3/25 Mock

[Future]

That Patriots receiving group was far from elite and runs basically counter to what you've been saying all the time here.......... there was no WR that they had to mind deep. Hogan, Edelman were not deep burners, no more so than say Gallup and Cooper are deep threats, who you have argued aren't down the field playmakers. The Pats WRs ran great routes and Gronk was a load to handle given his strength and they had a great system and QB. They weren't out there burning people all over the field like the Chief did.

The Eagles? They had Jeffrey and Agholor at WR. That's about it unless you are going to argue Torrey Smith or Mack Hollins were big time players. They had Ertz at TE but you've already said he's not that good in another thread. Their best pass catching TB was Clement as neither Ajayi or Blount were considered big threats in the passing game.

RECEIVING CORPS. You can't just leave out Gronk.

More than WRs catch passes. And I didn't say you need to have a deep threat to be elite.

The point is that they have 4-5 guys who win matchups against man coverage consistently.

 

[Sydla]

RECEIVING CORPS. You can't just leave out Gronk.

More than WRs catch passes. And I didn't say you need to have a deep threat to be elite.

The point is that they have 4-5 guys who win matchups against man coverage consistently.

I literally mentioned Gronk in the post you quoted. I didn't leave him out.

 

[Future]

I literally mentioned Gronk in the post you quoted. I didn't leave him out.

Yes you did. First sentence. He was as elite as it gets, and part of the receiving gropu.

I've never said that speed is the only way you have to win with WRs

 

[Gaede]

I like it a lot. Nicely done

 

[RS12]

1. K'Lavon Chaisson, LSU - Edge
I've wanted to go WR here...forever. But given the WR talent later, I think you take a bet on his upside.

2. Jalen Reagor, TCU - Slot
Would have no problem taking him at 17. I now think he'll be there b/c of the combine, but he is an absolutely perfect fit for this offense. As much upside as any WR not named Lamb or Jeudy. Gamebreaker with the ball in his hands, and underrated ability to go get it.

3. Malik Harrison, Ohio State - ILB
One of my favorite players in the draft.. We don't really know what Gifford is going to be, so I'm hesitant to go LB this early, but Harrison solves a lot of problems. Day 1 could play Mike in 4-3 sets, and fixes a lot of issues in the run game, independent of what they do at DT, because of his ability to shed. I think he's instinctual enough to be useful in nickel as well, but hard to say what his upside is.

4. Nick Harris, Washington - C
Welp, C just became a need I think. I like Harris b/c he does a lot of what the Cowboys have traditionally asked Fred to do. He's a little small, but should be able to put on some bulk, and plays really strong. Good athlete, overall, and tenacious.

5. Michael Ojemudia, Iowa - CB
There are a bunch of corners in the 3-5 range, but I like Ojemudia because they do need some length to play on the outside, as Brown and Lewis are much better in the nickel. I don't think there's a big enough drop from every corner not named Jeff Okudah to warrant a late-first or second-round pick on the spot, and Oje would be a steal this late.

6. Sean McKeon, Michigan - TE
This is a "meh" draft class, but I think McKeon can be a sturdy NFL player. Should be strong enough eventually to block well at the NFL level, and though he won't win 1-1 matchups in the passing game, is a fluid enough athlete to take advantage of lapses in zone.
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7. Darrell Mooney, Tulane - Slot
Needs to get a bit more muscular, but is a burner. Similar to JVJ. Not polished, but can be dangerous.

The third rounder I have a feeling will come in real handy.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Are you saying Harrison starts at the MIKE from Day One? Where are LVE/Smith going to play? WILL and SAM?

Smith will be launching and expedition to look for his heart.

 

[DanA]

Smith will be launching and expedition to look for his heart.

No doubt the launch will be delayed awaiting him to slow down and change direction before he takes off to find said heart.

 

[JBS]

Why? They've currently got 4 solid corners who are all under 27. Oje is a prospect.

CB is the biggest need on this team. Give me henderson and reagor 1-2 and we are in business

 

[Future]

CB is the biggest need on this team. Give me henderson and reagor 1-2 and we are in business

No it's not. Their corners are fine.

The two teams that were just in the Super Bowl didn't have corners any better than what Dallas has now.

 

[Cowboyny]

Appreciate the work, but I have difference of opinions:

Chaisson-do not want to reach to fill a need. This is more of a boom/bust potential prospect who probably needs a ton of development.

Team has 2 starting CB's, 2 Starting Safeties who are free agents next season, just a 5th rd cb to address the secondary? What about depth at Defensive Tackle?

Our new HC said, he wants to return the same offense, they lost Cobb, fine they will replace him, but did say there will be major changes on defense and special teams. I could see them drafting a WR, but not a C & TE too.

 

[cnuball21]

No it's not. Their corners are fine.

The two teams that were just in the Super Bowl didn't have corners any better than what Dallas has now.

This is not accurate. Sherman had the highest PFF grade at CB for the entire NFL last year.

“Schematically, Sherman finds himself on an island plenty of times, and his coverage numbers this season speak for themselves. Over the season, Sherman allowed a passer rating of 46.8 when targeted. If you add in the postseason, that number actually drops lowerthan the passer rating of just throwing the ball into the dirt every play instead. He allowed just 52.9% of passes thrown his way to be caught and surrendered only 227 yards all season long — there were cornerbacks who surrendered almost 200 receiving yards in a single game this season, never mind over the whole campaign.”

Also the Chiefs, like the Pats of old, are an outlier as they have the best QB on the planet.

 

[Future]

This is not accurate. Sherman had the highest PFF grade at CB for the entire NFL last year.

“Schematically, Sherman finds himself on an island plenty of times, and his coverage numbers this season speak for themselves. Over the season, Sherman allowed a passer rating of 46.8 when targeted. If you add in the postseason, that number actually drops lowerthan the passer rating of just throwing the ball into the dirt every play instead. He allowed just 52.9% of passes thrown his way to be caught and surrendered only 227 yards all season long — there were cornerbacks who surrendered almost 200 receiving yards in a single game this season, never mind over the whole campaign.”

Also the Chiefs, like the Pats of old, are an outlier as they have the best QB on the planet.

AND HE GOT ROASTED IN THE SUPER BOWL.This is my point...well, a couple. 1 is that PFF sucks, 2 is that good corners aren't better than average corners. Sherman's comp% allowed was worse than Chidos, and 3 is that even good corners get beat, so you invest in the guys who beat those corners, not the corners themselves.

Plus, there is more than 1 corner on the field.

 

[cnuball21]

AND HE GOT ROASTED IN THE SUPER BOWL.This is my point...well, a couple. 1 is that PFF sucks, 2 is that good corners aren't better than average corners. Sherman's comp% allowed was worse than Chidos, and 3 is that even good corners get beat, so you invest in the guys who beat those corners, not the corners themselves.

Plus, there is more than 1 corner on the field.

So if he had a bad game in the Bowl it completely overshadows everything he did the whole year?

And that’s fine if you don’t like PFF, feel free to bring stats that back up your claim of Sherman not being good.

Chidos completion percentage against was 59% so that is also not accurate.

 

[Future]

So if he had a bad game in the Bowl it completely overshadows everything he did the whole year?

And that’s fine if you don’t like PFF, feel free to bring stats that back up your claim of Sherman not being good.

Chidos completion percentage against was 59% so that is also not accurate.

Sherman's was 62%...3% worse.

The point is that Sherman is good. Good corners get beat, so you invest in the side with the greater chance to win a matchup. In the current NFL, thats the WR, 100% of the time.

There are only like 4 difference-making corners in the NFL, who you don't plan on winning against.

 

[cnuball21]

Sherman's was 62%...3% worse.

The point is that Sherman is good. Good corners get beat, so you invest in the side with the greater chance to win a matchup. In the current NFL, thats the WR, 100% of the time.

There are only like 4 difference-making corners in the NFL, who you don't plan on winning against.

I just posted it was 52% in my original post with a QBR against under 50%. I'm not sure where your getting you info from? Those numbers for the season are much better than "good."

WR's will always have the advantage but that doesn't mean teams shouldn't invest in CBs. If your logic was true, then teams wouldn't invest huge money and draft capital into the CB position. Strongly disagree.