1053thefan: Mickey Spagnola cowboys report

[Doomsay]

I honestly cannot believe how incompetent Wade Phillips is.

How the hell he kept his job for so long is a mystery.

I thought that he was an idiot in that presser after the 2007 NE loss. What I thought was going to be a wake-up call for the kind of competition that he'd likely face in the playoffs turned into a complementary session for all of the nifty things his players did. Right there, I knew that the guy was an idiot, and not a leader.

BTW bringing up the Ware statements earlier this season was considered to be some form of Chicken Littleism, if I recall.

 

[SupermanXx]

this is just further confirmation that Wade Phillips was indeed a complete freakin buffoon.

I'm still laughing about the idiocy around the whole "Wade said he's gonna change! He's actually going to yell a couple of times during practice! Oh man I can't wait to see The Changed Wade Phillips!" crap

I'm also still laughing/in amazement about the Hard Knocks bullcrap - such as Wade telling the story about Pacman catching multiple punts without dropping one, or Wade moronically joking "well, they called last year's training camp Camp Cupcake... heh.. heh.. are they gonna call this one Camp Marshmallow? heh heh...heheh..."

freakin idiot.

 

[Doomsay]

I'm still laughing about the idiocy around the whole "Wade said he's gonna change! He's actually going to yell a couple of times during practice! Oh man I can't wait to see The Changed Wade Phillips!" crap

And people here actually cited that fact that Wade said that he was going to change, as proof that it would happen. The guy had zero pride, but got paid enough to be rich for the rest of his life, so godspeed.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

I have coached for close to 20 years, some as the HC and some as an assistant.

Two different roles, and I was two different coaches while in them.

When I was the HC, I ran the show down to every detail, and I wanted it done my way since my name was on the line.

Conversely when I was an assistant, I did things the way the HC wanted them done.

Oh sure I made suggestions when I was an assistant, and listened to them when I was the HC.

But a good assistant does not try to override the HC.

I once let an assistant change my mind about a player before a game. It was not a bad decision, but it wasn't my decision. It backfired and I swore that would never happen again.

If I have to live with a mistake, I want it to be my mistake.

I will judge Garrett from the moment he was named HC, and not while he was an assistant.

alright, I'll give you that being you have first hand experience. Wasn't really judging Garret as much as I was questioning Mickey and him filling info gaps just so he has something to say.

 

[bysbox1]

that sounds pretty lame to me. Come on....if Garret felt it so critical, especially in his unit, he couldn't have challenged Wade to focus on and fix mistakes? That excuse doesn't sit right with me and anyone worth his salt should be confident enough to challenge a system, especially one that wasn't working.

Exactly. Especially since he was Assistant Head Coach and had control over all of the Offense.

 

[adbutcher]

I am a big Garrett skeptic but he is doing all he possibly can.

I applaud these actions 100%.

While I wish he would have done more as OC I can't a single move he's made thus far as the HC.

I could care less about developing a man crush over his press conference technique but these actual football changes are truly meaningful.

 

[SupermanXx]

all I see you citing is an incomplete sentence hahah

(although I assume the word he's missing is "criticize")

 

[tyke1doe]

that sounds pretty lame to me. Come on....if Garret felt it so critical, especially in his unit, he couldn't have challenged Wade to focus on and fix mistakes? That excuse doesn't sit right with me and anyone worth his salt should be confident enough to challenge a system, especially one that wasn't working.

I doesn't sound lame to me. Remember, Garrett was hired before Wade, was projected as the heir-apparent and made more money than Wade, if I'm not mistaken.

So I can see where Garrett would be more tentative in making corrections or suggesting corrections. Wade may consider it Garrett trying to take over.

And don't let Wade's demeanor fool you. Anyone who is a NFL head coach who is consider "the man" and who guides a group of men performing their duties in the spotlight has an ego.

 

[jgboys1]

Now though jason has the players doing it right, till they get it down pat. No more mistakes repeated without fixing anymore in practice.

Wow fixing mistakes in practice. What a concept. What did Wade do at all these "practices"?

 

[jterrell]

all I see you citing is an incomplete sentence hahah

(although I assume the word he's missing is "criticize")

whatever word you include you get the point as he did which is what he was agreeing with.

bottom line: i have been a detractor but i can NOT knock a single move thus far as head coach.

 

[Kangaroo]

Wow fixing mistakes in practice. What a concept. What did Wade do at all these "practices"?

Eat donuts and jog

 

[jterrell]

I have coached for close to 20 years, some as the HC and some as an assistant.

Two different roles, and I was two different coaches while in them.

When I was the HC, I ran the show down to every detail, and I wanted it done my way since my name was on the line.

Conversely when I was an assistant, I did things the way the HC wanted them done.

Oh sure I made suggestions when I was an assistant, and listened to them when I was the HC.

But a good assistant does not try to override the HC.

I once let an assistant change my mind about a player before a game. It was not a bad decision, but it wasn't my decision. It backfired and I swore that would never happen again.

If I have to live with a mistake, I want it to be my mistake.

I will judge Garrett from the moment he was named HC, and not while he was an assistant.

I agree with your last sentence 100%.

I disagree with the earlier portion of the post. I also have a great deal of experience (though not 20 years) as a Coach in various roles. What is clear and what I learned is that being a passive assistant resulted in the worst results and it hurt those teams. When I stepped up and took corrective actions it benefited everyone including the head coaches.

As a head coach I want strong assistants who take ownership and are quick to tell me of any mistakes I may make. If we disagree the head man gets final say but if the asst sees that go on long term they simply have to give up the job. You can not be an effective coach if the head coach ignores you. And you do everyone a disservice if you stick around but don't buy in to the program.

A bunch of yes men or people ignoring issues does zero to help.

I disagree with the job Garrett did as HC and rate that lowly. But that rating is now over and to your final I will judge him starting the day he took the HC job.

 

[SupermanXx]

whatever word you include you get the point as he did which is what he was agreeing with.

bottom line: i have been a detractor but i can knock a single move thus far as head coach.

you "can"?

which one then?

 

[jterrell]

Wow fixing mistakes in practice. What a concept. What did Wade do at all these "practices"?

It is a lot more complicated and has more implications (but nary worth the time to detail it) than that so just let it go.

Bottom line, we all seem to agree these new actions are beneficial.

 

[WV Cowboy]

alright, I'll give you that being you have first hand experience. Wasn't really judging Garret as much as I was questioning Mickey and him filling info gaps just so he has something to say.

I'm not giving Garrett a free pass, because I have not been crazy about him as our OC.

I'm just taking a "wait and see" approach since I know being the assistant is different from being the HC.

I hope he becomes known as one of the great young minds in NFL coaching circles.

He is a bright kid, it could happen.

I hope Jerry lets him.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I agree with your last sentence 100%.

I disagree with the earlier portion of the post. I also have a great deal of experience (though not 20 years) as a Coach in various roles. What is clear and what I learned is that being a passive assistant resulted in the worst results and it hurt those teams. When I stepped up and took corrective actions it benefited everyone including the head coaches.

As a head coach I want strong assistants who take ownership and are quick to tell me of any mistakes I may make. If we disagree the head man gets final say but if the asst sees that go on long term they simply have to give up the job. You can not be an effective coach if the head coach ignores you. And you do everyone a disservice if you stick around but don't buy in to the program.

A bunch of yes men or people ignoring issues does zero to help.

I disagree with the job Garrett did as HC and rate that lowly. But that rating is now over and to your final I will judge him starting the day he took the HC job.

I guess I was talking about assistants that try to overrule the HC, or go outside his wishes in how he wants things run.

I certainly believe in communications between coaches, and welcome suggestions and back and forth discussions.

I think you knew that.

The intent of my post was only to point out the difference between being HC and being an assistant.

 

[JPM]

Eat donuts and jog

and play cards and dominos.

 

[aikemirv]

that sounds pretty lame to me. Come on....if Garret felt it so critical, especially in his unit, he couldn't have challenged Wade to focus on and fix mistakes? That excuse doesn't sit right with me and anyone worth his salt should be confident enough to challenge a system, especially one that wasn't working.

Think about this for a minute, if it gets out that Garrett is openly challenging Wade as to the practice routine and schedule, what do you think the result of that is?

That would make for a very bad scenario for everybody on an organizational level.

 

[StylisticS]

I guess Wade really was the "head" coach then. So much for the notion of Jason only has offensive responsibilities and Wade only worried about defense. Wade oversaw everything and it was the reason for the laziness, lack of accountability, etc. etc.