OmerV
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Lol, yes it is. Kind of shoots down the idea that Dak was looking for elite money.Half a billion dollars. Wow.
That's a lot of filthy lucre my friend.
Lol, yes it is. Kind of shoots down the idea that Dak was looking for elite money.Half a billion dollars. Wow.
That's a lot of filthy lucre my friend.
No one talks about base salary number, the AAV is the only number people care or talk about because not many players only make their base salary. Especially QB's since the AAV is tied into so many things.And it was out of a discussion of the rumor Dak was demanding $45MM in that 5th year if he were to sign a 5 year deal.
The point I was making that even Mahomes likely wouldn't even have a year where he made a base salary of $45MM. People, I think, confuse base salary with AAV. They aren't the same thing.
lol, now I'm taking insults from the village idiot, what next!? This just in, you quoted my post and proceeded to talk about something entirely different. Stay in your lane grandma!
Literally in the first post in this thread, there is a tweet from Schefter and he says, and I quote, "........making it a new 12-year contract in total".
What about Wentz or Goff? Those are apt comparisons no?
Keep saying along. Give Dak the updated version of the Wentz and Goff deal as those are his peers in both terms of position, year they entered, and in production.
So whatever Wentz/Goff got (add inflation) and then add another $26mm over 5 years (Dak gives up his extra year).
Wentz/Goff is expected to be FA in 2024 and at that point so would Dak...so Wentz, Goff, and Dak would ALL enter FA in 2024 having made the exact same amount.
Otherwise, sign Dak to 4 years...forego the extra $26mm...and Dak enters Free Agency a year earlier but $26mm less than Wentz/Goff.
Simple.
EDIT: $26MM because this number represents what Wentz/Goff MORE in career earnings than Dak over their first 4 years (Wentz/Goff: about $30mm so far...Dak: about $4mm..)
Except the thing is if you are demanding say 4 years 140 (35m per year) and you then say you want 45 for the 5th year what you are really saying is that to go to a 5th year it has to be 5 years 185(37m per year). That is not some drastic bump in money. Basically it says that if you want to get that 5th year the average per year has to go up relative to that.
No one talks about base salary number, the AAV is the only number people care or talk about because not many players only make their base salary. Especially QB's since the AAV is tied into so many things.
But no player has a last year premium like that. It's an excessive demand. The reason the Cowboys want that 5th year is for cap purposes. But if they are on the hook for $45MM in actual cash (which would be the cap hit + whatever bonus money is still outstanding), it defeats the point of adding that 5th year from Dallas' perspective.
Again, the AAV is largely meaningly. In your eyes, an AAV of $35 vs $37MM isn't a big deal but in terms of looking at how the structure would work, yes, it's an absolutely big deal from the Cowboys perspective.
Only in the context of how long he will be a Chief. Not in the context of the size of the contract. Otherwise you might as well start counting the years already paid because it is all the same contract in the end because it is technically an extension.
They tried that but Dak wants only 4 years where the Cowboys want 5 years.What about Wentz or Goff? Those are apt comparisons no?
Keep saying along. Give Dak the updated version of the Wentz and Goff deal as those are his peers in both terms of position, year they entered, and in production.
So whatever Wentz/Goff got (add inflation) and then add another $26mm over 5 years (Dak gives up his extra year).
Wentz/Goff is expected to be FA in 2024 and at that point so would Dak...so Wentz, Goff, and Dak would ALL enter FA in 2024 having made the exact same amount.
Otherwise, sign Dak to 4 years...forego the extra $26mm...and Dak enters Free Agency a year earlier but $26mm less than Wentz/Goff.
Simple.
EDIT: $26MM because this number represents what Wentz/Goff MORE in career earnings than Dak over their first 4 years (Wentz/Goff: about $30mm so far...Dak: about $4mm..)
What about Wentz or Goff? Those are apt comparisons no?
Keep saying along. Give Dak the updated version of the Wentz and Goff deal as those are his peers in both terms of position, year they entered, and in production.
So whatever Wentz/Goff got (add inflation) and then add another $26mm over 5 years (Dak gives up his extra year).
Wentz/Goff is expected to be FA in 2024 and at that point so would Dak...so Wentz, Goff, and Dak would ALL enter FA in 2024 having made the exact same amount.
Otherwise, sign Dak to 4 years...forego the extra $26mm...and Dak enters Free Agency a year earlier but $26mm less than Wentz/Goff.
Simple.
EDIT: $26MM because this number represents what Wentz/Goff MORE in career earnings than Dak over their first 4 years (Wentz/Goff: about $30mm so far...Dak: about $4mm..)
It certainly defeats the argument that Dak was looking for elite money. The Mahomes deal is what elite looks like. What Dak Has reportedly asked for, and what Goff, Wentz and Cousins got before, does Not look like an elite range now.Anyone still curious why this gives Dak even more leverage?
It is his story and it is the teams story and that is the story because that is what matters. Agents and teams now know the new highest paid player is playing on an AAV of 45m per. Period. No wiggle room, no "well if you count the two years before that then it is not that and while we are at it why dont we count the 3 years he already played..." because none of that matters. He signed 10 years 450+ million.
Not really especially when it looks like 45m will be what QBs cost in 5 years. Saying "I want 2m per year extra for that 5th year (honestly it is probably 37-38 initial anyway so it is more like 1.5 million more per year) is not exactly an unreasonable demand.
The entire reason Mahomes deal is earthshattering right now is because of the length. The Cowoboys did exactly the same thing years ago with Tyron and it worked out well there, because in only a few years the average deal caught up to that number and it will here to.
That's the thing.It certainly defeats the argument that Dak was looking for elite money. The Mahomes deal is what elite looks like.
I cherry picked the quote because it was relevant to the news of the day, especially now seeing that Mahomes will actually be getting closer to $47M/yr guaranteed/base. $503M is the total AAVActually people do talk about base salary and how it works with the cap, etc. And in the discussion you cherry picked a comment from, it was in relation to Dak reportedly wanting $45MM in cash in that 5th year. Well in order to do that, the Cowboys would have to make that 5th year base salary $45MM (or some combo of base + a 5th year roster bonus). That would be an unusual demand and as I said, not even Mahomes would have a contract that would pay him a base salary of $45MM in a single season.