2010 NFL Draft Primer

dbair1967;3354583 said:
Mosley seems sure its McCourty or Jared Odrick.

I keep thinking it will be McCourty.

With Odrick likely gone, McCourty would give Dallas a lot of versatility in the secondary. He's a good special-teamer and he really, really makes sense if this is Newman's last year in Dallas.

I think they may be comfortable enough with Free at LT and Hamlin/Ball at FS, that they just might go CB with McCourty.

Plus, every year Mosely mentions someone two or three weeks out and seems to be right a lot. Hos had already mentioned him, too.
 
dbair1967;3354583 said:
I think they like Free alot too, but the Charles Brown stuff wont go away. Mosley tends to nail the Dallas draft every year, and he keeps mentioning this guy.
I only saw the guy play twice. In the senior bowl, I wasnt overly impressed. I didnt come away thinking the guy was a sure fire starter this year. Not saying he wont be good, but when you have a propensity to hold, coming to Dallas might be the wosrt thing for you because the refs seem so inclined to call our guys for even the most borderline stuff. He needs quite a bit of technique work IMO.
Before I go any further, you have got to learn how not to stick the extra quoteat the front of posts you are responding to. Man, if cowboyjoe can do it, so can you. It totally screws up everything.

Iupati is their guy if he is there. I don't know what to tell you about the 2 games you saw versus the film breakdown they have done on him.

Pouncey makes more sense to me than Iupati does, because he can play center and guard. If he doesnt start this yr, he's not a wasted pick because he can still be active on game day and be the swing G/C. If Iupati is drafted and doesnt start, he's essentially a waste this yr because he almost assuredly wont be active on game day.
I think Pouncey is a Pittsburgh Steeler and is taken before Iupati.

Mosley seems sure its McCourty or Jared Odrick.
I believe Odrick will be gone and I can absolutely see McCourty. That is why I have him as the #1 option if the two interior linemen are gone. The Ravens love him though. He might go to them at 26.

I dont see them picking McCluster for reasons stated before (he doesnt have a true position, and he wasnt really a good return guy in college, in fact he was below average at it). I also think the top of the 2nd is awful early for the AOA kid.
Yeah, I've read your myriad comments about McCluster and I simply don't agree with them and never have.

It would be nice, but it isnt critical.
To get to the next level as an Offense they need better field position. Look what deeper kickoffs did for the Defense. It is pretty evident these things matter.

Maybe, though I still kinda doubt it.
Hence, why I put "it's all speculation." I can see a move for Bennett more than anyone else.

Have they even showed any interest in Spikes? Havent seen it, and I think he's a guy who could drop like a rock due to his total lack of speed/quickness. I think Lee will be gone well before we pick at the end of round 3.
Yes, there is some interest there. Bryan Broaddus talked about it recently. Lee is coming off a knee injury. He could be around longer than you think.

After our experience with LaFleur, I'd think they will be ultra cautious about a guy like Gronkowski. I also dont believe we'll be picking a TE early unless Bennett is traded.
I think Dickerson is more likely anyway and I am a Gronkowski fan.

Too early for both IMO.
There's no such thing as too early when you are picking at the bottom of a round. if you want someone, like Alualu for instance, then you go get him. You don't wait for him to come to you, you go get him.

Love the Newhouse kid, and not just becauss his uncle played here. Shipley would be an interesting Saturday pick.

Yeah, Connor seems like a very likely target. Although picking another TE and dumping the FB position would be an option too.
Hence Dickerson who can do both.

I think we'll be in a good position if we decide we want to trade down. Several teams that want QB's but dont draft them in the top 10-14 will be willing to move up to the end of round 1 and get one, and that puts us into a nice position. That said, when you trade down you usually get lesser guys. We did that last yr and got very little contribution. This team is really close, I'd think they are putting a premium on finding a couple guys who can fill roles now and help the team this yr, as well as be potential long term solutions.
When a team is close, depth that can be developed is more crucial than immediate starters. That is why guys like Alualu, McCluster, Petrus, Newhouse, etc. are more valuable than a lot of 1st round picks would be.

The other thing almost nobody is talking about is pass rusher. Wade loves those guys, and beyond Ware/Spencer we dont have a proven guy. There's a reason they are kicking around Ellis' name, and probably a reason why Wade was interested enough to be looking at OLB's and noting there's alot of talented guys there in this draft. 4-3 teams keep a number of DE's and usually keep a guy or two who are nickel/dime pass rush type guys. 3-4 teams should have several OLB's. We have a guy coming off an ACL, a special teamer, and a project that the coaches dont seem all that enamored with. I really wouldnt be shocked to see us add another pass rusher early. Especially if they get caught with an early pick, cant trade up/down and a 3-4 OLB is significantly rated higher than other guys still available. That guy would have a role on gamedays, and we know they've been saying reducing Ware's reps on a week to week basis is something they'd like to do.
Hence why I think we are quite high on Alualu, who can play all 3 DL positions and is a decent pass rusher as well.
 
Hostile;3354627 said:
Before I go any further, you have got to learn how not to stick the extra quoteat the front of posts you are responding to. Man, if cowboyjoe can do it, so can you. It totally screws up everything.

Like this?

Iupati is their guy if he is there. I don't know what to tell you about the 2 games you saw versus the film breakdown they have done on him.
We'll see, not dounting they like the guy. Just dont know if they'd definitely pick him over some of the other guys unless they absolutely believe he is gonna start now.

I think Pouncey is a Pittsburgh Steeler and is taken before Iupati.
Yeah good possibility.

Yeah, I've read your myriad comments about McCluster and I simply don't agree with them and never have.
Well the numbers dont lie about the return stuff, he did do it. And wasnt good at it. Then got replaced at it by a coach who shows no shyness about putting his best guys out there on kick returns (see Felix Jones, McFadden). If we didnt have the 3 RB's we had, I would think it'd be more of a possibility. He isnt going to play ahead of any of them, and he probably isnt supplanting any of the top 3 or 4 WR's this year.

To get to the next level as an Offense they need better field position. Look what deeper kickoffs did for the Defense. It is pretty evident these things matter.
It definitely helps, so would forcing more turnovers. Which is why I think FS would be at the top of the list, or a CB that could potentially make more plays than Scandrick as a slot CB. Possibly allowing Scandrick to move to S.

Hence, why I put "it's all speculation." I can see a move for Bennett more than anyone else.
Agree on that.

There's no such thing as too early when you are picking at the bottom of a round. if you want someone, like Alualu for instance, then you go get him. You don't wait for him to come to you, you go get him.
This is both true and untrue. If you love a guy and think he fits what you want to do, you take him. On the other hand overdrafting a guy and passing up numerous other higher rated prospects is usually a recipe for mediocrity.

Hence Dickerson who can do both.
I think he can be an H-Back, but virtually every comment on his blocking is bad. It ranges from he's bad at it, totally disinterested in it or makes no effort at it.m So I'm not sure if he's really a FB prospect.

When a team is close, depth that can be developed is more crucial than immediate starters. That is why guys like Alualu, McCluster, Petrus, Newhouse, etc. are more valuable than a lot of 1st round picks would be.
If you think your one player away, and can get that player you think puts you over the top, you try to get that guy. Depth is valuable too, but teams that are close are usually the teams that have decent depth already too.

Hence why I think we are quite high on Alualu, who can play all 3 DL positions and is a decent pass rusher as well.
He seems like a safe pick. Probably not a ton of upside, but not much risk of being a bust either.
 
Chief;3354612 said:
I keep thinking it will be McCourty.

With Odrick likely gone, McCourty would give Dallas a lot of versatility in the secondary. He's a good special-teamer and he really, really makes sense if this is Newman's last year in Dallas.

I think they may be comfortable enough with Free at LT and Hamlin/Ball at FS, that they just might go CB with McCourty.

Plus, every year Mosely mentions someone two or three weeks out and seems to be right a lot. Hos had already mentioned him, too.

Mosley was talking draft at the very end of GAC just about 25 minutes ago and when asked to name the one player they'd take, he went with McCourty.

And on Dickerson, check out the scouts' comments on him in the thread Big Dakota started. That scout said exactly what I think, that Dickerson has no position. He's way too small to play TE or even FB, and like the scout said, he's maxed out on muscle already. That scout said he was really an overgrown receiver.
 
Hostile;3354670 said:
dbair1967;3354654 said:
No. Don't add it at all. It automatically is done right. By adding one you make it look all screwed up like above.

You don't see how that is messed up?

That one yes, the other one that you mentioned before, no.
 
Chocolate Lab;3354672 said:
Mosley was talking draft at the very end of GAC just about 25 minutes ago and when asked to name the one player they'd take, he went with McCourty.

And on Dickerson, check out the scouts' comments on him in the thread Big Dakota started. That scout said exactly what I think, that Dickerson has no position. He's way too small to play TE or even FB, and like the scout said, he's maxed out on muscle already. That scout said he was really an overgrown receiver.

That was my comment a few weeks ago, that he really doesnt fit anywhere unless you think he can be a fulltime WR, in which case he has a number of flaws. He ran really fast at the combine, but almost none of the scouting reports have speed or ability to get deep/separation as a plus for him. He could possibly be a move/h back kind of player, but he'd be a real liability on running plays in that set because of his blocking problems.
 
dbair1967;3354654 said:
We'll see, not dounting they like the guy. Just dont know if they'd definitely pick him over some of the other guys unless they absolutely believe he is gonna start now.
I think he is a starter. Not a doubt in my mind. Too big, too nasty, and too physical to be beaten once he gets acclimated.

Well the numbers dont lie about the return stuff, he did do it. And wasnt good at it. Then got replaced at it by a coach who shows no shyness about putting his best guys out there on kick returns (see Felix Jones, McFadden). If we didnt have the 3 RB's we had, I would think it'd be more of a possibility. He isnt going to play ahead of any of them, and he probably isnt supplanting any of the top 3 or 4 WR's this year.
We'll have to agree to disagree, because I know for a fact most scouts see him as a Return Specialist and slot WR moreso than as a RB. They see him as a Wildcat option as well. In other words, an all around weapon.

It definitely helps, so would forcing more turnovers. Which is why I think FS would be at the top of the list, or a CB that could potentially make more plays than Scandrick as a slot CB. Possibly allowing Scandrick to move to S.
Scandrcik nearly already moved to the Star Position which is basically similar to what Tom Landry did with Cornell Green.

This is both true and untrue. If you love a guy and think he fits what you want to do, you take him. On the other hand overdrafting a guy and passing up numerous other higher rated prospects is usually a recipe for mediocrity.
I don't agree with that at all. Getting guys you know can fit your system as opposed to seeing them go to someone else, a la Max Unger is a recipe for mediocrity.

I think he can be an H-Back, but virtually every comment on his blocking is bad. It ranges from he's bad at it, totally disinterested in it or makes no effort at it.m So I'm not sure if he's really a FB prospect.
Actually I have read just about every scouting report on him and the comments are that he is an under rated blocker, in other words better than given credit for.

If you think your one player away, and can get that player you think puts you over the top, you try to get that guy. Depth is valuable too, but teams that are close are usually the teams that have decent depth already too.
I don't believe in the concept of one player away any more. I believe you build a nucleus of power and don't flinch.
 
Hostile;3354670 said:
That one yes, the other one that you mentioned before, no.
That's because I edited both of them. Just like I am going to have to go back and edit this one because of the error of adding a quote. It throws off every reply after it.
 
Hostile;3354688 said:
That's because I edited both of them. Just like I am going to have to go back and edit this one because of the error of adding a quote. It throws off every reply after it.

so is this one right?
 
dbair1967;3354691 said:
so is this one right?
Absolutely. Just don't add another quote at the beginning and they will all be right. You only need to add beginning and closing quotes when you are splitting up a long quote to reply to various parts and then only at the end of each part followed by the beginning of the next part.
 
Have you gotten new info re: Martellus? In a PM you told me they love Marty.


B/C if theyd trade him Id use him and a later pick to get up for Iupati
 
MarionBarberThe4th;3354903 said:
Have you gotten new info re: Martellus? In a PM you told me they love Marty.


B/C if theyd trade him Id use him and a later pick to get up for Iupati

If they trade Bennett and draft picks to move up for a guard, my TV might end up in a few hundred pieces.
 
dbair1967;3354906 said:
If they trade Bennett and draft picks to move up for a guard, my TV might end up in a few hundred pieces.

Where would this team be w/o Martellus Bennet?

Potential!
 
MarionBarberThe4th;3354903 said:
Have you gotten new info re: Martellus? In a PM you told me they love Marty.


B/C if theyd trade him Id use him and a later pick to get up for Iupati
If they trade him it will not be to move up in the 1st round unless it is for Rolando McClain. It is far more likely that if traded it would be for a 3rd.
 
MarionBarberThe4th;3354907 said:
Where would this team be w/o Martellus Bennet?

Potential!

He's worth alot more than being used as a throw-in to trade up for an interior OL that might not even start a game this yr, and might even be inactive for every game barring an injury.
 
dbair1967;3354909 said:
He's worth alot more than being used as a throw-in to trade up for an interior OL that might not even start a game this yr, and might even be inactive for every game barring an injury.

Id trade our 2nd or 3rd TE for a Chris Snee/Steve Huchinson type talent, yes.

Theres like 6 guys we should be targeting in R2, maybe if one of them falls to early R3 we can get up for them there.
 
Hos, I agree with your post 100% as to what we will do and who we are targeting. Good Job!
 
Hos: I enjoy posts like this prior to the draft. It helps to put it into perspective for me.....where's Sdogo's? :)

Jerry loves McCluster so I can see that pick happening if we can trade down. There is a lot of value to be had with an extra pick or two......

I don't see the Pats wanting MartyB they are all over Gronkowski, though they maybe calling if he's gone.

No mention of a NT. Do they think enough of Siaivi to keep him?
 
Arch Stanton;3355331 said:
Hos: I enjoy posts like this prior to the draft. It helps to put it into perspective for me.....where's Sdogo's? :)

Jerry loves McCluster so I can see that pick happening if we can trade down. There is a lot of value to be had with an extra pick or two......

I don't see the Pats wanting MartyB they are all over Gronkowski, though they maybe calling if he's gone.

No mention of a NT. Do they think enough of Siaivi to keep him?
Alualu plays all three DL positions.
 

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