2023 Dallas Cowboys Defense - Another Doomsday?

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(Erm... I reserve the right to change my opinion if #11 gets hurt or anything unforeseen happens! :muttley: )

I've seen enough! This Defense is going to be great! Parcells and his 3-4 Crew were the only Defense we had since the1992-1995 Dynasty to bring out some of that old tough Doomsday. Every year, the talk is about the offense. I get it, they sell more tickets. But this is the year of the Defense. Tell the offense not to cough it up, and let this D rule the roost.

Exhibit A. Proven track record. Two years in a row leading the NFL in forced turnovers which is a Cowboys first. We saw them fix their biggest opportunity - stopping the rush - by end of year. This team's pass rush is lethal and we saw it many times on the TV. We saw them play clutch last year against San Francisco in the Playoffs. If all we ask of Dak is not throw an interception, and our kicker to make his XP, that's a 13-13 game! Message last year: You have to be a Defense that can win a season. Don't wait on the Offense or Special Teams.

Exhibit B. Depth. Stephon Gilmore told LeSean McCoy in a candid moment that this defense is STACKED. The same man who played with those New England Patriots Super Bowl teams was blown away at how much talent was on this defense. Was watching V-Loch's latest YouTube video that was about the defense. He makes a good point. In the first half, even with ugly plays like Turpin's fumble, this Defense with all 2nd stringers was still hanging in the game with the Jaguars and their alleged top 10 QB, and up and coming young roster. Osa was in for a few plays, Clark, who is considered a starter right now, played... and that's it. Our backups looked like they could hang with starters!

Exhibit C. Holes fixed. Last year holes - stop the run and CB depth after injuries. Hankins reports to be in great shape. Mazi doesn't show any signs of being a bust. Clarke has a year of experience and looks good, Overshown is one of our best rookies this year so the off-ball LBs are ready now. And the CB unit added Gilmore, Bland is the real deal, and we STILL have Lewis on the roster, and A.Brown un-signed as insurance if anything goes wrong.

Exhibit D. Swag. D-Ware told the media this defense is going to be unstoppable this year - run or pass. D-Ware talks a lot of smack, but yesterday in the Big Mac PC, Coach told the media that Tank is having the best TC since McCarthy has coached the team. Direct quote from many players on that 90's Dynasty - "They played intense on gameday because they practiced intense." The other day, Parsons and Company were trying to bully the offense. Diggs is not afraid to get in the QB's grill. I hope this is not waste of time nonsense, and instead the D bringing the intensity up.
 

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Probably best to wait until the real games start before crowning them. You may not mind having to retract bold statements, but I find it a tad bit embarrassing.
 

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Probably best to wait until the real games start before crowning them. You may not mind having to retract bold statements, but I find it a tad bit embarrassing.
Yes, the anointing oil is out and in full display. But I don't think it's a stretch at all to say this will be the best defense in the NFL this year.
 

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7 Games last year with these qb's starting/playing

Gardner Minshew, Joshua Dobbs, Sam Howell, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Davis Mills/Jeff Driskel, Justin Fields

This year those qb's in place of those bad one's will be Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Tua, Justin Herbert, mac Jones and Brock Purdy.

but hey I guess you still have those games against bryce young, sam howell and colt mccoy.

I would say let the season playout before declaring anything.
 

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Last year the Cowboys allowed 342 points or 20.1 point per game. Their offense is good enough to win a lot of games again this year if they match that number.

Something to consider: The Commanders allowed 343, the Eagles allowed 344, the Saints 345, the Stealers 346, the Pats 347 and the Jags 350. Do we hear talk of their defenses being as elite as the Cowboys?
 

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(Erm... I reserve the right to change my opinion if #11 gets hurt or anything unforeseen happens! :muttley: )

I've seen enough! This Defense is going to be great! Parcells and his 3-4 Crew were the only Defense we had since the1992-1995 Dynasty to bring out some of that old tough Doomsday. Every year, the talk is about the offense. I get it, they sell more tickets. But this is the year of the Defense. Tell the offense not to cough it up, and let this D rule the roost.

Exhibit A. Proven track record. Two years in a row leading the NFL in forced turnovers which is a Cowboys first. We saw them fix their biggest opportunity - stopping the rush - by end of year. This team's pass rush is lethal and we saw it many times on the TV. We saw them play clutch last year against San Francisco in the Playoffs. If all we ask of Dak is not throw an interception, and our kicker to make his XP, that's a 13-13 game! Message last year: You have to be a Defense that can win a season. Don't wait on the Offense or Special Teams.

Exhibit B. Depth. Stephon Gilmore told LeSean McCoy in a candid moment that this defense is STACKED. The same man who played with those New England Patriots Super Bowl teams was blown away at how much talent was on this defense. Was watching V-Loch's latest YouTube video that was about the defense. He makes a good point. In the first half, even with ugly plays like Turpin's fumble, this Defense with all 2nd stringers was still hanging in the game with the Jaguars and their alleged top 10 QB, and up and coming young roster. Osa was in for a few plays, Clark, who is considered a starter right now, played... and that's it. Our backups looked like they could hang with starters!

Exhibit C. Holes fixed. Last year holes - stop the run and CB depth after injuries. Hankins reports to be in great shape. Mazi doesn't show any signs of being a bust. Clarke has a year of experience and looks good, Overshown is one of our best rookies this year so the off-ball LBs are ready now. And the CB unit added Gilmore, Bland is the real deal, and we STILL have Lewis on the roster, and A.Brown un-signed as insurance if anything goes wrong.

Exhibit D. Swag. D-Ware told the media this defense is going to be unstoppable this year - run or pass. D-Ware talks a lot of smack, but yesterday in the Big Mac PC, Coach told the media that Tank is having the best TC since McCarthy has coached the team. Direct quote from many players on that 90's Dynasty - "They played intense on gameday because they practiced intense." The other day, Parsons and Company were trying to bully the offense. Diggs is not afraid to get in the QB's grill. I hope this is not waste of time nonsense, and instead the D bringing the intensity up.
Love the defense, but until they don't choke in the 4th quarter of playoff games and make big mistakes, they cant be on the same level as Doomsday.
 

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Last year the Cowboys allowed 342 points or 20.1 point per game. Their offense is good enough to win a lot of games again this year if they match that number.

Something to consider: The Commanders allowed 343, the Eagles allowed 344, the Saints 345, the Stealers 346, the Pats 347 and the Jags 350. Do we hear talk of their defenses being as elite as the Cowboys?
The thing is if we're talking about monikers and and labeling this elite defense with a name.

Go look at the top ten defenses of all time they all gave up under 13 yards per game.. They literally shut down offenses, shut them completely down,very boring games to watch

this defense has yet to do that, we watched them blow leads in Jacksonville and Green Bay on the road and then that gets hung on Prescott you got the original poster blaming Prescott for the interception that could have kept a game 13-13 well what about the interception that Trayvon diggs doesn't make and the big hit Trayvon diggs doesn't get and even if it wasn't diggs, that isn't even his guy how does hey tight end get that far downfield and make it catch

like that where was all the pressure?? there was also a drive where they ran the ball at about close to five yards per carry and I get it if they were on the field a long time this defense was very good but it's not elite it has not arrived. I know we're in a different era but I think the top defense of all time gave up like 10.8 yards per game over an entire season.

If you want to get a name that's what you got to do holding the team to 19 points isn't good enough if you want a name that's what we're saying if two interceptions loses you a game then why is it that recently the Rams had a quarterback throw 20 or receptions in a year and two in the Super bowl and somehow, they won the game that's what a great team does

great teams are not perfect great teams are able to cover their mistakes up in all three levels plus coaching they don't worry about blaming the quarterback for two interceptions they just go out and they play better and harder the rest of the game.
Yes yes most of the blame goes to the offense for that loss against the 49ers however there's plenty of other blame to go around and this defense is not elite it has not arrived and I'm sorry there is no post you can keep blaming Prescott but we've seen even Troy throw interceptions and be behind in a game in the Super bowl and some other team bailed them out we've seen the great Tom Brady throw 3 interceptions and looked like trash in the NFC championship game and his team bailed him out that's what great teams do..

People need to be honest this team is not great yet it's very good the defense is not elite yet offense defense special teams and coaching still have a lot of work to do to be considered great and they need to do it when it counts in the biggest games and I can find all three phases has plays they wish they had back and they didn't make or they made mistakes including the wide receiver who Michael Gallup didn't run the correct route and the reason that first interception happened was because he didn't break his route off correctly they were not on the same page and yeah he stood there and watched the ball and they said they didn't even try to go break it up didn't even make an effort to go back to the spot he was supposed to be in in the first place.

So yes we lost as a team even though the defense played better than the offense and special teams there were lots of problems you're asking a quarterback to play perfectly when he has no offensive line and no run game.. Also where was the other skill players besides CD lamb making plays you know the ones like Dalton shultz making two boneheaded mental mistakes on that three minute drive towards the end of the game.

Are we gonna cover those up and just blame the quarterback because he didn't play perfectly I just named a few examples but I could do this all day with quarterbacks who did not play well in big games and somehow they're great defenses great run games great offensive lines they covered up that stuff and still won the game.
 

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(Erm... I reserve the right to change my opinion if #11 gets hurt or anything unforeseen happens! :muttley: )

I've seen enough! This Defense is going to be great! Parcells and his 3-4 Crew were the only Defense we had since the1992-1995 Dynasty to bring out some of that old tough Doomsday. Every year, the talk is about the offense. I get it, they sell more tickets. But this is the year of the Defense. Tell the offense not to cough it up, and let this D rule the roost.

Exhibit A. Proven track record. Two years in a row leading the NFL in forced turnovers which is a Cowboys first. We saw them fix their biggest opportunity - stopping the rush - by end of year. This team's pass rush is lethal and we saw it many times on the TV. We saw them play clutch last year against San Francisco in the Playoffs. If all we ask of Dak is not throw an interception, and our kicker to make his XP, that's a 13-13 game! Message last year: You have to be a Defense that can win a season. Don't wait on the Offense or Special Teams.

Exhibit B. Depth. Stephon Gilmore told LeSean McCoy in a candid moment that this defense is STACKED. The same man who played with those New England Patriots Super Bowl teams was blown away at how much talent was on this defense. Was watching V-Loch's latest YouTube video that was about the defense. He makes a good point. In the first half, even with ugly plays like Turpin's fumble, this Defense with all 2nd stringers was still hanging in the game with the Jaguars and their alleged top 10 QB, and up and coming young roster. Osa was in for a few plays, Clark, who is considered a starter right now, played... and that's it. Our backups looked like they could hang with starters!

Exhibit C. Holes fixed. Last year holes - stop the run and CB depth after injuries. Hankins reports to be in great shape. Mazi doesn't show any signs of being a bust. Clarke has a year of experience and looks good, Overshown is one of our best rookies this year so the off-ball LBs are ready now. And the CB unit added Gilmore, Bland is the real deal, and we STILL have Lewis on the roster, and A.Brown un-signed as insurance if anything goes wrong.

Exhibit D. Swag. D-Ware told the media this defense is going to be unstoppable this year - run or pass. D-Ware talks a lot of smack, but yesterday in the Big Mac PC, Coach told the media that Tank is having the best TC since McCarthy has coached the team. Direct quote from many players on that 90's Dynasty - "They played intense on gameday because they practiced intense." The other day, Parsons and Company were trying to bully the offense. Diggs is not afraid to get in the QB's grill. I hope this is not waste of time nonsense, and instead the D bringing the intensity up.
The thing is if we're talking about monikers and and labeling this elite defense with a name.

Go look at the top ten defenses of all time they all gave up under 13 yards per game.. They literally shut down offenses, shut them completely down, very boring games to watch but the Ds were scary good..

this defense has yet to do that, we watched them blow leads in Jacksonville and Green Bay on the road and then that gets hung on Prescott you got the original poster blaming Prescott for the interception that could have kept a game 13-13 well what about the interception that Trayvon diggs doesn't make and the big hit Trayvon diggs doesn't get and even if it wasn't diggs, that isn't even his guy how does hey tight end get that far downfield and make it catch like that, where was all the pressure?? there was also a drive where they ran the ball at about close to five yards per carry and I get it if they were on the field a long time this defense was very good but it's not elite it has not YET arrived.

I know we're in a different era but I think the top defense of all time gave up like 10.8 yards per game over an entire season.

If you want to get a name that's what you got to do holding the team to 19 points isn't good enough if you want a name that's what we're saying if two interceptions loses you a game then why is it that recently the Rams had a quarterback throw 20 or receptions in a year and two in the Super bowl and somehow, they won the game that's what a great team does

great teams are not perfect great teams are able to cover their mistakes up in all three levels plus coaching they don't worry about blaming the quarterback for two interceptions they just go out and they play better and harder the rest of the game.

Yes most of the blame goes to the offense for that loss against the 49ers however there's plenty of other blame to go around and this defense is not elite it has not arrived and I'm sorry there is no post you can keep blaming Prescott but we've seen even Troy throw interceptions and be behind in a game in the Super bowl and some other team bailed them out we've seen the great Tom Brady throw 3 interceptions and looked like trash in the NFC championship game and his team bailed him out that's what great teams do..​

People need to be honest this team is not great yet it's very good the defense is not elite yet...

offense, defense, special teams, and coaching still have a lot of work to do to be considered great and they need to do it when it counts in the biggest games and I can find all three phases has plays they wish they had back and they didn't make or they made mistakes including the wide receiver who Michael Gallup didn't run the correct route and the reason that first interception happened was because he didn't break his route off correctly they were not on the same page and yeah he stood there and watched the ball and they said they didn't even try to go break it up didn't even make an effort to go back to the spot he was supposed to be in in the first place.

So yes, we lost as a team even though the defense played better than the offense and special teams there were lots of problems, you're asking a quarterback to play perfectly when he has no offensive line and no run game.. Also where was the other skill players besides CD lamb making plays you know the ones like Dalton Shultz making two boneheaded mental mistakes on that three-minute drive towards the end of the game.

Are we gonna cover those up and just blame the quarterback because he didn't play perfectly, I just named a few examples, but I could do this all day with quarterbacks who did not play well in big games and somehow, they're great defenses great run games great offensive lines they covered up that stuff and still won the game.
 

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The soft spot has been in the interior DL and at LBer. 2nd CB has been an issue at times as well.

If they have indeed strengthened those positions the way they have appeared to, then this D has a very high ceiling.

They should be fun to watch. I love the intensity they have right now. They go out and smack Philly around?! Then their confidence goes through the roof and we may have something truly special brewing
 

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It is not elite and therefore not anything close to any edition of Doomsday.
 

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I'm amazed at what Quinn has done with the secondary especially the safety group. The guy can fart and a capable safety appears. He's the best evaluator of talent at the safety position I have ever seen.
 

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I agree, until this defense can show up in the most critical and important games, i.e. postseason, do not include the Doomsday name at this time. Because the only doom will be a one and done. So saddle up, tighten your buckle and secure your sombrero....... we going for a ride. :flagwave:
 

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You can't compare modern defenses to those from 50 or even 30 years ago due to massive rules changes.

The best defenses now just slow offenses down some.

The days of Steel Curtain and Purple People Eaters are over.

Now....we should names great defenses "Just hold them under 24 points and you're awesome!" Defense.
 

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Yes, the anointing oil is out and in full display. But I don't think it's a stretch at all to say this will be the best defense in the NFL this year.
Time will tell, but in the meantime I think it's safe to say this will be the best defense Dallas has had for a long time. :thumbup:
 
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