10 Years of Rookie Preseason Passing Brilliance

[percyhoward]

This thread seems like one of those that want people to draw the conclusion that it doesn't matter how good Prescott has been.

It matters to me, otherwise I wouldn't have been looking for context.

 

[plymkr]

I wonder if the eagles and rams coaches, etc. are feeling a pit in there stomach? Having some kind of doubt of what if. I know it would cross my mind.

When watching the Dolphins preseason game, I looked over at my nephew and said. "I bet Eagles fans are sick watching our 4th rounder tear it up like this and their guy that they traded the entire draft for isn't doing all that great". He laughed.

I don't know if the teams are rueing but I bet the Eagles fans, and giants and skins fans, are watching this and thinking O Crap, Cowboys may have another special guy for cheap.

 

[DFWJC]

Preseason QB ratings

Just today, Joe Webb, 3rd string for Carolina had a 156 rating.

 

[BigD5]

Appreciate all your info. Just curious, where do you find all these hard to find stats?

 

[percyhoward]

Appreciate all your info. Just curious, where do you find all these hard to find stats?

These came from nfl.com.

 

[superonyx]

It matters to me, otherwise I wouldn't have been looking for context.

Naturally.

It's interesting no doubt.
But doesn't really make me feel like it has any real insight into Prescott's chances of success or failure.

What conclusion were you able to draw from the data?

 

[percyhoward]

It's interesting no doubt.
But doesn't really make me feel like it has any real insight into Prescott's chances of success or failure.

What conclusion were you able to draw from the data?

That his performance so far doesn't give us any real insight into his chances of success or failure.

But it's sure fun to watch.

 

[superonyx]

That his performance so far doesn't give us any real insight into his chances of success or failure.

But it's sure fun to watch.

Would you say his statistical performance so far doesn't give us any real insight into his chances or success or failure but his leadership, field command, presence, running ability ect have given you reason to be optimistic of his chances of success?

We can't really measure one guy vs another with just stats (any draw any real conclusion). But what about the other stuff?

 

[percyhoward]

Would you say his statistical performance so far doesn't give us any real insight into his chances or success or failure but his leadership, field command, presence, running ability ect have given you reason to be optimistic of his chances of success?

We can't really measure one guy vs another with just stats (any draw any real conclusion). But what about the other stuff?

I think without the stats, we're talking about Tim Tebow.

 

[DFWJC]

I think without the stats, we're talking about Tim Tebow.

lol

To be fair, Dak is way more accurate. I guess if his passes were dropped or there was poor protection or route running, then the stats wouldn't show that

 

[jrumann59]

That really sums it up pretty well...while we try to debunk the magic trick that is happening right in front of the football watching world, he is steadily checking every box; command the huddle. Check. Remain poised in the pocket, feel the blindside pressure, while keeping eyes down field. Check. Deliver strikes with accuracy and touch; even in tight coverage. Check. Makes good decisions with the football and his feet. Check. Keeps his foot on the defenses throat every time he takes a snap. Check. People at home watching on TV already expect that when he takes a snap something good is about to happen. Check.

But, yeah, I get it. It's just preseason, but there is something very special about this kid just the same. It's a good day to be a Cowboys fan.

Come on everyone prefers the Mcgee, Vaughan, Bartel, Showers preseason performances. Teh announcers mentioned Dak in the same breath as Wilson, Dak is at the point where he probably is due up for a stinker probably Game 3 because he will be on the sideline for a long time. But he has something that I think will help him in the long run, Romo still at the reigns. I really hope for a few blow outs one way or the other just so this kid can get some meaningful regular season reps.

 

[DFWJC]

Come on everyone prefers the Mcgee, Vaughan, Bartel, Showers preseason performances. Teh announcers mentioned Dak in the same breath as Wilson, Dak is at the point where he probably is due up for a stinker probably Game 3 because he will be on the sideline for a long time. But he has something that I think will help him in the long run, Romo still at the reigns. I really hope for a few blow outs one way or the other just so this kid can get some meaningful regular season reps.

If Romo and all the main cogs stay healthy, I can see a couple of blowouts happening. I agree, that'd be a great situation to get Dak in there.

 

[jimmy40]

Maybe Rodgers just takes a shot when a penalty is obvious, knowing if it is picked it won't matter.

can't be, it has to be a conspiracy, always

 

[superonyx]

I think without the stats, we're talking about Tim Tebow.

Nah...anyone who has watched Tim Tebow play and watch Prescott play wouldn't say this.
The stats are only 1 piece of the picture. It's when you combine them with the other things you see when watching a QB play that you can then start to get an idea of a guy has it or doesn't.

A guy like Tebow had to force every yard he gained. He was nervous and unsure in the pocket.
Forget stats.. Watch Prescott play and then tell me what you see.

 

[superonyx]

lol

To be fair, Dak is way more accurate. I guess if his passes were dropped or there was poor protection or route running, then the stats wouldn't show that

Dak is way more many things. I know asking a guy who just bases evaluations on stats will end with a reference like this. I don't know anyone who watches Prescott play and says he looks promising just based off his stat line. It's his poise, presence, decision making ect that doesn't show up on a stat line that impresses people so far.

If we just cared about Stats we wouldn't have signed Alfred Morris or drafted Zeke. McFadden had good enough stats.

 

[percyhoward]

Nah...anyone who has watched Tim Tebow play and watch Prescott play wouldn't say this.

Your description of Dak was the classic description of Tebow though. They always talked about his "leadership, field command, presence, running ability." So apparently, a QB can lead and inspire despite 47.9% career completions and a 75 rating.

I'd be more inspired if he added 20 points to both those numbers, no matter how much charisma somebody says he has, or how poised he looks to them.

 

[superonyx]

Your description of Dak was the classic description of Tebow though. They always talked about his "leadership, field command, presence, running ability." So apparently, a QB can lead and inspire despite 47.9% career completions and a 75 rating.

I'd be more inspired if he added 20 points to both those numbers, no matter how much charisma somebody says he has, or how poised he looks to them.

It was also the same thing people would say about Steve Young, Roger S., and Russell Wilson .
Not saying Dak will be nearly as good as either.... But clearly these characteristics matter when evaluating a player for success or failure. They matter more than a statistical comparison of a preseason game.

 

[logan]

Dak is threading needles out there, you can't help but be impressed. He already throws a better back shoulder fade than Romo.

 

[JDSmith]

It was also the same thing people would say about Steve Young, Roger S., and Russell Wilson .
Not saying Dak will be nearly as good as either.... But clearly these characteristics matter when evaluating a player for success or failure. They matter more than a statistical comparison of a preseason game.

I think that those qualities trump physical skill, but only when you have reached a certain threshold of ability. You can have all of those skills, but if you simply can't throw the football or you are too small or any one of a million other things you won't be an NFL QB. Tebow can have all of the characteristics of Dak, but he has horrible accuracy - he doesn't meet the minimum requirement regarding throwing ability. So he'll never be a QB.

Meanwhile you can have a guy like Jeff George, who had an all-time great arm and lacked all of the other characteristics. The difference is that if you have an all-time great arm you are a lot more likely to keep getting jobs in the NFL because the coaches think they can teach you the other aspects - leadership, anticipation, read progressions. For the most part they are wrong, because those things are as a part of a person as the ability to throw a football 70 yards. They can be improved, but not so dramatically that a guy like George would ever be a franchise QB.

I also believe that preseason games are perfect for sorting out who does and does not have the physical or mental skillset necessary. Because if you can't throw in preseason you just can't throw. If you can't make the simple reads required when facing a vanilla defense you are going to feel like a person who can't swim dropped into the ocean when DCs start scheming for you. Dak can throw, he can make the simple reads, he has shown a good feel for when to run.

We have heard about the intangibles, we now have some evidence of the physical/mental skillset transferring to the NFL level. Now comes the hard part. We'll have to wait and see how he develops, but he has at least met the minimum criteria and passed his first two tests with flying colors.

 

[superonyx]

I think that those qualities trump physical skill, but only when you have reached a certain threshold of ability. You can have all of those skills, but if you simply can't throw the football or you are too small or any one of a million other things you won't be an NFL QB. Tebow can have all of the characteristics of Dak, but he has horrible accuracy - he doesn't meet the minimum requirement regarding throwing ability. So he'll never be a QB.

Meanwhile you can have a guy like Jeff George, who had an all-time great arm and lacked all of the other characteristics. The difference is that if you have an all-time great arm you are a lot more likely to keep getting jobs in the NFL because the coaches think they can teach you the other aspects - leadership, anticipation, read progressions. For the most part they are wrong, because those things are as a part of a person as the ability to throw a football 70 yards. They can be improved, but not so dramatically that a guy like George would ever be a franchise QB.

I also believe that preseason games are perfect for sorting out who does and does not have the physical or mental skillset necessary. Because if you can't throw in preseason you just can't throw. If you can't make the simple reads required when facing a vanilla defense you are going to feel like a person who can't swim dropped into the ocean when DCs start scheming for you. Dak can throw, he can make the simple reads, he has shown a good feel for when to run.

We have heard about the intangibles, we now have some evidence of the physical/mental skillset transferring to the NFL level. Now comes the hard part. We'll have to wait and see how he develops, but he has at least met the minimum criteria and passed his first two tests with flying colors.

Very well said.