2 Things I Get Tired of Hearing From the Talking Heads

[TheMarathonContinues]

Talent is still a problem on defense. If people really think Dan quinn is going to come in here and immediately turn this defense into a top 10 unit, they are mistaken

Do I expect that? No. But coaching goes a long way. If this team can go from being one of the worst to top 20....then that itself should be enough.

 

[McKDaddy]

If everyone would quit listening to the talking heads, they would go away.

you would like to think so but we quit listening to politicians years ago and look where that has gotten us

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yep. I'll gladly take an average defense at this point in his first year.

We saw what the hell happened from Maranelli to Nolan. Realistically...I think a top 20 defense is probably the best we can HOPE for at this point.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Negativity and controversy sell and require minimal effort.

If everyone would quit listening to the talking heads, they would go away.

Talking heads will go nowhere lol. Its just like the Cowboys...people swear they hate the Cowboys but tune in to watch them every Sunday......

 

[kskboys]

you would like to think so but we quit listening to politicians years ago and look where that has gotten us

We did? Looks like we listen too much to me!!!!!

 

[Redball Express]

. . . about our Cowboys:

#1 The Cowboys defense sucked in 2020 and thus they'll suck again in 2021. I hear things like this team quit, the players were out of position, they are nearly talentless on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not here to argue this defense sucked. They did ! When they took the fiels there was always a loud whoooshing sound. Undeniably so.

But what I have never heard from the so-called experts is the probable reasons for this. They passingly refer to Dab Quinn coming in to "fix" the D without mentioning what broke the D. If a talking head is going to rag on the D at least come up with a plausible explanation of what was happening in 2020. Not even a glossing over of the system that Mike Nolan attempted to implement. I'm submitting that the system was the culprit. No offseason, due to COVID-19, to implement a system with complicated assignments. Any opponent could see this defense was lost and thus power house offenses like WFT and the NYG were hanging large point totals on us.

If Quinn is worth his salt, and I don't know if he is with his hybrid D, this will change. If he gets the effort we should be significantly better. My prognostication on this defense is with more time to implement and teach there will be significant improvement. I also think better interior DL play is one of the main keys.

#2 Zeke is washed up. The Head's narrative: " Under 1,000 yards, only 4yds per carry, slow, very mid-level RB". Never hear the fact this OL was missing 2,3,4 pro-bowlers and at least 2 HOF'ers that are still potentially very high level players. There were multiple OL combinations . . . dozens, with 2nd AND 3rd stringers. Rare would be any RB that would look good. I also think that we will see a different running game this year with more consistency and greater avg. per carry.

I'm looking forward to this year. No playoff predictions, no record predictions but I think we'll see a product on the field that is much better. If I'm wrong then heads need to roll.

To me this season comes down to coaching. The coaches have to have snaps to practice. If we get that it will be different.

 

[Adreme]

. . . about our Cowboys:

#1 The Cowboys defense sucked in 2020 and thus they'll suck again in 2021. I hear things like this team quit, the players were out of position, they are nearly talentless on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not here to argue this defense sucked. They did ! When they took the fiels there was always a loud whoooshing sound. Undeniably so.

But what I have never heard from the so-called experts is the probable reasons for this. They passingly refer to Dab Quinn coming in to "fix" the D without mentioning what broke the D. If a talking head is going to rag on the D at least come up with a plausible explanation of what was happening in 2020. Not even a glossing over of the system that Mike Nolan attempted to implement. I'm submitting that the system was the culprit. No offseason, due to COVID-19, to implement a system with complicated assignments. Any opponent could see this defense was lost and thus power house offenses like WFT and the NYG were hanging large point totals on us.

If Quinn is worth his salt, and I don't know if he is with his hybrid D, this will change. If he gets the effort we should be significantly better. My prognostication on this defense is with more time to implement and teach there will be significant improvement. I also think better interior DL play is one of the main keys.

#2 Zeke is washed up. The Head's narrative: " Under 1,000 yards, only 4yds per carry, slow, very mid-level RB". Never hear the fact this OL was missing 2,3,4 pro-bowlers and at least 2 HOF'ers that are still potentially very high level players. There were multiple OL combinations . . . dozens, with 2nd AND 3rd stringers. Rare would be any RB that would look good. I also think that we will see a different running game this year with more consistency and greater avg. per carry.

I'm looking forward to this year. No playoff predictions, no record predictions but I think we'll see a product on the field that is much better. If I'm wrong then heads need to roll.

I mean the defense was not great in 2019 and lost a key player in the secondary who they had no ability to replace which left the secondary being awful. That is a player issue and right now the only hope is that Diggs can take that next step in year 2 to fill that spot and then maybe they can just have a bad secondary and a mediocre front 7.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

@Point-of-the-Star The players scapegoated Nolan. What difficult scheme was Nolan trying to run? As Nolan explained numerous times, the players could not even comprehend simple gap responsibility that even high school players grasp. No scheme will work if Lawrence and Smith and Lewis and others are freelancing and doing what they want. Injuries to LVE, Brown, Awuzie, and Gregory suspended hurt the defense early in the year and forced backups onto the field. Hill and Diggs getting injured later hurt too.

Henry did twice as much as Elliott with about the same OL talent, same QB talent, and much less WR talent. How do you explain that? Is Henry twice as good as Elliott?

 

[Sydla]

@Point-of-the-Star The players scapegoated Nolan. What difficult scheme was Nolan trying to run? As Nolan explained numerous times, the players could not even comprehend simple gap responsibility that even high school players grasp. No scheme will work if Lawrence and Smith and Lewis and others are freelancing and doing what they want. Injuries to LVE, Brown, Awuzie, and Gregory suspended hurt the defense early in the year and forced backups onto the field. Hill and Diggs getting injured later hurt too.

Henry did twice as much as Elliott with about the same OL talent, same QB talent, and much less WR talent. How do you explain that? Is Henry twice as good as Elliott?

Nolan was a turd. Why do you struggle at to admit that? He couldn't sniff a DC job until his friend, McCarthy, pulled him out of moth balls. There were former players who criticized his scheme, etc.

It was a terrible hire.

 

[kskboys]

@Point-of-the-Star The players scapegoated Nolan. What difficult scheme was Nolan trying to run? As Nolan explained numerous times, the players could not even comprehend simple gap responsibility that even high school players grasp. No scheme will work if Lawrence and Smith and Lewis and others are freelancing and doing what they want. Injuries to LVE, Brown, Awuzie, and Gregory suspended hurt the defense early in the year and forced backups onto the field. Hill and Diggs getting injured later hurt too.

Henry did twice as much as Elliott with about the same OL talent, same QB talent, and much less WR talent. How do you explain that? Is Henry twice as good as Elliott?

Steele and Knight were terrible last season. Martin missed time w/ injuries and was not his hold self when he did play. Biaadazz was not ready and it showed, tho he should be better going forward. We had a bad OL.

Tenn also missed some starters, but were strong up the middle w/ Ben Jones and Saffold providing steadiness and leadership. Dennis Kelly was solid. Quesenberry was passable. Nate Davis was a beast at OG.

Our OLine was worse, and it's not close. In this case, your idea that they two OLines were comparable last season is entirely incorrect.

 

[john van brocklin]

. . . about our Cowboys:

#1 The Cowboys defense sucked in 2020 and thus they'll suck again in 2021. I hear things like this team quit, the players were out of position, they are nearly talentless on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not here to argue this defense sucked. They did ! When they took the fiels there was always a loud whoooshing sound. Undeniably so.

But what I have never heard from the so-called experts is the probable reasons for this. They passingly refer to Dab Quinn coming in to "fix" the D without mentioning what broke the D. If a talking head is going to rag on the D at least come up with a plausible explanation of what was happening in 2020. Not even a glossing over of the system that Mike Nolan attempted to implement. I'm submitting that the system was the culprit. No offseason, due to COVID-19, to implement a system with complicated assignments. Any opponent could see this defense was lost and thus power house offenses like WFT and the NYG were hanging large point totals on us.

If Quinn is worth his salt, and I don't know if he is with his hybrid D, this will change. If he gets the effort we should be significantly better. My prognostication on this defense is with more time to implement and teach there will be significant improvement. I also think better interior DL play is one of the main keys.

#2 Zeke is washed up. The Head's narrative: " Under 1,000 yards, only 4yds per carry, slow, very mid-level RB". Never hear the fact this OL was missing 2,3,4 pro-bowlers and at least 2 HOF'ers that are still potentially very high level players. There were multiple OL combinations . . . dozens, with 2nd AND 3rd stringers. Rare would be any RB that would look good. I also think that we will see a different running game this year with more consistency and greater avg. per carry.

I'm looking forward to this year. No playoff predictions, no record predictions but I think we'll see a product on the field that is much better. If I'm wrong then heads need to roll.

Well you cant defend the defense from last year, just a complete dumpster fire !!!!
Now will they be improved, or did we just put a bandaid on it ?
We will have to wait and see,,,,,

 

[75boyz]

Steele and Knight were terrible last season. Martin missed time w/ injuries and was not his hold self when he did play. Biaadazz was not ready and it showed, tho he should be better going forward. We had a bad OL.

Tenn also missed some starters, but were strong up the middle w/ Ben Jones and Saffold providing steadiness and leadership. Dennis Kelly was solid. Quesenberry was passable. Nate Davis was a beast at OG.

Our OLine was worse, and it's not close. In this case, your idea that they two OLines were comparable last season is entirely incorrect.

While I tend to agree with many of ninja's posts, on offensive line play I side with ksk's here.

To go a step further I do not think Steele or Knight are any thing more than overall jags regardless of their experience gained last year.

In my opinion, this entire team's success is based on a full season of healthy play by both tackles and a prime Fredbeard type contribution from Biadasz.

If the o line sucks this year it will look like last year. Regardless of defense, coaching or QB.

My opinion anyway.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Nolan was a turd. Why do you struggle at to admit that? He couldn't sniff a DC job until his friend, McCarthy, pulled him out of moth balls. There were former players who criticized his scheme, etc.

It was a terrible hire.

Show me one coordinator who could succeed with some players who don’t even understand basic high school gap responsibility? Soft LBs who don’t even know if they are in man or zone coverage. Freelancers trying to make a highlight reel vs responsibility.

 

[Sydla]

Show me one coordinator who could succeed with some players who don’t even understand basic high school gap responsibility? Soft LBs who don’t even know if they are in man or zone coverage. Freelancers trying to make a highlight reel vs responsibility.

Marinelli and Richard squeezed more out of low talent defenses. And Nolan put one of the worst defenses in NFL history on the field. It wasn't just that our defense was bad, it was on pace at one point to be the worst in NFL history. If you go back and read some of the criticisms of him by former players, you saw those things pop up with the Cowboys. You bring up the confusion of zone versus man, but that was a criticism leveled at Nolan by former players. Asante Samuel, for example, said he was a mediocre DC and often times the defense was confused because of all the reads Nolan was requiring. Richard Sherman was critical of Nolan's defense and how it was overly complicated and Sherman is no idiot out there as he was one of the smartest NFL players on the field.

So when this was happening at other places, it's hard to then just blame the players here. Nolan was a bad hire. It is downright hilarious that there are fans that think he wasn't.

 

[JoeKing]

Talent is still a problem on defense. If people really think Dan quinn is going to come in here and immediately turn this defense into a top 10 unit, they are mistaken

Dan Quinn's Cowboy defense hasn't played even one snap of real game football. How do you expect to be taken seriously when you won't even show Dan Quinn the respect any of us would expect if we were in his shoes. Notice I'm not saying if you are right or wrong, just that you are way premature in saying it considering they haven't even played yet. It lends you no credibility when you do this in this way. I recommend you go back to the drawing board if you intend to be taken seriously and wait till this Dan Quinn-led defense has played and has a track record before you say these things and expect to be believed. As it stands now, you just look like a bitter hater throwing a temper tantrum.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Steele and Knight were terrible last season. Martin missed time w/ injuries and was not his hold self when he did play. Biaadazz was not ready and it showed, tho he should be better going forward. We had a bad OL.

Tenn also missed some starters, but were strong up the middle w/ Ben Jones and Saffold providing steadiness and leadership. Dennis Kelly was solid. Quesenberry was passable. Nate Davis was a beast at OG.

Our OLine was worse, and it's not close. In this case, your idea that they two OLines were comparable last season is entirely incorrect.

Cut Steele and Knight today and 31 teams would put in waiver claims. Yeah, real terrible. They are not the scapegoats for Elliott gaining only 60 yards per game.

Martin was not his old self when he played? Huh?
Williams was solid again. Looney and Biadasz were decent.

Not a whole lot of difference between the OLs and especially when one factors in how superior the Cowboy WRs were over Titan WRs. And Dak is light years better than Tannehill, right? Dalton is equivalent to Tannehill. You keep telling yourself how Henry beasted because his OL beasted.

Hypothetically switch Henry and Elliott last year. Think Elliott is getting 2000 yards with the Titans last year? Think Henry is getting 900 yards with the Cowboys last year? You were saying?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Marinelli and Richard squeezed more out of low talent defenses. And Nolan put one of the worst defenses in NFL history on the field. It wasn't just that our defense was bad, it was on pace at one point to be the worst in NFL history. If you go back and read some of the criticisms of him by former players, you saw those things pop up with the Cowboys. You bring up the confusion of zone versus man, but that was a criticism leveled at Nolan by former players. Asante Samuel, for example, said he was a mediocre DC and often times the defense was confused because of all the reads Nolan was requiring. Richard Sherman was critical of Nolan's defense and how it was overly complicated and Sherman is no idiot out there as he was one of the smartest NFL players on the field.

So when this was happening at other places, it's hard to then just blame the players here. Nolan was a bad hire. It is downright hilarious that there are fans that think he wasn't.

I never said Nolan was a good hire. Just said he was not the sole reason for the defense performing so poorly up until the bye week. Someone had to be the scapegoat for the players and fans, I guess.

 

[Sydla]

I never said Nolan was a good hire. Just said he was not the sole reason for the defense performing so poorly up until the bye week. Someone had to be the scapegoat for the players and fans, I guess.

He was the biggest reason the defense sucked. Talent was another problem. But it wouldn't have mattered who they had playing last year, Nolan would have gotten the least out of them.

So they fired the biggest problem. It was also the quickest solution to try to fix the defense. You can't fire an entire defensive roster.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

He was the biggest reason the defense sucked. Talent was another problem. But it wouldn't have mattered who they had playing last year, Nolan would have gotten the least out of them.

So they fired the biggest problem. It was also the quickest solution to try to fix the defense. You can't fire an entire defensive roster.

If one needs a scapegoat this year, I am sure it will not be another DC. Can’t go back to that well back to back years.

 

[RS12]

I thought you were going to say decades of over rating the roster.