12/7 Mock

[cnuball21]

Appreciate the work, but I'm not a fan of this class. I think both T/LB are needs, but they are below the priority ones. Team needs to a lot of help in their secondary with some many fa's, it doesn't do enough.

Run D is the biggest weakness on the team IMO. Diggs/Surtain would give us a pretty good 1-2 punch and the emergence of Wilson helps the DB room if he can continue to develop.

In relation to OT, it’s another really good class IMO. I think Cosmi would give us a solid swing tackle with tools to develop into a solid replacement for Smith.

 

[Cowboyny]

Run D is the biggest weakness on the team IMO. Diggs/Surtain would give us a pretty good 1-2 punch and the emergence of Wilson helps the DB room if he can continue to develop.

In relation to OT, it’s another really good class IMO. I think Cosmi would give us a solid swing tackle with tools to develop into a solid replacement for Smith.

-Do like Surtain, prefer Farley, either would make a nice tandem with Diggs.
-Unless you are releasing or trading Tyron, makes little sense to spend a high pick who probably wouldn't even play. Draft a future starter, developmental guy later.
-We have nothing at Safety, Wilson and who else? Robinson? Need an impact starter
-Linebacker to me is like Tackle, Jaylon will be around at least another season due to his cap #, drafting a future starter to rotate in next season would be ideal. Might have to use a high pick to do so.
-Need major help along the DL, not just a NT.

In my opinion, the focus should be addressing the secondary and the DL with our top 3 selections, unless a prospect falls in our laps at another position.

 

[cnuball21]

-Do like Surtain, prefer Farley, either would make a nice tandem with Diggs.
-Unless you are releasing or trading Tyron, makes little sense to spend a high pick who probably wouldn't even play. Draft a future starter, developmental guy later.
-We have nothing at Safety, Wilson and who else? Robinson? Need an impact starter
-Linebacker to me is like Tackle, Jaylon will be around at least another season due to his cap #, drafting a future starter to rotate in next season would be ideal. Might have to use a high pick to do so.
-Need major help along the DL, not just a NT.

In my opinion, the focus should be addressing the secondary and the DL with our top 3 selections, unless a prospect falls in our laps at another position.

I think you're being a little too reactive instead of being proactive. If you wait until the contracts expire or the player retires you're too late...rookies aren't usually impact players and need time to develop. Also, if you corner yourself into only drafting 1/2 positions in the first 3 rounds it is extremely likely you're passing on superior talent for need.

- You're assuming Tyron will be 100% next year and won't ever get injured again. This year is case and point how easy it is to rack up injuries on the OL.
- I don't really care about Jaylon's contract. He needs to be upgraded badly. Even if the rookie splits snaps with him year 1 and is developing I'm good with that.
- I'd love to upgrade Woods but he's not terrible. He's average IMO. I'm drafting the S from UT this year and we also just drafted Robinson who apparently has moved to S so let's give him a chance.
- Agree - DL needs help. We just drafted Hill / Gallimore...are you already giving up on them? If one of them hits pair them up with Shelvin / Woods and the DL is looking better.

 

[cnuball21]

I think the players you have added. However I think at 13 you are looking more at Horn or Kendrick. Surtain will probably be gone.

Was gonna knock you for the trade comp. I was thinking a 2022 #1 would be fairer comp. However, I forgot that a 2021 #2 = a 2022 #1 as far as trade compensation. With that being said, which would you prefer? A 2021 #2 or a 2022 #1?

You might be right! Farley is my top guy and in this scenario he was off the table. In the event both he and Surtain are gone I do NOT like any of these CBs in the top 15 so I'd need to see who else is available.

 

[baltcowboy]

I think the players you have added. However I think at 13 you are looking more at Horn or Kendrick. Surtain will probably be gone.

Was gonna knock you for the trade comp. I was thinking a 2022 #1 would be fairer comp. However, I forgot that a 2021 #2 = a 2022 #1 as far as trade compensation. With that being said, which would you prefer? A 2021 #2 or a 2022 #1?

You trade that far up for a quarterback you have to give up at least two ones. I think he used the trade chart that is why he got the small return and those draft machines usually don’t let you rip teams off.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think you're being a little too reactive instead of being proactive. If you wait until the contracts expire or the player retires you're too late...rookies aren't usually impact players and need time to develop. Also, if you corner yourself into only drafting 1/2 positions in the first 3 rounds it is extremely likely you're passing on superior talent for need.

- You're assuming Tyron will be 100% next year and won't ever get injured again. This year is case and point how easy it is to rack up injuries on the OL.
- I don't really care about Jaylon's contract. He needs to be upgraded badly. Even if the rookie splits snaps with him year 1 and is developing I'm good with that.
- I'd love to upgrade Woods but he's not terrible. He's average IMO. I'm drafting the S from UT this year and we also just drafted Robinson who apparently has moved to S so let's give him a chance.
- Agree - DL needs help. We just drafted Hill / Gallimore...are you already giving up on them? If one of them hits pair them up with Shelvin / Woods and the DL is looking better.

I get your point, but I'm not drafting a Tackle in the top 40 if he isn't going to play. Tyron usually plays 12 games a season, still playing at a high level, I'm not having an expensive, insurance plan. A top 40 pick is usually a plug and play, impact starter.

Woods is not terrible? He isn't a starting caliber safety in this league. Terrible tackler, never around the football.

Think we need to add some veterans along the DL, with adding more in the draft. If we continue to run a hybrid scheme, they need the right personnel to do so. Not only NT's, but 5 tech 3-4 DE's.

 

[cnuball21]

I get your point, but I'm not drafting a Tackle in the top 40 if he isn't going to play. Tyron usually plays 12 games a season, still playing at a high level, I'm not having an expensive, insurance plan. A top 40 pick is usually a plug and play, impact starter.

Woods is not terrible? He isn't a starting caliber safety in this league. Terrible tackler, never around the football.

Think we need to add some veterans along the DL, with adding more in the draft. If we continue to run a hybrid scheme, they need the right personnel to do so. Not only NT's, but 5 tech 3-4 DE's.

I can see both sides to the OT argument so that's fair.

I disagree with basically everything else though. So if we're going to be a hybrid defense is you're expectation to have talent for DL positions across both a 4-3 and 3-4? We can't even put together a strong unit for our current unit so I don't think that is realistic.

 

[Cowboyny]

I can see both sides to the OT argument so that's fair.

I disagree with basically everything else though. So if we're going to be a hybrid defense is you're expectation to have talent for DL positions across both a 4-3 and 3-4? We can't even put together a strong unit for our current unit so I don't think that is realistic.

A lot is going to depend upon if Nolan and his scheme returns. If he does, they are going to bring in players who better fit the scheme they want to run. You figure the DL would consist of DLaw (Standing or down), 0 Tech 3-4 NT, 3 Tech (Hill/Gallimore), 5 Tech (3-4 DE). The strong-side LB in his system is more of a stand-up DE Aldon/Gregory/Anae.

MM knew he has to overhaul the Defense when he took the job, even said so in his opening PC. He if a fan of a hybrid scheme and doesn't want a basic system. With GB, he had a 3-4 Defense, Nolan wants to run 3-4 alignments. It's been reported they dummy down the scheme, but I still believe he is having his lineman two gap, which doesn't fit their current personnel. I would move on from Nolan, but MM might bring in another coach who runs a similar scheme. No matter, but they have to start the transition if that's the type of scheme they want to run.

 

[cowboyec]

i love surtain and sterns.
with diggs and wilson...thats a really good secondary.