09' Last Year Of Salary Cap Says Upshaw

[TellerMorrow34]

Yeah I'd hate to see teams like them get out of their cap issues.

 

[CowboyWay]

Can we sign Asante Samuel this year...

2008 salary $12
2009 salary $15
2010 salary $100,000,000

Gauranteed.

Git er done Jerry.

Seriously though, I can see some teams trying to pull that type of contract. Problem is, if something happens and there IS a cap. God help you.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No doubt. If we got hit with a cap while he had numbers like that we'd be dead.

 

[Wolfpack]

Which means a Commanders Superbowl

Watch Joe" I can win against scrubs" Gibbs unretire.

 

[AbeBeta]

How nice that he immediately went to the "We'll strike" threat. Gotta love greed.

How nice that all people read into that is greed.

No legitimate union would work without a CBA in place. No CBA would mean no minimum salaries, no agreements on 100s of working condition issues, etc. No CBA means the owners can do what they want and say "suck it" to the players.

Some players would benefit by getting huge deals but by and large most players would be hurt -- and many would end up losing money.

 

[AbeBeta]

upshaw is a complete tool, I really truly dislike that guy

Is it Upshaw that plans to terminate the CBA? No.

 

[ilovejerry]

yippppiiiiiiiiii back too the old days of domination

 

[AbeBeta]

yippppiiiiiiiiii back too the old days of domination

Right.

Folks, if there is no CBA for 2010 then we aren't having a season. Plain and simple.

 

[Temo]

As an economist, I totally understand where the owners are coming with this. Owners with successful franchises who sell their stadium naming rights, build their brand, and cultivate various local revenues should be rewarded for their efforts. That is the essense of capitalism. Making the teams split that money is deterimental to basic capitalistic business fundamentals.

Take a guy like Daniel Snyder. Now, he didn't "build the Commanders brand", but the fact is that he managed to extract huge profits from various shrewd deals he's made since he took over as owner... revenues of the Washington Commanders have grown at a larger rate than the league's revenues by a large margin for the entire time he's been owner. It's not right that he should have to share the fruits of his labor with say the owner of the Cinncinnati Bengals, who despite have a solid fan base has also historically been notoriously cheap and unable to extract maximum revenue from his enterprise.

Anyway, I'm not saying the players don't have a right to this money, but I don't see how you can fairly distribute this money under a salary cap system. All that being said, however, the NFL and the player's union have much more creative people than I do, and I can't forsee the salary cap being abandoned after all this time... so I'd bet something will get done.

 

[CowboyJeff]

You mean the Cowboys will be able to pay any player what they want? Woooohooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Upshaw is to union heads as Dave Campo is to head coaching.

he sucks at his job and the fact the players still allow him to represent them is hilarious.

 

[CowboyJeff]

Upshaw is to union heads as Dave Campo is to head coaching.

he sucks at his job and the fact the players still allow him to represent them is hilarious.

Campo has 15 wins as a head coach. How many wins does Upshaw have as Union leader? I think you're being unfair to Campo by comparing him to Upshaw.

 

[DWhite Fan]

NFL Players Association director Gene Upshaw expects the owners to terminate the current Collective Bargaining Agreement in November 2008.

That would make 2009 the last year of the salary cap, and 2010 an uncapped year. The players are not expected to agree to another salary cap if it gets to that point. Upshaw says the NFLPA won't hesitate to strike. "This isn't hockey, where the players agreed to a 25 percent pay cut," a defiant Upshaw said. "We're not going to do anything like that."

Yes Yes Yes! Gotta love "Scab" football games. The "Rhinestone" Cowboys will Rule!!!!

 

[windward]

Or real strike.

I think we're on the same side of this issue. A strike would be really really bad. A lengthy strike could do much to affect the league's status as the number one pro sports league.

 

[windward]

I think a lockout until a cap is reached is more realistic.

Which could be equally bad. Or worse.

 

[windward]

As an economist, I totally understand where the owners are coming with this. Owners with successful franchises who sell their stadium naming rights, build their brand, and cultivate various local revenues should be rewarded for their efforts. That is the essense of capitalism. Making the teams split that money is deterimental to basic capitalistic business fundamentals.

Take a guy like Daniel Snyder. Now, he didn't "build the Commanders brand", but the fact is that he managed to extract huge profits from various shrewd deals he's made since he took over as owner... revenues of the Washington Commanders have grown at a larger rate than the league's revenues by a large margin for the entire time he's been owner. It's not right that he should have to share the fruits of his labor with say the owner of the Cinncinnati Bengals, who despite have a solid fan base has also historically been notoriously cheap and unable to extract maximum revenue from his enterprise.

Anyway, I'm not saying the players don't have a right to this money, but I don't see how you can fairly distribute this money under a salary cap system. All that being said, however, the NFL and the player's union have much more creative people than I do, and I can't forsee the salary cap being abandoned after all this time... so I'd bet something will get done.

Yet it is this system that has ushered in the most prosperous era in League history.

It is in the league's best interests long-term to have 32 financially viable teams. I don't know if there is a system better equipped than the current CBA to do this while still ensuring that the players are receiving fair compensation for their efforts in helping build this multi-billion dollar industry.

That and labor trouble means I can't get my pro football fix. That does not sit well with me.

 

[AdamJT13]

Upshaw is to union heads as Dave Campo is to head coaching.

he ****s at his job and the fact the players still allow him to represent them is hilarious.

You do realize that Upshaw got the players a deal that the owners think is a bad one for them, right?

Upshaw has been nothing but excellent for the NFLPA. The people that have a beef with him are people he's not paid to represent.

 

[Beast_from_East]

NFL Players Association director Gene Upshaw expects the owners to terminate the current Collective Bargaining Agreement in November 2008.

That would make 2009 the last year of the salary cap, and 2010 an uncapped year. The players are not expected to agree to another salary cap if it gets to that point. Upshaw says the NFLPA won't hesitate to strike. "This isn't hockey, where the players agreed to a 25 percent pay cut," a defiant Upshaw said. "We're not going to do anything like that."

Lets see, Dallas is one of the highest revenue teams in the league.

Lets see, no salary cap means you can pay anybody whatever you want

THIS IS GOING TO BE FREAKING SWEET!!!!!!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You do realize that Upshaw got the players a deal that the owners think is a bad one for them, right?

Upshaw has been nothing but excellent for the NFLPA. The people that have a beef with him are people he's not paid to represent.

If Im not mistaken of the leagues with a cap including the NBA and NHL the NFL players get a lesser proportion of the total revenue of everyone. When it comes downt ot eh nitty gritty that is what matters. Additionally he consistently has given ground to the league on issues ranging from the most recent conduct policy which essentially removes his organizations opinion from the various hearing involved but then he turns around and refuses to raise the standards of the banned substance testing and the equipment that the league is required to get players.

Then there is the entire fiasco with the explayers and while he may not represent them he certainly has created a PR nightmare and then the moron decided to go on record as saying he wanted to get physically violent with one of the ex players.

Quite frankly he sucks in each and everyway and just becasue the NFL owners are so used to getting whatever they want out of the union at will doesnt mean that the initial deal he brokered was worth a dman thing.

And give me a break that none of the current players complain. TO for one has consistently stated that upshaws office has never once assisted in his defense in the various arbitrartions against the eagles and the there was the whole issue of him turning his back on Jones, Henry and Thurman. They may have been losers and punks but they are his constituents and he left them out to dry as well. Kyle Turley and Matt Birk have also gone public with there disapproval of Upshaw.

I sit here and think of the other leagues and their union representatives and I cannot recall of the top of my head two people that went public complaining about their representative. Yet the NFLPA is rife with it.

I mean heck media members constantly talk about how Upshaw is in bed with the commisioners office. I know its not much but when its bandied about as given thats a pretty sad state of affairs.

Look i understand you like defending all things Cowboys and the NFL commisioners office but probably the reason you like Upshaw is that he bends over everytime the commisioner coughs.

 

[AdamJT13]

If Im not mistaken of the leagues with a cap including the NBA and NHL the NFL players get a lesser proportion of the total revenue of everyone.

Wrong. NFL players get 57 to 58 percent (gradually increasing each season). NBA players don't even get a guaranteed percentage for three years (2005-2008), then it's 55 to 57 percent. NHL players get 54 percent. And baseball players, who don't have a salary cap (and no guaranteed percentage) got a whopping 41.3 percent last season.

When it comes downt ot eh nitty gritty that is what matters.

And obviously, the NFLPA comes out on top in "what matters."

Additionally he consistently has given ground to the league on issues ranging from the most recent conduct policy

It was the players who came to him and asked for the conduct policy to be strengthened.

And give me a break that none of the current players complain. TO for one has consistently stated that upshaws office has never once assisted in his defense in the various arbitrartions against the eagles

Owens' complaint was with the NFLPA lawyers that he used, not Upshaw. Never mind that the NFLPA told him before he joined the Eagles that he shouldn't sign the contract because they could come after him for part of his signing bonus if he was ever suspended. Or that Upshaw kicked out the arbitrator who ruled against Owens in 2005.

and the there was the whole issue of him turning his back on Jones, Henry and Thurman. They may have been losers and punks but they are his constituents and he left them out to dry as well.

He didn't turn his back on them. They broke the rules and got suspended, as they should.

Kyle Turley and Matt Birk have also gone public with there disapproval of Upshaw.

Turley's beef is over the former players, whom Upshaw doesn't represent. And Birk was proven wrong when Upshaw got the players the CBA extension in 2006.