2019 Roster on Defense with Jimmy in 1992

[Flamma]

The concept is NOT that the 2019 roster would be better.

The concept of the thread is that Jimmy could win with the 2019 roster (if they stayed healthy).

James Washington was a journeyman type player. He did his job but the coaching and surrounding players elevated his play.

I actually agree with you. If not the SB then I can see 12-4 and in the mix. Coaching can make a big difference, just look at the KC Chiefs. Last year they went 12-4 and came one penalty away from going to the SB and their defense was every bit as bad as the Cowboys D from 2011-2013. The Cowboys had a pretty damn good offense those years too but went 8-8 in all 3. Coaching matters.

 

[sunalsorises]

Is Issiac Holt the only guy Dallas kept from the Walker trade?

 

[Runwildboys]

^ THIS

Tony Tolbert was one of my favorites and very underrated. Speaking of Tolbert in 1992, here’s Week 3 vs Cardinals. Tolbert steals QB Chris Chandler’s soul at the 1:25:35 mark. It’s worth the trouble of fast forwarding to find it, trust me... and the instant replays are exquisite. Lol



p.s. This is the whole game, so sorry that I couldn’t find a smaller clip. It’s also the game where Michael Irvin went CRAZY for over 200 yds and 3 TD’s. His 87 yarder in the first quarter is a thing of beauty.

If last year's team had done that, they'd still be celebrating, but to Tolbert and Casillas it was just another day at the office.

 

[xwalker]

Is Issiac Holt the only guy Dallas kept from the Walker trade?

The only one that lasted more than 2 seasons.

Jimmy didn't start Holt in 1989 because there were conditional picks attached to it.

Holt was released after the 92 season in a Jimmy/Curvin-Richards/John-Roper type statement cut because he complained about something.

They had drafted Pup in 92 and 91 12th round pick Larry Brown had become a starter as a rookie.

The fact that Jimmy made Larry Brown into a starter on Super Bowl teans was amazing. Larry Brown had very limited talent. Far less than 2019 players Jones, Awuzie or Anthony Brown. Coaching matters.

Jesse Soloman played for a season two.

Same with DL David Howard.

RB Darrin Nelson refused to report and was traded.

A DE Alex Stewart was with the team a little while but never on the 53 man roster.

 

[SSoup]

Sorry, but Jimmy would have floundered with our 2019 defense.

He needed more depth and better pass-rushing than our 2019 defense had.

 

[xwalker]

Sorry, but Jimmy would have floundered with our 2019 defense.

He needed more depth and better pass-rushing than our 2019 defense had.

Most fans can't project anything. If a player was a B minus in 2019 then that player will be a B minus in all other circumstances.

It's like fans watching Safeties.. Most fans just can't envision what would have happened if a Safety took a different angle because the RB would also have taken a different angle in response.

 

[SSoup]

Most fans can't project anything. If a player was a B minus in 2019 then that player will be a B minus in all other circumstances.

It's like fans watching Safeties.. Most fans just can't envision what would have happened if a Safety took a different angle because the RB would also have taken a different angle in response.

What I can envision is this: Jimmy's never taken over someone else's team and gotten immediate steps forward in results out of them.

That's just not how his coaching EVER worked.

There are guys whose strength is scheming, where you hand them someone else's underachieving team, and they know how to put them in the right position to squeeze immediate results out of them.

Jimmy didn't do that in Dallas. Jimmy didn't do that in Miami. That's not the coach Jimmy was.

 

[nightrain]

That roster was loaded. Great defensive unit. The Cowboys have not even sniffed anything like that since.

 

[kskboys]

I say Jimmy could have made the Super Bowl with the starting roster the Cowboys had to begin the 2019 season if all players were healthy.

Jimmy really only had a couple of Super Star players on the 92 defense.
Charles Haley
Ken Norton
CB Kevin Smith was a great player but was a rookie in 92 with 6 starts.
Russell Maryland was a top draft pick, but just OK when he departed the Cowboys.

Coaching makes a difference. A big difference.

I have to disagree w/ you on this one.

Firstly, Casillas was a super star and a game changer. Secondly, you simply cannot evaluate a roster by counting super stars. Thirdly, Jimmie Jones and Leon Lett were game changers, albeit not starters.

Oh, and another super star you forgot because he didn't start. Jim Jeffcoat had 10.5 sacks for that team. He had another 2 in the playoffs that year.

That D was stacked. Jimmie and Leon would easily start for us and most teams today.

 

[kskboys]

Your the only one that would take D Law over Haley! D Law has played okay in some big games, but Haley was dominant in big games. Haley played a big game, D Law talks a big game!

Yeah, that was nuts. Haley would beat a triple team, and often did.

 

[kskboys]

Only three players I'd take from the 2019 team over the 1992 team by position, byron Jones over Larry Brown at corner, Dlaw over Tony Tolbert at defensive end and Sean lee over Robert Jones at middle linebacker

Tolbert is not only DLaw's equal, he didn't have injury issues.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Tolbert is not only DLaw's equal, he didn't have injury issues.

The reason I put DLaw above Tolbert slightly is because he's better againt the run than Tolbert....Tony Tolbert had constant knee problems in his career, He was primarily a pass rush specialist/linebacker tweener that developed into a pretty good run stopper but he benefited greatly from Haley on the other side and a stout interior defensive tackle rotation..Not one defensive tackle on the 2019 team would make the third string on the 1992 team

 

[kskboys]

The reason I put DLaw above Tolbert slightly is because he's better againt the run than Tolbert....Tony Tolbert had constant knee problems in his career, He was primarily a pass rush specialist/linebacker tweener that developed into a pretty good run stopper but he benefited greatly from Haley on the other side and a stout interior defensive tackle rotation..Not one defensive tackle on the 2019 team would make the third string on the 1992 team

Inclined to agree.

Not even close. Lett/Hennings/Jimmie Jones would all have been huge upgrades on our DL as starters, and they were backkups.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Washington and Everett are light years better than Heath and Woods. Not even close

Say it again for the people in the back.

 

[fivetwos]

Makes me wonder what Jimmy would have done with the "hot boyz" or whatever they call themselves.

I call them the "home in January" boys.

Yeah that 92 defense really could have used Jaylon and his self proclaimed "brand," and his ballerina act while trying to find the ball.

 

[Risen Star]

You really have to be clueless to think this defense, even just the starters, is anything like the 92 version.

 

[TexasBoys2288]

That’s not even the biggest discrepancy. Charles Haley can replace our entire D Line

Haley was THE badass of the 90's. The man was a beast.

 

[DFWJC]

Only three players I'd take from the 2019 team over the 1992 team by position, byron Jones over Larry Brown at corner, Dlaw over Tony Tolbert at defensive end and Sean lee over Robert Jones at middle linebacker

I would not take 2019 Sean Lee over 1992 Robert Jones. He missed some time that year but was a tackling machine. Still had 108 tackles and some turnovers.
Definitely would take Lee in his prime though

 

[GMO415]

Jimmy would have won two SBs with this team.

 

[kskboys]

You really have to be clueless to think this defense, even just the starters, is anything like the 92 version.

Jeffcoat was a backup DE on that team, and he's better than our starters.