2/26/13 Post combine two months before draft mock

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

My draft 4 weeks ago

Round 1
Richardson DT MIZZ
Round 2
Warford KENTUCKY
Round 3
McDonald FS USC
Round 4
Geathers DT GEORGIA
Round 5
Harper WR KS
Round 6
TE Williams ALABAMA

In a perfect world 2/26/13 mock draft - preferred players in caps

Round 1 18
Richardson/COOPER G/Short (could play center)

Round 2 47 2.15
P. THOMAS FS/Frederick/Carradine (solely on INTS and senior year. If we don't get Cooper in first we need to jump on Frederick amazing player)

Round 3 80 3.18
S. Williams/Porter/LEMONIER DE/S. Williams (pass rusher needs to improve on stopping run)

Round 4 111 4.17
LOGAN DT/Hill/Hodges/Schwenke/D. Taylor (very consistent, really like him)

Round 5 144 5.18
BARNER RB/Bell/Jamison/K. Holmes ( short back, quick feet, explosive)

Round 6 175 6.17
M. WILLIAMS TE/Geathers/T. Williams (blocking tight end)

Although I would really like hodges in the fourth my first 3 selections made it impossible to get a DT. Also I think Syl. Williams will be gone by the time we pick in the third round. A variation of the following draft would assure that our draftees contribute right away. This would make me über happy!

 

[xwalker]

Keep in mind that Kiffin's defense is based on speed at all positions. He will sacrifice size for speed.

Callahan's Zone Blocking Scheme is based on a similar concept; although not to the extreme of Kiffin's defense.

The following players don't have great speed/quickness:
Geathers
Porter
Hodges

Warford
Frederick

McDonald: Timed speed was OK (4.59 forty), but appears slower in game footage.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

Keep in mind that Kiffin's defense is based on speed at all positions. He will sacrifice size for speed.

Callahan's Zone Blocking Scheme is based on a similar concept; although not to the extreme of Kiffin's defense.

The following players don't have great speed/quickness:
Geathers
Porter
Hodges

Warford
Frederick

McDonald: Timed speed was OK (4.59 forty), but appears slower in game footage.

Good point. I'd be worried for warford in that case but not Frederick. Watching him play you understand why ball ripped of some long runs down the middle. Geathers is a space eater. Porter and hodges are solid back ups.

 

[xwalker]

Good point. I'd be worried for warford in that case but not Frederick. Watching him play you understand why ball ripped of some long runs down the middle. Geathers is a space eater. Porter and hodges are solid back ups.

Frederick dropped from his college listed weight of 338 down to 312 for the combine. His forty was 5.5 and his ten was 1.85. Those are ugly numbers. I doubt that he stays at 312 and therefore will probably be slower at a higher weight.

Geathers: Space eaters are 3-4 NTs and DTs in some 4-3 defenses, but not in Kiffin's

Porter and Hodges: I don't want to draft backups.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

Frederick dropped from his college listed weight of 338 down to 312 for the combine. His forty was 5.5 and his ten was 1.85. Those are ugly numbers. I doubt that he stays at 312 and therefore will probably be slower at a higher weight.

Geathers: Space eaters are 3-4 NTs and DTs in some 4-3 defenses, but not in Kiffin's

Porter and Hodges: I don't want to draft backups.

Frederick is one of those players I don't care how he does in the combine. Yes im sure he dropped weight everyone does. Dominated opponents better than konz and zeitler. Consistently got to the second level. Won't get pushed around on pass plays.

We need someone to backup our star linebackers. Reality is they get hurt sometimes and guys off the street won't cut it. Or let them compete for the spot opposite of carter.

Geathers won't fit right away but he does intrigue me. Flyers are flyers. I just really want a warren sapp disruptive DT. We need more meat on the line we will be losing some vets who are aging. Last pick is a desperation pick for me.

 

[Vintage]

Keep in mind that Kiffin's defense is based on speed at all positions. He will sacrifice size for speed.

Callahan's Zone Blocking Scheme is based on a similar concept; although not to the extreme of Kiffin's defense.

The following players don't have great speed/quickness:
Geathers
Porter
Hodges

Warford
Frederick

McDonald: Timed speed was OK (4.59 forty), but appears slower in game footage.

Yeah, because John Lynch was known for his speed.

McDonald may or may not be pursued by Dallas. But don't pretend like Kiffin wont use someone if he feels they can play because of a speed problem.

 

[Rack]

Keep in mind that Kiffin's defense is based on speed at all positions. He will sacrifice size for speed.

Callahan's Zone Blocking Scheme is based on a similar concept; although not to the extreme of Kiffin's defense.

The following players don't have great speed/quickness:
Geathers
Porter
Hodges

Warford
Frederick

McDonald: Timed speed was OK (4.59 forty), but appears slower in game footage.

 

[xwalker]

 

[xwalker]

Yeah, because John Lynch was known for his speed.

McDonald may or may not be pursued by Dallas. But don't pretend like Kiffin wont use someone if he feels they can play because of a speed problem.

Adapting to a player that is already on the roster if different than drafting a player.

 

[xwalker]

Frederick is one of those players I don't care how he does in the combine. Yes im sure he dropped weight everyone does. Dominated opponents better than konz and zeitler. Consistently got to the second level. Won't get pushed around on pass plays.

We need someone to backup our star linebackers. Reality is they get hurt sometimes and guys off the street won't cut it. Or let them compete for the spot opposite of carter.

Geathers won't fit right away but he does intrigue me. Flyers are flyers. I just really want a warren sapp disruptive DT. We need more meat on the line we will be losing some vets who are aging. Last pick is a desperation pick for me.

No offense, but everybody wants to ignore facts when it goes against their favorite players. Frederick will be best in a pure man-blocking scheme.

Geathers is about a far away from being like Warren Sapp as any DL in this draft.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

No offense, but everybody wants to ignore facts when it goes against their favorite players. Frederick will be best in a pure man-blocking scheme.

Geathers is about a far away from being like Warren Sapp as any DL in this draft.

Fredericks game tape speaks for itself. I'm sure he can adapt to zone blocking. I did say Geathers was a desperation pick not warren sapp. Just want more meat at DT. Even if its in round 6.

 

[xwalker]

Fredericks game tape speaks for itself. I'm sure he can adapt to zone blocking. I did say Geathers was a desperation pick not warren sapp. Just want more meat at DT. Even if its in round 6.

I watched many Wisconsin games. I thought that Frederick was too slow then. I thought at the time that he could lose some weight and get quicker, but he lost weight and still ran a 5.5 which confirms what I saw in game footage.

I suggest someone with upside in the system like Nick Williams, Samford over Geathers.

 

[Shinywalrus]

I love Frederick, but love him in a true man system. The problem is that our personnel on the line are all over the place, and that includes the people we've added since we began the ZBS conversion. It's very difficult to understand the Livings and Bernadeau signings in context of a strong conviction in ZBS.

In the right situation, I do feel like Travis will end up being among the most effective interior guys to come out this year, but frankly our line is such a hodgepodge of skillsets that I'm not sure what to think about a lot of candidates for the inside.

 

[xwalker]

I love Frederick, but love him in a true man system. The problem is that our personnel on the line are all over the place, and that includes the people we've added since we began the ZBS conversion. It's very difficult to understand the Livings and Bernadeau signings in context of a strong conviction in ZBS.

In the right situation, I do feel like Travis will end up being among the most effective interior guys to come out this year, but frankly our line is such a hodgepodge of skillsets that I'm not sure what to think about a lot of candidates for the inside.

I think that Bernadeau is actually very quick and athletic; however, he tends to be late off the snap.

He looked much better at OC. I believe that knowing exactly when the ball was getting snapped helped him.

 

[Shinywalrus]

I think that Bernadeau is actually very quick and athletic; however, he tends to be late off the snap.

He looked much better at OC. I believe that knowing exactly when the ball was getting snapped helped him.

You may be right. My eye showed him a step slow, but that might be reaction vs. general athleticism. What's surprising is that Nate was so much more effective for us last year, despite being an awkward fit, at best.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

I watched many Wisconsin games. I thought that Frederick was too slow then. I thought at the time that he could lose some weight and get quicker, but he lost weight and still ran a 5.5 which confirms what I saw in game footage.

I suggest someone with upside in the system like Nick Williams, Samford over Geathers.

Frederick is a football player that got the job done. He does lack 40 yard speed but I dont question his quickness. He does need a strong pro day now which I know he is capable of. I am not familiar with Nick Williams but doesn't look like he'll be there in the 6th. But yes, I would love a guy with that size on the roster over Geathers.

 

[xwalker]

Frederick is a football player that got the job done. He does lack 40 yard speed but I dont question his quickness. He does need a strong pro day now which I know he is capable of. I am not familiar with Nick Williams but doesn't look like he'll be there in the 6th. But yes, I would love a guy with that size on the roster over Geathers.

Speed/quickness was not Frederick's only issue at the combine. He only put up 21 reps on the bench with 33" arms. That's not good.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

Speed/quickness was not Frederick's only issue at the combine. He only put up 21 reps on the bench with 33" arms. That's not good.

Speed and quickness are not the same thing. How many reps did Moore put up but it didn't seem to bother you much? Trying to understand why it's okay for a top ten prospect to put up 12 compared to Frederick who put up 21 and lost weight along with strength to run the 40. Not my pet cat btw but to dismiss him as an option I cannot do so looking at his production.

 

[xwalker]

Speed and quickness are not the same thing. How many reps did Moore put up but it didn't seem to bother you much? Trying to understand why it's okay for a top ten prospect to put up 12 compared to Frederick who put up 21 and lost weight along with strength to run the 40. Not my pet cat btw but to dismiss him as an option I cannot do so looking at his production.

When did I comment on Moore?

 

[Rack]