trolls? The ignorance and lack of respect for the man who built a team that won us 3 super bowls is unbelievable.

dwmyers · Feb 2, 2020

Anyway, the Wikipedia has an article (which I started and contributed a bunch to) on the Miami 4-3. It's referenced, and quotes Jimmy a bit. He was more interested in getting bodies to the
point of attack than in constructing an intricate defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_4–3_defense

That said, Belichick and Jimmy were close in the 90s. Belichick and Jimmy talked a lot, first when Belichick was a new head coach (Browns) and wanted some insight on the kinds of people to draft for a rebuild. Then
later, Jimmy tried to hire the Chick to be his DC down in Miami, after he was fired from the Browns.

The Ian O'Conner book on Belichick is a good reference for the things they are known to have talked about.

Ranching · Feb 2, 2020

GMO415 said:
Listen to our Coach. Even Belichick says Jimmy's secondary scheme could bewilder today's offense.

Jerry should be ashamed that he let this brain trust out his building.

Jimmy wanted out. Let it go.
I prefer to give Jerry credit for hiring Jimmy and bankrolling Jimmy's rosters. It was great while it lasted.

darthseinfeld · Feb 2, 2020

GMO415 said:
Listen to our Coach. Even Belichick says Jimmy's secondary scheme could bewilder today's offense.

Jerry should be ashamed that he let this brain trust out his building.

So Billicheck is Pro Wandstead and Butch Davis then?

Rockport · Feb 2, 2020

Ranching said:
Jimmy wanted out. Let it go.
I prefer to give Jerry credit for hiring Jimmy and bankrolling Jimmy's rosters. It was great while it lasted.

Hey Ranch, isn’t it entertaining to see our own fans crap on our former Cowboy Hall of Famer coach?

dfense · Feb 2, 2020

GMO415 said:
Listen to our Coach. Even Belichick says Jimmy's secondary scheme could bewilder today's offense.

Jerry should be ashamed that he let this brain trust out his building.

It's a nice thought, but once Jimmy lost Norv, Butch and Wanstead, he was done. Not having a #1 pick threesome like he had in the triplets made him just an above average coach. (in Miami) It was the combination of all that and an owner willing to spend money and work hand in hand with the coach that made it all come together.

Bob-Lillys-War · Feb 2, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
You should check your reading comprehension skills. What Jerry is responsible for is the mess that has been the Dallas Cowboys for the past 25 years. There is no defending Jerry as a GM. So, don't even try.

If you want to talk about Jimmy in Miami, learn something about it first.

So Jerrah is responsible for the worst only .

Gotcha ,... & Yes, you make a lot of sense.

Ranching · Feb 2, 2020

Rockport said:
Hey Ranch, isn’t it entertaining to see our own fans crap on our former Cowboy Hall of Famer coach?

Lol!! Almost as fun as them crapping on our HOF owner.

Bob-Lillys-War · Feb 2, 2020

The great Jimmy Johnson couldn't win a SB with a stacked Marino/Dolphins team .

Oh, that was "Jerry's fault" too ! I betcha ..

The ineptitude of some jimmy lovers is embarrassing .

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Feb 2, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
While its true Jimmy wanted to return to Florida at some point, there is absolutely no evidence that was going to happen in the middle of the super bowl runs. His deteriorating relationship with Jerry was the primary cause of his desire to leave when he did.

This! Jerrah speeded up the process for him.

Dodger12 · Feb 2, 2020

Bob-Lillys-War said:
Did Jerry sabotage Jimmy in Miami ?

Because, well, all i read is that it's all Jerry's fault . Everything is .

Who cares what he did in Miami. Do you care what Emmitt did in AZ? But it doesn't diminish what they accomplished here.

Ranching · Feb 2, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
While its true Jimmy wanted to return to Florida at some point, there is absolutely no evidence that was going to happen in the middle of the super bowl runs. His deteriorating relationship with Jerry was the primary cause of his desire to leave when he did.

The only evidence was that he said it. But, what does he know?

Dodger12 · Feb 2, 2020

Bob-Lillys-War said:
The great Jimmy Johnson couldn't win a SB with a stacked Marino/Dolphins team .

Oh, that was "Jerry's fault" too ! I betcha ..

The ineptitude of some jimmy lovers is embarrassing .

"Stacked?" Easy Spaulding, let's not get carried away. Don't believe everything grandpa tells you.

Jimmy Johnson to this day could out-scheme any offense

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