1st round draft picks

[Rayman70]

No rookie will come in here and lift this team up. It's far away from winning.

 

[montgod]

Yep, they should operate how Baltimore operated with Dilfer at QB. No really big WR weapons. Shannon Sharpe was their TE and they went run heavy. Minimal work for Dilfer. Lean on the line and batter the defense. This also means that the ball is controlled by the offense putting less emphasis on the defense being left exposed.

Yeah that takes an experienced coach who knows how to identify the talent on their team and facilitate an offense/defense to promote their strengths. This team doesn't have that in a coach or a GM. And for that type of offense, it would be nice to have a pro bowl level rb to go along with it and fewer weaknesses along the OL.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Instead they gave an extension to mid tier TE Ferguson who doesn’t make big plays and drops a lot of passes.

He doesn't make big plays (because they won't run him more than 5 yards past the LOS) but he had 14 targets with 13 receptions yesterday.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Guyton - Wasn't a first-round talent coming out OU. Looks like a backup more than anything.
BeBee - Has been average at center. Maybe he should have moved to RG instead.
Booker - He's a rookie, can't form an opinion based on 3 games but it was a reach at #12.
Steele - I don't know what this guy does well because he's always getting beat.

All 4 are wrong. But that's ok.

 

[Rayman70]

Dak is better than Dilfer was. Dilfer had a top 5 all time defense. So he had lots to lean on.

 

[MyFairLady]

Guards baby. You gotta go out and get them guards.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Huh??????

I know Guyton still has some time to turn it around, but are you really suggesting that hes performed even close to expectations so far? Personally I can't fault anyone for saying Guyton hasnt worked out.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Bingo. They could have signed a guard.

Then they could have had an elite TE like Warren.

Instead they gave an extension to mid tier TE Ferguson who doesn’t make big plays and drops a lot of passes.

Honestly too Warren looks fun, booker looks like any other guard who can just grab


He’s been getting walked into the backfield no problem

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Cowboys used 3 first round picks in the last 4 years on offensive linemen. And yet, they look like they have one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL right now. The theory is taking offensive linemen in the first round ensures a quality offensive line.

So I decided to look at some of the top teams, the Rams, Eagles and Chiefs and how they drafted the last 10 years.

The Eagles have had 10 first round draft picks since 2016. They used 1 on the offensive line. It was Andre Dillard who never played much for the Eagles and is now gone. That was in 2019. The rest of their top rated OL was assembled from other picks and transactions. To be fair, Lane Johnson was a 1st round pick in 2013.

The Chiefs used a 1st round pick on OL this year for the first time since 2013. They have had 6 picks total in the last 10 drafts.

Then I picked another contender that just lost a close game to the Eagles, They have only had 2 1st round picks in the last 10 drafts. Neither was used on offensive line. Given the Rams success in building and rebuilding, are 1st round picks even necessary?

What does this mean. It's not really a large enough sample size, but clearly it shows you don't have to use 1st round picks on the OL to build a good offensive line. This is especially true when finding Centers and Guards, and even then the OTs that succeed are usually taken early in the first round.

Of course if you refuse to play in the free agent market then I supposed you have to use 1st round picks to improve your chances of success.

I think the Cowboys reached for Guyton and Booker. Guyton has looked awful so far. Booker has been a mixed bag. But the question is, could Dallas have used a later pick for a OG and used their 1st round pick for an impact position? Look at all the players in the first round we could have picked, Grant, Walker, Warren, Egbuka, Hampton - all positions of need. I said then that Warren would have made the biggest impact on this offense, but it is possible Egbuka would have made a big impact too and we would not have had to trade for Pickens.

In the meantime, the Dolphins took Jonah Savaiinaea in the 2nd round and he starts at LG and plays pretty well. The Giants picked Marcus Mbow in the 5th round and he is playing a solid LT so far even though he was projected to be a guard coming out of college. The Cowboys didn't need to take Booker so early, but it is decisions like this that have a ripple effect on the rest of the draft and eventually the roster. Good teams are good because they get these decision right.

its about ability to build a team and evaluating talent. we suck at it.
now do DTs and DEs.
then do LBs
then do RBs
then do Safties...oh wait, we don't draft safties.

 

[HungryLion]

He doesn't make big plays (because they won't run him more than 5 yards past the LOS) but he had 14 targets with 13 receptions yesterday.

He’s mid

 

[Blitzen]

The Cowboys used 3 first round picks in the last 4 years on offensive linemen. And yet, they look like they have one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL right now. The theory is taking offensive linemen in the first round ensures a quality offensive line.

So I decided to look at some of the top teams, the Rams, Eagles and Chiefs and how they drafted the last 10 years.

The Eagles have had 10 first round draft picks since 2016. They used 1 on the offensive line. It was Andre Dillard who never played much for the Eagles and is now gone. That was in 2019. The rest of their top rated OL was assembled from other picks and transactions. To be fair, Lane Johnson was a 1st round pick in 2013.

The Chiefs used a 1st round pick on OL this year for the first time since 2013. They have had 6 picks total in the last 10 drafts.

Then I picked another contender that just lost a close game to the Eagles, They have only had 2 1st round picks in the last 10 drafts. Neither was used on offensive line. Given the Rams success in building and rebuilding, are 1st round picks even necessary?

What does this mean. It's not really a large enough sample size, but clearly it shows you don't have to use 1st round picks on the OL to build a good offensive line. This is especially true when finding Centers and Guards, and even then the OTs that succeed are usually taken early in the first round.

Of course if you refuse to play in the free agent market then I supposed you have to use 1st round picks to improve your chances of success.

I think the Cowboys reached for Guyton and Booker. Guyton has looked awful so far. Booker has been a mixed bag. But the question is, could Dallas have used a later pick for a OG and used their 1st round pick for an impact position? Look at all the players in the first round we could have picked, Grant, Walker, Warren, Egbuka, Hampton - all positions of need. I said then that Warren would have made the biggest impact on this offense, but it is possible Egbuka would have made a big impact too and we would not have had to trade for Pickens.

In the meantime, the Dolphins took Jonah Savaiinaea in the 2nd round and he starts at LG and plays pretty well. The Giants picked Marcus Mbow in the 5th round and he is playing a solid LT so far even though he was projected to be a guard coming out of college. The Cowboys didn't need to take Booker so early, but it is decisions like this that have a ripple effect on the rest of the draft and eventually the roster. Good teams are good because they get these decision right.

Dak has only been sacked 6 times and hit 15 times in three games. That’s mid level protection comparatively speaking, and Dak does not evade pressure like he did when he entered the league. I’ve actually felt pretty comfortable with their protection over these three games and he’s had some very nice passing pockets-frequently/plenty of time. Fans equate how dominant the line was when Tyron, Zack, and Travis were in their prime with how the new line should perform. Pretty good is usually as good as it gets in this league. They have a stout and very good line-doing well run blocking thus far.

 

[Gambit]

Pass blocking is the worst part of the line for sure but we are a superior run blocking team. The offensive line is fine. The defense…… Everything is on the table.

Bizzare how people think the OL is the problem.

 

[baltcowboy]

Its great that we are a superior run blocking team, and to a large extent I would agree with that. The issue is pass blocking is almost always going to be the standard for a good OL. Only a few teams each year actually run the ball more than they pass it, and those teams will almost always have a mobile QB adding 100+ scrambles each year. If you can't consistently protect your QB you can't be in the starting lineup, and it doesn't matter how good you are in the run game. Too many major negative plays that effect the outcome of games come from poor pass protection.

You act as if a 2nd year player won’t get better. Guyton is improved from last season he will continue to improve. The line has been rebuilt and has new coaches, let them develop. Steele is not worth his contract but he is a solid right tackle. The line is fine.

 

[JoeKing]

The Cowboys used 3 first round picks in the last 4 years on offensive linemen. And yet, they look like they have one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL right now. The theory is taking offensive linemen in the first round ensures a quality offensive line.

So I decided to look at some of the top teams, the Rams, Eagles and Chiefs and how they drafted the last 10 years.

The Eagles have had 10 first round draft picks since 2016. They used 1 on the offensive line. It was Andre Dillard who never played much for the Eagles and is now gone. That was in 2019. The rest of their top rated OL was assembled from other picks and transactions. To be fair, Lane Johnson was a 1st round pick in 2013.

The Chiefs used a 1st round pick on OL this year for the first time since 2013. They have had 6 picks total in the last 10 drafts.

Then I picked another contender that just lost a close game to the Eagles, They have only had 2 1st round picks in the last 10 drafts. Neither was used on offensive line. Given the Rams success in building and rebuilding, are 1st round picks even necessary?

What does this mean. It's not really a large enough sample size, but clearly it shows you don't have to use 1st round picks on the OL to build a good offensive line. This is especially true when finding Centers and Guards, and even then the OTs that succeed are usually taken early in the first round.

Of course if you refuse to play in the free agent market then I supposed you have to use 1st round picks to improve your chances of success.

I think the Cowboys reached for Guyton and Booker. Guyton has looked awful so far. Booker has been a mixed bag. But the question is, could Dallas have used a later pick for a OG and used their 1st round pick for an impact position? Look at all the players in the first round we could have picked, Grant, Walker, Warren, Egbuka, Hampton - all positions of need. I said then that Warren would have made the biggest impact on this offense, but it is possible Egbuka would have made a big impact too and we would not have had to trade for Pickens.

In the meantime, the Dolphins took Jonah Savaiinaea in the 2nd round and he starts at LG and plays pretty well. The Giants picked Marcus Mbow in the 5th round and he is playing a solid LT so far even though he was projected to be a guard coming out of college. The Cowboys didn't need to take Booker so early, but it is decisions like this that have a ripple effect on the rest of the draft and eventually the roster. Good teams are good because they get these decision right.

So, you're saying linemen drafted after the first round do better? I'm not boarding that boat.

 

[Brooksey]

The Cowboys used 3 first round picks in the last 4 years on offensive linemen. And yet, they look like they have one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL right now. The theory is taking offensive linemen in the first round ensures a quality offensive line.

WRONG.

Guyton gave up a sack yesterday but has not been awful, Booker has been very good. Our O-line and run game looks great right now, one of the better lines in the league and the team's strength.

Steele has to go, we need a good right tackle in the first three rounds, trade or hit FA

 

[baltcowboy]

Bizzare how people think the OL is the problem.

Zoners are just so used to the great lines of Cowboys past. No lines will ever be that good. Not even the Eagles are on that level.

 

[Amarth]

Huh, I could have sworn there was a thread after the FIRST game that claimed Guyton had finally cemented himself as a legit left tackle and he had made the leap. Pretty sure I also caught a lot of **** for telling people to hold off on the praise until he puts together a few good consistent games.

I dunno, maybe it was just a dream.

 

[Amarth]

I know Guyton still has some time to turn it around, but are you really suggesting that hes performed even close to expectations so far? Personally I can't fault anyone for saying Guyton hasnt worked out.

Exactly. I never even said he was a bust, I just said one game isn’t enough of a sample size to say he has turned it around. He still can but he hasn’t been as good as a lot of us expected for where he was drafted. Hopefully he improves but it’s far from a guarantee.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Cowboys used 3 first round picks in the last 4 years on offensive linemen. And yet, they look like they have one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL right now. The theory is taking offensive linemen in the first round ensures a quality offensive line.

So I decided to look at some of the top teams, the Rams, Eagles and Chiefs and how they drafted the last 10 years.

The Eagles have had 10 first round draft picks since 2016. They used 1 on the offensive line. It was Andre Dillard who never played much for the Eagles and is now gone. That was in 2019. The rest of their top rated OL was assembled from other picks and transactions. To be fair, Lane Johnson was a 1st round pick in 2013.

The Chiefs used a 1st round pick on OL this year for the first time since 2013. They have had 6 picks total in the last 10 drafts.

Then I picked another contender that just lost a close game to the Eagles, They have only had 2 1st round picks in the last 10 drafts. Neither was used on offensive line. Given the Rams success in building and rebuilding, are 1st round picks even necessary?

What does this mean. It's not really a large enough sample size, but clearly it shows you don't have to use 1st round picks on the OL to build a good offensive line. This is especially true when finding Centers and Guards, and even then the OTs that succeed are usually taken early in the first round.

Of course if you refuse to play in the free agent market then I supposed you have to use 1st round picks to improve your chances of success.

I think the Cowboys reached for Guyton and Booker. Guyton has looked awful so far. Booker has been a mixed bag. But the question is, could Dallas have used a later pick for a OG and used their 1st round pick for an impact position? Look at all the players in the first round we could have picked, Grant, Walker, Warren, Egbuka, Hampton - all positions of need. I said then that Warren would have made the biggest impact on this offense, but it is possible Egbuka would have made a big impact too and we would not have had to trade for Pickens.

In the meantime, the Dolphins took Jonah Savaiinaea in the 2nd round and he starts at LG and plays pretty well. The Giants picked Marcus Mbow in the 5th round and he is playing a solid LT so far even though he was projected to be a guard coming out of college. The Cowboys didn't need to take Booker so early, but it is decisions like this that have a ripple effect on the rest of the draft and eventually the roster. Good teams are good because they get these decision right.

It’s worth noting those picks were late rounders. Mazi, Guyton and Smith were late first rounders. Much different then top 20 picks.

 

[KB1122]

Our defensive draft picks of late have been ... anonymous. Overshown and Bland, who can't stay on the field and a lot of nothing.