2020 Compensation Picks

[Kaiser]

@stasheroo was commenting on Maliek Collins in another thread as a guy that could have a (conveniently timed) breakout year right before hitting FA. Broaddus has an article on DC.com today saying he is 100% healthy and looking great in OTA's. He could easily have a good year and net us a compensation pick when he signs elsewhere. When he does Trysten Hill should be ready to replace him.

The advantage of the terrific depth this team has is that they don't have to overpay inhouse players who are hitting FA unless they want to. For next season you could have the contract year players do well, sign elsewhere so the team collects a compensation pick and still replace them with a player as good or better.

Examples of that for next season:

Maliek Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced by Trysten Hill.

La'el Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced (at OG) by Conner McGovern

Robert Quinn - gain a 5th round comp pick - replaced by Armstrong/Gregory/Taco

Randall Cobb - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Anthony Brown - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jourdan Lewis or Michael Jackson

Tavon Austin - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Cameron Fleming - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by a rookie


Comp picks are cancelled out by signing outside FAs yourself. Also guys like Byron Jones, Chris Covington, Allen Hurns, Iloka and Sua-Filo are FAs after this year but I doubt they figure in. But we could potentially end up with a lot of comp picks as a result of the depth the Cowboys have built up.

 

[jujoboys]

@stasheroo was commenting on Maliek Collins in another thread as a guy that could have a (conveniently timed) breakout year right before hitting FA. Broaddus has an article on DC.com today saying he is 100% healthy and looking great in OTA's. He could easily have a good year and net us a compensation pick when he signs elsewhere. When he does Trysten Hill should be ready to replace him.

The advantage of the terrific depth this team has is that they don't have to overpay inhouse players who are hitting FA unless they want to. For next season you could have the contract year players do well, sign elsewhere so the team collects a compensation pick and still replace them with a player as good or better.

Examples of that for next season:

Maliek Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced by Trysten Hill.

La'el Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced (at OG) by Conner McGovern

Robert Quinn - gain a 5th round comp pick - replaced by Armstrong/Gregory/Taco

Randall Cobb - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Anthony Brown - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jourdan Lewis or Michael Jackson

Tavon Austin - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Cameron Fleming - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by a rookie


Comp picks are cancelled out by signing your own FAs, also guys like Byron Jones, Chris Covington, Allen Hurns, Iloka and Sua-Filo are FAs after this year but I doubt they figure in. But we could potentially end up with a lot of comp picks as a result of the depth the Cowboys have built up.

I am pretty sure they limit the amount of comp picks to 4 each year. Also, I hope we find better replacement options for Robert Quinn if he leaves via free agency.

 

[Sydla]

Just for clarification in case some get confused, while these guys are FA in 2020, the comp picks wouldn't be granted until the 2021 draft.

 

[Kaiser]

I am pretty sure they limit the amount of comp picks to 4 each year. Also, I hope we find better replacement options for Robert Quinn if he leaves via free agency.

It is limited plus a pick is cancelled out if you sign a player for a similar contract. But its highly unlikely we would sign someone for the contracts Maliek Collins and Lael Collins would get - and with this many players you have a good shot at getting at least 2 or 3 comp picks.

I may be underselling Quinn but I think one of Armstrong, Gregory or Taco will develop into a player that can give you similar production. YMMV.

 

[jazzcat22]

@stasheroo was commenting on Maliek Collins in another thread as a guy that could have a (conveniently timed) breakout year right before hitting FA. Broaddus has an article on DC.com today saying he is 100% healthy and looking great in OTA's. He could easily have a good year and net us a compensation pick when he signs elsewhere. When he does Trysten Hill should be ready to replace him.

The advantage of the terrific depth this team has is that they don't have to overpay inhouse players who are hitting FA unless they want to. For next season you could have the contract year players do well, sign elsewhere so the team collects a compensation pick and still replace them with a player as good or better.

Examples of that for next season:

Maliek Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced by Trysten Hill.

La'el Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced (at OG) by Conner McGovern

Robert Quinn - gain a 5th round comp pick - replaced by Armstrong/Gregory/Taco

Randall Cobb - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Anthony Brown - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jourdan Lewis or Michael Jackson

Tavon Austin - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Cameron Fleming - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by a rookie


Comp picks are cancelled out by signing your own FAs, also guys like Byron Jones, Chris Covington, Allen Hurns, Iloka and Sua-Filo are FAs after this year but I doubt they figure in. But we could potentially end up with a lot of comp picks as a result of the depth the Cowboys have built up.

Signing your own FA players do not cancel out comp picks. It is when you sign another teams FA's.
And the have to be a qualified offer of around $1 million per year, which may get you a 7th round comp pick.

Limit to 4 per team, however they only give out a so many total.

 

[Kaiser]

Signing your own FA players do not cancel out comp picks. It is when you sign another teams FA's.

I phrased that badly, the point is obvious but I edited the post to make it clear.

And the NFL limits the number of comp picks at 32, but its common for one team to get 2 or 3. I don't think the minimum offers are an issue for the guys listed, they already make significantly more than that.

 

[jazzcat22]

Also a team may have 3 players eligible for a comp pick, but may only get 2 comp picks.

I forget the limit they give out total. Say it is 100. You may have 3 player difference, and that 3rd player signed for $1.2 million per year, but he is ranked the 105th on the list of 100, as the 100th player is getting $1.3 million, so those next players do not count.

 

[jazzcat22]

I phrased that badly, the point is obvious but I edited the post to make it clear.

And the NFL limits the number of comp picks at 32, but its common for one team to get 2 or 3. I don't think the minimum offers are an issue for the guys listed, they already make significantly more than that.

Wow, only 32 picks, I was thinking it was more around 60. thanks.

 

[jazzcat22]

I phrased that badly, the point is obvious but I edited the post to make it clear.

And the NFL limits the number of comp picks at 32, but its common for one team to get 2 or 3. I don't think the minimum offers are an issue for the guys listed, they already make significantly more than that.

We could still end up with 4 comp picks, if the depth pans out like we hope it does. Many players on a 1 year prove it deal, or in the last year of their contracts. So if they all play well, they could sign for some decent contracts.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Getting an early jump on thinking about next off season and the one after that........

 

[jterrell]

@stasheroo was commenting on Maliek Collins in another thread as a guy that could have a (conveniently timed) breakout year right before hitting FA. Broaddus has an article on DC.com today saying he is 100% healthy and looking great in OTA's. He could easily have a good year and net us a compensation pick when he signs elsewhere. When he does Trysten Hill should be ready to replace him.

The advantage of the terrific depth this team has is that they don't have to overpay inhouse players who are hitting FA unless they want to. For next season you could have the contract year players do well, sign elsewhere so the team collects a compensation pick and still replace them with a player as good or better.

Examples of that for next season:

Maliek Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced by Trysten Hill.

La'el Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced (at OG) by Conner McGovern

Robert Quinn - gain a 5th round comp pick - replaced by Armstrong/Gregory/Taco

Randall Cobb - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Anthony Brown - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jourdan Lewis or Michael Jackson

Tavon Austin - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Cameron Fleming - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by a rookie


Comp picks are cancelled out by signing outside FAs yourself. Also guys like Byron Jones, Chris Covington, Allen Hurns, Iloka and Sua-Filo are FAs after this year but I doubt they figure in. But we could potentially end up with a lot of comp picks as a result of the depth the Cowboys have built up.

This is something good teams have been doing for a while.
Now that the picks are trade-able it is even more obvious.

You get younger, cheaper and increase the primary resource to get younger and cheaper.
It's like rich people getting richer.

Draft well and build depth, use depth to add comp picks.
Pay less street FA's which are ones most often overpaid.
Let guys go who are essentially equal to much cheaper in house guys.
Go draft well again with even more picks.

 

[jterrell]

Also a team may have 3 players eligible for a comp pick, but may only get 2 comp picks.

I forget the limit they give out total. Say it is 100. You may have 3 player difference, and that 3rd player signed for $1.2 million per year, but he is ranked the 105th on the list of 100, as the 100th player is getting $1.3 million, so those next players do not count.

100 means an average of 3 extra picks PER team.
If you aren't getting 2-3 picks per year you are probably falling behind.
Late 7th have much less weight than round 4 picks but they all matter.
Letting a guy walk that doesn't qualify almost certainly makes you cheaper and younger even if you do not get a pick comp.
Roster churn is a primary tool for NE.

 

[J12B]

We have Fleming under contract next year. So, if he is released, he will not be eligible for a comp pick.

I'm predicting 3rd round comp picks for La'el Collins and Byron Jones as well.

 

[Kaiser]

This is something good teams have been doing for a while.
Now that the picks are trade-able it is even more obvious.

That's a great point but I think a scenario where they get two Comp 4's and a Comp 6 would be more likely for them to trade down rather than trading up.

If you look at those draft trade charts, two late 4's and a late 6 is only enough value to move up to the top of the 4th. A comp 3, 4 and 6 gets you to the middle of the 3rd, I think they would sit tight at those spots rather than trading.

 

[MaaS]

Considering Trent Brown signed a 4 year 66 million contract, it's possible that Collins nets us a 3rd. It's insane, but a good year could make him a top 3 highest paid olineman in the league.

 

[Kaiser]

We have Fleming under contract next year. So, if he is released, he will not be eligible for a comp pick.

Fleming's second year is a team option but at 4.5 Million, which the team is likely to decline. If they do he becomes a FA and eligible for comp pick compensation.

I think Byron Jones will be resigned but who knows, also I would love to see Collins bring back a 3rd round pick but its rare for those to be awarded. It takes a huge contract to trigger it.

 

[jterrell]

That's a great point but I think a scenario where they get two Comp 4's and a Comp 6 would be more likely for them to trade down rather than trading up.

If you look at those draft trade charts, two late 4's and a late 6 is only enough value to move up to the top of the 4th. A comp 3, 4 and 6 gets you to the middle of the 3rd, I think they would sit tight at those spots rather than trading.

NE has been the king of this. They stack comp picks and then make trades.
Now that a team can trade comp picks it just gets juicier. You can go either up or down really.
Depends on if you have 8-9 picks already and want to simply move up a bit for a faller or sit with 5-6 picks and need more bodies.

It's really helpful if you wanna move up 5-6 spots an jump someone who likes same dude as you in that round.

 

[GenoT]

We like the complimentary-pick prospects of our guys.

 

[waldoputty]

@stasheroo was commenting on Maliek Collins in another thread as a guy that could have a (conveniently timed) breakout year right before hitting FA. Broaddus has an article on DC.com today saying he is 100% healthy and looking great in OTA's. He could easily have a good year and net us a compensation pick when he signs elsewhere. When he does Trysten Hill should be ready to replace him.

The advantage of the terrific depth this team has is that they don't have to overpay inhouse players who are hitting FA unless they want to. For next season you could have the contract year players do well, sign elsewhere so the team collects a compensation pick and still replace them with a player as good or better.

Examples of that for next season:

Maliek Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced by Trysten Hill.

La'el Collins - gain a 4th round comp pick - replaced (at OG) by Conner McGovern

Robert Quinn - gain a 5th round comp pick - replaced by Armstrong/Gregory/Taco

Randall Cobb - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Anthony Brown - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jourdan Lewis or Michael Jackson

Tavon Austin - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by Jon'Vea Johnson or another rookie

Cameron Fleming - gain a 6th round comp pick - replaced by a rookie


Comp picks are cancelled out by signing outside FAs yourself. Also guys like Byron Jones, Chris Covington, Allen Hurns, Iloka and Sua-Filo are FAs after this year but I doubt they figure in. But we could potentially end up with a lot of comp picks as a result of the depth the Cowboys have built up.

if a rde salary only result in a 5th round pick, i suspect we are keeping him.

 

[AsthmaField]

This is something good teams have been doing for a while.
Now that the picks are trade-able it is even more obvious.

You get younger, cheaper and increase the primary resource to get younger and cheaper.
It's like rich people getting richer.

Draft well and build depth, use depth to add comp picks.
Pay less street FA's which are ones most often overpaid.
Let guys go who are essentially equal to much cheaper in house guys.
Go draft well again with even more picks.

Yep. It’s exactly what good franchises do in the salary cap era. You have to draft really well to be able to do it though. Dallas is probably the best in the league at getting their guys through the draft. They have been nailing it pretty much every year for the last decade.

Dallas is really good at finding talent and have their salary cap in very good order. They’re doing it right.

And some fans still call the Cowboys a “dysfunctional” franchise. When I read that on here I always get a chuckle. Those fans are still living in 2002.