2 Things I Don't Understand

[mrmason67]

2 Things I Don't Understand

1. Franchising Tag on Anthony Spencer (10 mil.)
We can use this money on signing 2 players or
Trading him for 2 draft picks.

2. Keeping Doug Free (7 mil.)
We can release him as a post June 1 release, like we did with Marcus Spear and
sign a RT in free agency.

(Anthony Spencer) The market for DE/OLB is very weak and he would have never got a contract that he wanted.

(Doug Free) This guy was the worst I have seen and everybody has seen. He totally lose his confidence and technique. There are better RT in free agency or in the draft that can play better. He is a good guy, but we need production.

What you guys think?

 

[visionary]

2 Things I Don't Understand

1. Franchising Tag on Anthony Spencer (10 mil.)
We can use this money on signing 2 players or
Trading him for 2 draft picks.

2. Keeping Doug Free (7 mil.)
We can release him as a post June 1 release, like we did with Marcus Spear and
sign a RT in free agency.

(Anthony Spencer) The market for DE/OLB is very weak and he would have never got a contract that he wanted.

(Doug Free) This guy was the worst I have seen and everybody has seen. He totally lose his confidence and technique. There are better RT in free agency or in the draft that can play better. He is a good guy, but we need production.

What you guys think?

let me explain both things with one answer

JERRY JONES

 

[CowboyStar88]

2 Things I Don't Understand

1. Franchising Tag on Anthony Spencer (10 mil.)
We can use this money on signing 2 players or
Trading him for 2 draft picks.

2. Keeping Doug Free (7 mil.)
We can release him as a post June 1 release, like we did with Marcus Spear and
sign a RT in free agency.

(Anthony Spencer) The market for DE/OLB is very weak and he would have never got a contract that he wanted.

(Doug Free) This guy was the worst I have seen and everybody has seen. He totally lose his confidence and technique. There are better RT in free agency or in the draft that can play better. He is a good guy, but we need production.

What you guys think?

No access to the 7 mil until after June 1. Cutting him now does not free up the money until then. It's been talked about to death. What is the point in cutting him now? Keep him for insurance during OTA's and the draft and go from there. Mkaes no sense to cut him until then.

 

[AllProRico]

2 Things I Don't Understand

1. Franchising Tag on Anthony Spencer (10 mil.)
We can use this money on signing 2 players or
Trading him for 2 draft picks.

2. Keeping Doug Free (7 mil.)
We can release him as a post June 1 release, like we did with Marcus Spear and
sign a RT in free agency.

(Anthony Spencer) The market for DE/OLB is very weak and he would have never got a contract that he wanted.

(Doug Free) This guy was the worst I have seen and everybody has seen. He totally lose his confidence and technique. There are better RT in free agency or in the draft that can play better. He is a good guy, but we need production.

What you guys think?

1. Proven player that can net us those things guaranteed if someone signs/trades for him(which is unlikely) or we lose him and add someone who isn't guaranteed to be better than Spencer while losing that talent and still having a big need in that area bigger than what is already there.

2. The draft hasn't happened yet so there is always a possibility of drafting the next franchise T at #18 therefore we get rid of Free knowing that we have that guarantee. If not then there are still some pretty good tackles in FA that you could try to come to terms that will be good for both parties but making sure that we're getting someone who will at least be as good as Free at his best or better. If not then you still have free and aren't adding ANOTHER glaring hole that needs depth.

Spencer I can live with but while i'm not a fan of the inconsistency of Free, i'd rather have him and not another glaring hole in which we don't know if we'll get worse then not have him and have another glaring hole in which we don't know if we'll get worse.

 

[ShiningStar]

1. Proven player that can net us those things guaranteed if someone signs/trades for him(which is unlikely) or we lose him and add someone who isn't guaranteed to be better than Spencer while losing that talent and still having a big need in that area bigger than what is already there.

2. The draft hasn't happened yet so there is always a possibility of drafting the next franchise T at #18 therefore we get rid of Free knowing that we have that guarantee. If not then there are still some pretty good tackles in FA that you could try to come to terms that will be good for both parties but making sure that we're getting someone who will at least be as good as Free at his best or better. If not then you still have free and aren't adding ANOTHER glaring hole that needs depth.

Spencer I can live with but while i'm not a fan of the inconsistency of Free, i'd rather have him and not another glaring hole in which we don't know if we'll get worse then not have him and have another glaring hole in which we don't know if we'll get worse.

this i agree with, let me be clear, i have never been a fan of Spencer, but he is proven and he might even do better in the new system. Hes worth the dime, because while they call it a "passing league" the runners are STILL going to chew up the yards when they can find the break, and Spencer is good at the run. He does more than the stats show, and lets be real about this, last year he caused some nice mayhem and stopped a few throws , so its worth it for this season because we WONT have anyone come in and continue at his level.

 

[laythewood28]

2 Things I Don't Understand

1. Franchising Tag on Anthony Spencer (10 mil.)
We can use this money on signing 2 players or
Trading him for 2 draft picks.

2. Keeping Doug Free (7 mil.)
We can release him as a post June 1 release, like we did with Marcus Spear and
sign a RT in free agency.

(Anthony Spencer) The market for DE/OLB is very weak and he would have never got a contract that he wanted.

(Doug Free) This guy was the worst I have seen and everybody has seen. He totally lose his confidence and technique. There are better RT in free agency or in the draft that can play better. He is a good guy, but we need production.

What you guys think?

Free is good as gone. Unless one of the top tackles drop, its Parnell's job to lose. I could see them signing moore to play guard and drafting another developmental player like Terron Armstead to be a backup tackle. But I think Parnell gets first crack.

 

[conner01]

as many times as the fras been posted if you don't understand it by now you never will. if you cut him now you get no saving, none
if you wait till june 1 you get added cap space
as for spencer it all comes down to how you value a player. obviously they value spencer more than you do but please name those two players who you would replace him with

 

[conner01]

let me explain both things with one answer

JERRY JONES

you are right, jerry is smart enough to know that cutting free now saves you nothing at all

 

[xwalker]

2. Keeping Doug Free (7 mil.)
We can release him as a post June 1 release, like we did with Marcus Spear and sign a RT in free agency.

The Cowboys don't get any additional space under the Salary Cap for cutting Spears until after June 1st. It would be the same with Doug Free.

Cutting the player before June 1st and "designating" him a June 1st cut is only beneficial to the player.

If the Cowboys were definitely keeping Free, then they would have restructured his contract by giving him a bonus now that could be spread out of a number of years which would lower his 2013 salary cap hit; however, it would basically guarantee the majority of his 2013 salary and prevent them from cutting him.

If you don't understand the issues with Free, then I'm not going to even address the issues with Spencer.

 

[arglebargle]

If the Cowboys are even slightly interested in restructuring Frees contract, they gain a lot of leverage by waiting til after June 1 to strong arm him. If they're not interested in a restructure, they gain cap space by cutting him after June 1. There's really no scenario where they benefit by cutting him before then.

Spencer? Well, you have to make the tag decisions before free agency starts. He's not an awful player, and he may have decent trade value once the inevitable injuries happen at OLB, especially given all the teams switching to 3-4 this year. Also gives the Cowboys a chance to bring in and evaluate rookies at the position before making the leap.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

1) If Free were to accept a paycut and play for $1M or $2M this year, why would you cut him? Wouldn't make any sense to cut him at that price. If Free doesn't accept a paycut, then he will be cut. Until then, it wouldn't be prudent to cut him.

2) Assuming Spencer is not on the team, who would replace Ware in the event of injury? Spencer is an insurance policy, albeit an expensive one, probably a little more than market value, but a necessary player. And he played well last year and good the past 4 years. I think he will be an even better 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. So, that is what $10M buys you.

Both are wise decisions by GM Jerry Jones and Coach Garrett.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think 1 they like Spencer and have claimed they are looking to put together a longer term deal and remove the Franchise tag.

Free they have said they will deal with that after the draft. While I agree 7 mill is too much given his play I think the Cowboys want to cover themselfs in the draft before they make a call on Free. I do think if he stays it will be at a reduced cost.

 

[CoCo]

The Cowboys don't get any additional space under the Salary Cap for cutting Spears until after June 1st. It would be the same with Doug Free.

Cutting the player before June 1st and "designating" him a June 1st cut is only beneficial to the player.

If the Cowboys were definitely keeping Free, then they would have restructured his contract by giving him a bonus now that could be spread out of a number of years which would lower his 2013 salary cap hit; however, it would basically guarantee the majority of his 2013 salary and prevent them from cutting him.

If you don't understand the issues with Free, then I'm not going to even address the issues with Spencer.

Question for you regarding the June 1 cut move. I'll use a hypothetical example.

If a player has a 7M base salary for 2013, 9M total unamortized SB left on his remaining 3 years so his 2013 cap cost is 10M (7+(9/3)) then my question is this...

If he were cut today wouldn't we get immediate cap savings of 1M, with another 6M coming to us on June 2, followed by 6M of dead money for 2014?

 

[Cowboysfan570]

2 Things I Don't Understand

1. Franchising Tag on Anthony Spencer (10 mil.)
We can use this money on signing 2 players or
Trading him for 2 draft picks.

2. Keeping Doug Free (7 mil.)
We can release him as a post June 1 release, like we did with Marcus Spear and
sign a RT in free agency.

(Anthony Spencer) The market for DE/OLB is very weak and he would have never got a contract that he wanted.

(Doug Free) This guy was the worst I have seen and everybody has seen. He totally lose his confidence and technique. There are better RT in free agency or in the draft that can play better. He is a good guy, but we need production.

What you guys think?

While I'm no fan of Doug Free I have just two words for you: Cory Procter.

 

[CF74]

My opinion of tagging Spencer is:

A) Insurance incase nothing avail in the draft/fa.
B) He plays harder trying to earn a contract.
C) There are no other options...

 

[Zordon]

both are due to poor planning, poor drafting...no forward thinking from the front office.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Spencer already signed the franchise tender, so we are on the hook. I think they misjudged what the free agent market was going to be when they decided to tag him.

You don't save money on Free until June, no point to get rid of him till then.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think they misjudged what the free agent market was going to be when they decided to tag him.

Seriously?

 

[Idgit]

Seriously?

Yeah, I don't agree with that at all. Though, I do think we were up a tree on the Spencer deal, because we could hardly afford to lose him this year. And the FA market at his position was a lot softer than I expected to be, anyway.

Still, that helps us more than it hurts us, because the same league-wide cap issues will be in place next year, too, and Spencer will be a year older. It's not like we were going to let him walk, and the franchise tag is the only interim option available to us right now. Maybe after the draft and in camp after we see him play DE a bit we iron out any wrinkles in an extension, but for now, it was franchise, or bust.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't get the up in arms view on Spencer, he is coming off a very good season. Cowboys want to keep talent not ditch it for some unknown. I would like to see the Franchise tag removed and a longer term deal put in place but it is hard to come down on a guy who just posted a very good season.

Some seem to put a player in the dog house and never let him out, here is a clue he just came off a pro bowl season he has shown he is very capable