1st round - its a WR!

[LittleBoyBlue]

I really think that this is the year we go back to offense... and I mean back to offense for a WR... a potential impact start player

I see us taking Jarrett, Bowe or Ginn....

Trading down and stocking up draft picks is nice and all... but we are not rebuilding a NEW team... we are looking for playmakers and filling a few small holes and some depth.

Its a boy... I mean a WR in round 1.

 

[masomenos]

The problem with this is that no WR we draft this year is really going to make that big of an impact, barring injuries. The only thing they could do is push Patrick Crayton out of the #3 spot and then we'd most likely end up losing him next year. WRs like Bowe, Meachem, etc come out almost every year and by drafting one of them now we wouldn't really be getting the kind of player who would jump right in and make an instant impact. I'm a big fan of some of the WRs this year (especially Bowe) and even advocated drafting one at #22 for a while but the more I thought about it the less sense it made.

If we're going to draft a WR in the first round just to have him sit around for a year or two then we may as well try and grab a developmental #2 or #3 type WR in the 3rd or 4th round and then, after Glenn and or Owens leaves we can draft a true #1 who can come in and make an immediate impact and also have some solid depth already in place.

 

[CoachHodnett]

The reason I believe it's WR, is because Jerry pretty much ruled WR out in the 1st. I truly believe Jerry was throwing up a smokescreen. Taking into account the type of "WOW" player he was referring to, speed, game-changer, instant player... I think our first round pick is Ted Ginn, Jr.

 

[BARRYRAY]

Anyway we go it will be a drafttime deal, don't rule out Adrian Petterson ina bold move up, going down hasn't always worked so well for us, lets try the otherway..

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The problem with this is that no WR we draft this year is really going to make that big of an impact, barring injuries. The only thing they could do is push Patrick Crayton out of the #3 spot and then we'd most likely end up losing him next year. WRs like Bowe, Meachem, etc come out almost every year and by drafting one of them now we wouldn't really be getting the kind of player who would jump right in and make an instant impact. I'm a big fan of some of the WRs this year (especially Bowe) and even advocated drafting one at #22 for a while but the more I thought about it the less sense it made.

If we're going to draft a WR in the first round just to have him sit around for a year or two then we may as well try and grab a developmental #2 or #3 type WR in the 3rd or 4th round and then, after Glenn and or Owens leaves we can draft a true #1 who can come in and make an immediate impact and also have some solid depth already in place.

Hyman Roth will never see the new year... oh dam... wrong board LOL...

Terry Glenn doesnt make it through the season(or its possible T.O. for that matter).


Like New Orleans did with Marques Colston... we throw our 1st WR in their with T.O.

I dont think we are set at WR as we think...

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The reason I believe it's WR, is because Jerry pretty much ruled WR out in the 1st. I truly believe Jerry was throwing up a smokescreen. Taking into account the type of "WOW" player he was referring to, speed, game-changer, instant player... I think our first round pick is Ted Ginn, Jr.

Yep! T.O. is Jerry's pacifier for missing out on Moss... this time Jerry wants a STAR WR from the draft.

 

[COWBOYSNUM1]

I think that Jerry is going to try to trade up and get Adrian Peterson. If Peterson doesn't fall low enough, I see us trading out of the 1st round completely.

 

[sago1]

First of off WRs like Bowe, Jarret, Meacham don't come along every year and with the Cowboys drafting so low and hopefully even lower next year there little chance we can get a quality WR with our first pick. Also it's rare that a WR makes significant contribution his first year so drafting a WR and letting them develop and get in for a few catches while they learn the system and develope their skills is good idea. Having said that, I'm by no means advocating we use our first rounder on a WR.

I'm more concerned about our CB situation. Some people on this board seem think we are fine at that position for a few more years. I think that's wrong cause Glenn turns 35 & Henry 31 & neither Reeves/Jones viewed as potential starters. Unless Cowboys see OLB position as greater need and Moss falls or they opt for Spencer, I think we should grab best CB available which I think is Moss but defer to those who've seen Houston play. Understand those who want a FS but how much play would he get since I really doubt whoever we draft can make those defensive signal calls Phillips system really needs.

Now if we can trade down and still pick up BPA who feels a big need, I'm okay with that and hope that player might still be Ross (hopefully we pick up a 3rd rounder). If we can't get Ross in first round by dropping down, grab best we can and take Marcus McCauly in 2nd round & an OL in 3rd round & a DT like Soliei or Marcus Thomas (off field issues). I want a DT who can contribute this year to give Ferguson some rest; drafting in the 2nd day lessens our options and any chance that player can contribute this year--like we got nothing for drafting Stanley in 6th round and don't have a clue if he ever will do anything. Also there doesn't appear to be anything in FA which could help us out.

 

[Dcowboy84]

My problem with not drafting WR in the 1st this year, is that this draft class has the most WR talent that we've seen in a while.

If we wait on drafting our potential future at WR for a year or two, who's to say that the future WR classes don't look like last years', which wasn't impressive.

Granted, there could end up being another class like this one in a year or two, but i think it's too much of a risk to hope for that. We are going to be in position to grab a very talented WR, being able to choose from guys who were the leading WR for very good teams (USC, LSU, etc). I think we have to take advantage of that. Now will a guy like Jarrett or Bowe ever become our #1? Maybe, maybe not. But they would definitely be a solid #2 for us for years (barring injury).

And yeah, they won't play a ton this year, but i would say that's an advantage. Throwing a rookie WR out there to start is not an easy task, especially when it's a new offense they are learning. We know we would see a draft pick in a spread offense, probably in some 3 receiver sets, or spelling one of our starters for a series or two.

And it has been said already, but what if TO or Glenn get hurt, or one of them is out for the year. I'm sorry, but i just don't see Crayton as a starter, i see him as a very good 3rd receiver. And i like Hurd and Austin, but they are just "green", to use a Parcells term.

Bottom line, we may or may not draft a WR in round one this year, but we cannot afford to wait and see if a future WR happens to produce a star. We need to take advantage of the position we are in right now.

 

[BlueStar II]

While I wouldn't mind seeing us take a WR with our first pick, I just don't think it's going to happen. IMO, in all likelihood, we'll go with either a DB or a pass-rusher type with our first pick, and then possibly look for a WR with one of our picks shortly thereafter following our first pick.

 

[masomenos]

First of off WRs like Bowe, Jarret, Meacham don't come along every year and with the Cowboys drafting so low and hopefully even lower next year there little chance we can get a quality WR with our first pick. Also it's rare that a WR makes significant contribution his first year so drafting a WR and letting them develop and get in for a few catches while they learn the system and develope their skills is good idea. Having said that, I'm by no means advocating we use our first rounder on a WR.

I'm more concerned about our CB situation. Some people on this board seem think we are fine at that position for a few more years. I think that's wrong cause Glenn turns 35 & Henry 31 & neither Reeves/Jones viewed as potential starters. Unless Cowboys see OLB position as greater need and Moss falls or they opt for Spencer, I think we should grab best CB available which I think is Moss but defer to those who've seen Houston play. Understand those who want a FS but how much play would he get since I really doubt whoever we draft can make those defensive signal calls Phillips system really needs.

Now if we can trade down and still pick up BPA who feels a big need, I'm okay with that and hope that player might still be Ross (hopefully we pick up a 3rd rounder). If we can't get Ross in first round by dropping down, grab best we can and take Marcus McCauly in 2nd round & an OL in 3rd round & a DT like Soliei or Marcus Thomas (off field issues). I want a DT who can contribute this year to give Ferguson some rest; drafting in the 2nd day lessens our options and any chance that player can contribute this year--like we got nothing for drafting Stanley in 6th round and don't have a clue if he ever will do anything. Also there doesn't appear to be anything in FA which could help us out.

Quality WR prospects and WR deep drafts come along pretty often:
2001: David Terrell, Santana Moss, Koren Robinson, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson and Chris Chambers all graded as first rounders.
2004: Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Williams, Rashaun Woods, Michael Clayton, Lee Evans and Michael Jenkins rated as first rounders.
2005: Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Troy Williamson, Reggie Brown, Mark Clayton and Roddy White graded as first rounders.

That's 4 of the past 6 years (including this draft) that have had a bunch of prospects that graded as first round picks. Next year looks to be a very deep WR class too. You are right about WR's typically needing a year to develop though. However, unless we lose Glenn and Owens then our offense wouldn't change dramatically as a pick could be asked to play the 3rd WR slot with Crayton playing #2.

As far as CB goes, you're right it is a concern but unless Darrelle Revis or Leon Hall is there then we'd be making a bad choice IMO. We don't even really need a true #1 CB replacement at this point because Newman hasn't shown any signs of dropping off at all. We do need depth in the form of a player who can eventually come in and man the #2 spot and a large number of #2 CBs in the NFL were selected in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. You also use the same argument against FS that I was using (that you argued against) to talk about the WRs. You say a FS wouldn't come in and play, but neither would a WR.

You're spot on at the end though in saying we need a DT to give Ferguson some rest (and eventually take over). If we trade down into the early second round then we still have a great chance of drafting Demarcus Tyler from N.C. State and he would be an absolutely perfect fit in Phillips defense. As you mentioned Soliai would be a great prospect too and if we missed out on Tyler then we could have him as our fall back. The two positions that can come in and help this team the most THIS YEAR are DT and OLB.

 

[glassjaw]

True a 1st WR may sit and drafts with WRs with 1st round grades do come along pretty often. However, look at those drafts you mentioned. Wouldn't it be great to have Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Fitzgerald or Roy Williams on the Cowboys? Sure there are a lot of misses too. It's like that with every position though.

The bottom line is this Crayton was hurt some last year and the year before. Glenn has missed time and it really has hurt the offense in the past. T.O. played all the games last year but at less than a 100%; plus God love him but you never know with T.O. as far as what is going to happen. Maybe a rookie WR would find a way onto the field.

Also, the CBs in this draft are really close in talent level. I just do not see a remarkable difference between Hall, Ross, Houston, Revis, Jackson, etc., etc. There are no "Champ Baileys" here, but you might get a "Assante Samuel type player in the later rounds like maybe a Michael Coe.

I do love Anthony Spencer and he would be a nice fit, but I think we need to find out about Carpenter, and Burnett before we draft their replacement. Besides we have a fromer Purdue DE on our team. Akin Ayodele might be a nice option at OLB with Carp moving inside and Burnett taking over for James on 3rd down...or more?

There is no DT in the draft outside of Branch, Okoye and maybe Harrell that are 1st rounders. Ferguson was a 6th himself.

If Ginn turns out to be another Tim Brown, Jarrett a Chris Carter (a 4.7 40 guy) or Bowe turns into Michael Irvin I would hate to miss out on them.

Sure, any of them could turn into a Desmond Howard, David Terrell or Yatel Green just as easily. I know every player has some risk, but for value at the #22 spot it is WR, or Spencer. Unless someone falls into out lap.

 

[cowboy4life]

The problem with this is that no WR we draft this year is really going to make that big of an impact, barring injuries. The only thing they could do is push Patrick Crayton out of the #3 spot and then we'd most likely end up losing him next year. WRs like Bowe, Meachem, etc come out almost every year and by drafting one of them now we wouldn't really be getting the kind of player who would jump right in and make an instant impact. I'm a big fan of some of the WRs this year (especially Bowe) and even advocated drafting one at #22 for a while but the more I thought about it the less sense it made.

If we're going to draft a WR in the first round just to have him sit around for a year or two then we may as well try and grab a developmental #2 or #3 type WR in the 3rd or 4th round and then, after Glenn and or Owens leaves we can draft a true #1 who can come in and make an immediate impact and also have some solid depth already in place.

I think that we need to draft a WR early. Everyone is depending on Terrell Owens when we all know that he isn't the same receiver he was in 2004. I think that a young receiver with some pedigree could be what is needed to force Owens to improve his game or to move on. I am sick and tired of us being held hostage by the neverending TO saga.

He was never really the impact player that we thought we were getting. I want to see him succeed here, I do. But he showed me last year that he doesn't dominate games anymore. I would rather him here to impress a young future #1 receiver like a Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, or Dwayne Jarrett on how to become a dominant receiver than to depend on two undrafted guys being the heir apparent. We may regret not drafting a quality receiver if Terry Glenn's knees fail him or TO continues to get injured.

 

[cowboy4life]

Quality WR prospects and WR deep drafts come along pretty often:
2001: David Terrell, Santana Moss, Koren Robinson, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson and Chris Chambers all graded as first rounders.
2004: Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Williams, Rashaun Woods, Michael Clayton, Lee Evans and Michael Jenkins rated as first rounders.
2005: Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Troy Williamson, Reggie Brown, Mark Clayton and Roddy White graded as first rounders.

That's 4 of the past 6 years (including this draft) that have had a bunch of prospects that graded as first round picks. Next year looks to be a very deep WR class too. You are right about WR's typically needing a year to develop though. However, unless we lose Glenn and Owens then our offense wouldn't change dramatically as a pick could be asked to play the 3rd WR slot with Crayton playing #2.

As far as CB goes, you're right it is a concern but unless Darrelle Revis or Leon Hall is there then we'd be making a bad choice IMO. We don't even really need a true #1 CB replacement at this point because Newman hasn't shown any signs of dropping off at all. We do need depth in the form of a player who can eventually come in and man the #2 spot and a large number of #2 CBs in the NFL were selected in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. You also use the same argument against FS that I was using (that you argued against) to talk about the WRs. You say a FS wouldn't come in and play, but neither would a WR.

You're spot on at the end though in saying we need a DT to give Ferguson some rest (and eventually take over). If we trade down into the early second round then we still have a great chance of drafting Demarcus Tyler from N.C. State and he would be an absolutely perfect fit in Phillips defense. As you mentioned Soliai would be a great prospect too and if we missed out on Tyler then we could have him as our fall back. The two positions that can come in and help this team the most THIS YEAR are DT and OLB.

Why trade down into the 2nd round to get somebody that will at best be a backup? The only way we should trade down is to take advantage of a team that is lusting after a particular player. Then you take them to the cleaners. We need to stay in the first round with any trade down.

 

[masomenos]

I think that we need to draft a WR early. Everyone is depending on Terrell Owens when we all know that he isn't the same receiver he was in 2004. I think that a young receiver with some pedigree could be what is needed to force Owens to improve his game or to move on. I am sick and tired of us being held hostage by the neverending TO saga.

He was never really the impact player that we thought we were getting. I want to see him succeed here, I do. But he showed me last year that he doesn't dominate games anymore. I would rather him here to impress a young future #1 receiver like a Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, or Dwayne Jarrett on how to become a dominant receiver than to depend on two undrafted guys being the heir apparent. We may regret not drafting a quality receiver if Terry Glenn's knees fail him or TO continues to get injured.

See, I'm not saying that we don't need a WR. I think that we do, but I don't think we need to use or first round pick in order to get him. A very large percent of #2 WRs are found in the second, third, and fourth rounds, 47% in fact. We're going to need a #1 AND a #2 WR in the future because both Glenn and Owens are nearing the end of the line. This year a #1 WR isn't going to help us, even if he gets in the odds of him making a big impact are very low. So why not go after one of those #2 WR types? They can still learn from Owens about becoming a dominant WR and all of that but by drafting them later on we'd be able to address more serious needs, needs that could greatly affect the team this year. Grab a player like Chris Davis, Laurent Robinson or Dallas Baker and you're still getting a good quality player who will contribute to the team in the future but instead of as a #1 WR it would be as a #2.

 

[masomenos]

Why trade down into the 2nd round to get somebody that will at best be a backup? The only way we should trade down is to take advantage of a team that is lusting after a particular player. Then you take them to the cleaners. We need to stay in the first round with any trade down.

At best be a backup? You mean this season? If that's what you mean then what's the point in drafting a WR in the first round if he's just going to sit around? And if you mean to say that Demarcus Tyler will be a career backup at best then you're simply misinformed. The best option is to trade down for a first next year and use our two seconds and our third to solidify our roster. If we were to execute a trade similar to the Losman deal then we would put ourselves in a position next year to address some needs right as they were really becoming needs. We would have the opportunity to take a 1st round WR and CB if needed or if we let Julius Walk and feel like we need a "wow" player we would be able to trade up for a guy like Darren McFadden. We would even have some insurance in case Romo was nothing more than a flash in the pan. Trading down for a pick next year gives us tremendous flexibility without sacrifcing the needs of the team as they stand. With all of our late round picks it would be possible for us to move into the 4th round so that we'd have two second round picks, a third and two fourths. The fourth round picks could be used on developmental players at positions where age is starting to show (like CB and WR) with no intention on them ever being #1 starters. The third round pick could be used on either a versatile OL prospect, preferably a LT who would give us security in the Flozell situation or on a pass rusher to add security there. Then the second round picks would either be used on OL or OLB and a DT who could spell Ferguson, add extra pressure in passing situations and eventually take over. The team gets better at most of it's weak positions and we're in place to make ourselves even stronger the next year. That's why we would trade down.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I really think that this is the year we go back to offense... and I mean back to offense for a WR... a potential impact start player

I see us taking Jarrett, Bowe or Ginn....

Trading down and stocking up draft picks is nice and all... but we are not rebuilding a NEW team... we are looking for playmakers and filling a few small holes and some depth.

Its a boy... I mean a WR in round 1.

WR's can be had at our pick or even later. There are plenty to go around. Get the Bears on the phone.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I agree with masomenos -- I think guys like Bowe and Meachem *do* come along every year. It's like the old saying that WRs are like 2-guards in basketball: You can always find them.

That said, I do think Ginn's speed is special. And even though he's far from a sure thing, Meachem really intrigues me, too.

 

[DeaconMoss]

At best be a backup? You mean this season? If that's what you mean then what's the point in drafting a WR in the first round if he's just going to sit around? And if you mean to say that Demarcus Tyler will be a career backup at best then you're simply misinformed. The best option is to trade down for a first next year and use our two seconds and our third to solidify our roster. If we were to execute a trade similar to the Losman deal then we would put ourselves in a position next year to address some needs right as they were really becoming needs. We would have the opportunity to take a 1st round WR and CB if needed or if we let Julius Walk and feel like we need a "wow" player we would be able to trade up for a guy like Darren McFadden. We would even have some insurance in case Romo was nothing more than a flash in the pan. Trading down for a pick next year gives us tremendous flexibility without sacrifcing the needs of the team as they stand. With all of our late round picks it would be possible for us to move into the 4th round so that we'd have two second round picks, a third and two fourths. The fourth round picks could be used on developmental players at positions where age is starting to show (like CB and WR) with no intention on them ever being #1 starters. The third round pick could be used on either a versatile OL prospect, preferably a LT who would give us security in the Flozell situation or on a pass rusher to add security there. Then the second round picks would either be used on OL or OLB and a DT who could spell Ferguson, add extra pressure in passing situations and eventually take over. The team gets better at most of it's weak positions and we're in place to make ourselves even stronger the next year. That's why we would trade down.

This is good rhetoric. However, the guys on my board will play now!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think that we need to draft a WR early. Everyone is depending on Terrell Owens when we all know that he isn't the same receiver he was in 2004. I think that a young receiver with some pedigree could be what is needed to force Owens to improve his game or to move on. I am sick and tired of us being held hostage by the neverending TO saga.

He was never really the impact player that we thought we were getting. I want to see him succeed here, I do. But he showed me last year that he doesn't dominate games anymore. I would rather him here to impress a young future #1 receiver like a Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, or Dwayne Jarrett on how to become a dominant receiver than to depend on two undrafted guys being the heir apparent. We may regret not drafting a quality receiver if Terry Glenn's knees fail him or TO continues to get injured.

What has TO lost from 2004?
He is still a beast RAC/YAC.
He HAS to be gameplanned for.
He will get on the field no matter what. Injured or not.
Being held back HE STILL led league in TD's

Like Julius... I think TO has an even better year than last. Bill held him and others back. Called low percentage plays. etc...