3 picks away from dominant defense?

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First of all, I really don't think Dallas will draft an OT on the first day. I think Pettiti, Tucker, a FA pickup or another late round prospect will compete for the RT position. This leaves OLB and FS as the main positions Dallas will focus on in the draft. Since LB's are key to the 3-4 defense being effective, I think Dallas should continue adding depth the first two rounds. In the 3rd round, simply go after the best FS left on the board. Unless FS Ko Simpson or Jason Allen actually fall to our pick in the 2nd....highly unlikely.

1. OLB Manny Lawson/Thomas Howard/Bobby Carpenter

I think these three rookies would easily be an ugrade over Singleton and Fujita. Obviously, Lawson would simply be the ideal with his size and speed on the outside. I prefer Howard over Carpenter, simply because I think he'll be faster and more athletic getting to the ball. You need to be a fast S.O.B. to rush the QB and or drop back into coverage time and time again. I just think Howard would simply cover more ground than Carpenter and more consistently. At 6-2 7/8 240lbs, Howard is actually taller than highly touted Chad Greenway and probably faster too...we'll find out at the combine. I want speed on the outside when dropping into coverage and Lawson and Howard have lots of it.

2. ILB Kai Parham...FS Ko Simpson/Jason Allen

Parham is the ideal pick here for me, because he's already played in the 3-4 in college. I really don't want anyone else here, unless Ko Simpson or Jason Allen miraculously drop to us like I said before. Parham is big, strong, fast, likes to hit and would replace Dat Nguyen perfectly inside. Some might feel this is a wasted pick though, because Kevin Burnett will likely move inside next to Bradie James. The only problem is, can we rely on Burnett staying healthy over a 20 game schedule? Another good reason to add a ILB like Parham is in a 3-4 defense, you should also have the ability to run a 2-5-4 on passing downs...like the Steelers showed in the SB.

3. FS Pat Watkins/Daniel Bullocks/Anthony Smith...OLB Kamerion Wimbley

Dallas needs to upgrade the FS position and this is where they should do it. There are a lot of good safeties in this draft and very few stand out right now. Huff and Simpson, seem to be the front runners at FS. However, few teams draft a safety in the first round to begin with. I think Jason Allen, Darnell Bing, Bernard Pollard and possibly Greg Blue will get picked somewhere in the 2nd round. This should leave the three players above still hanging around in the 3rd IMO. If Simpson or Allen fall to our 2nd pick, I wouldn't mind getting someone like Wimbley. He was a DE in college, but at 6-3 245 he could possibly play ILB or line up across from Ware on passing downs. I'm sure he's too slow to play OLB, but could be a great situational player rushing the QB.

Just 3 draft picks could make all the difference in talent and depth on our defense.


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Silverstar said:
First of all, I really don't think Dallas will draft an OT on the first day. I think Pettiti, Tucker, a FA pickup or another late round prospect will compete for the RT position. This leaves OLB and FS as the main positions Dallas will focus on in the draft. Since LB's are key to the 3-4 defense being effective, I think Dallas should continue adding depth the first two rounds. In the 3rd round, simply go after the best FS left on the board. Unless FS Ko Simpson or Jason Allen actually fall to our pick in the 2nd....highly unlikely.

1. OLB Manny Lawson/Thomas Howard/Bobby Carpenter

I think these three rookies would easily be an ugrade over Singleton and Fujita. Obviously, Lawson would simply be the ideal with his size and speed on the outside. I prefer Howard over Carpenter, simply because I think he'll be faster and more athletic getting to the ball. You need to be a fast S.O.B. to rush the QB and or drop back into coverage time and time again. I just think Howard would simply cover more ground than Carpenter and more consistently. At 6-2 7/8 240lbs, Howard is actually taller than highly touted Chad Greenway and probably faster too...we'll find out at the combine. I want speed on the outside when dropping into coverage and Lawson and Howard have lots of it.

I like it alot, except I would choose Carpenter over Howard

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2. ILB Kai Parham...FS Ko Simpson/Jason Allen

Parham is the ideal pick here for me, because he's already played in the 3-4 in college. I really don't want anyone else here, unless Ko Simpson or Jason Allen miraculously drop to us like I said before. Parham is big, strong, fast, likes to hit and would replace Dat Nguyen perfectly inside. Some might feel this is a wasted pick though, because Kevin Burnett will likely move inside next to Bradie James. The only problem is, can we rely on Burnett staying healthy over a 20 game schedule? Another good reason to add a ILB like Parham is in a 3-4 defense, you should also have the ability to run a 2-5-4 on passing downs...like the Steelers showed in the SB.

I dont' want to use a 2nd round pick on insurance

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3. FS Pat Watkins/Daniel Bullocks/Anthony Smith...OLB Kamerion Wimbley

Dallas needs to upgrade the FS position and this is where they should do it. There are a lot of good safeties in this draft and very few stand out right now. Huff and Simpson, seem to be the front runners at FS. However, few teams draft a safety in the first round to begin with. I think Jason Allen, Darnell Bing, Bernard Pollard and possibly Greg Blue will get picked somewhere in the 2nd round. This should leave the three players above still hanging around in the 3rd IMO. If Simpson or Allen fall to our 2nd pick, I wouldn't mind getting someone like Wimbley. He was a DE in college, but at 6-3 245 he could possibly play ILB or line up across from Ware on passing downs. I'm sure he's too slow to play OLB, but could be a great situational player rushing the QB.

Just 3 draft picks could make all the difference in talent and depth on our defense.


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good picks but Parham its projected in 3rd round, so could be

1. Lawson
2. Best FS
3. Parham
 

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wood28 said:
good picks but Parham its projected in 3rd round, so could be

1. Lawson
2. Best FS
3. Parham
minus Parham, we have Burnett.
 

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A dominant defense will do no good if we cannot upgrade the Oline first. I really hope Jon Scott slips to the 18th pick and I hope Guilles is there when we pick in the 2nd. We need some young stud Olinemen in the worst way. Bring in Akin Adoyele and move Fujita to the inside. Our linebacking core would be set and we would still have young linebackers. Our only weakness would be FS, but you can't have a steak in every position.
 

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neosapien23 said:
A dominant defense will do no good if we cannot upgrade the Oline first. I really hope Jon Scott slips to the 18th pick and I hope Guilles is there when we pick in the 2nd. We need some young stud Olinemen in the worst way. Bring in Akin Adoyele and move Fujita to the inside. Our linebacking core would be set and we would still have young linebackers. Our only weakness would be FS, but you can't have a steak in every position.

Yep we need upgrade the Oline but in FA like Lecharles Bantley or Hutchinson or some good PROVED players and maybe one late rounder rookie. we need 1st day STARTERS not 5 years lerning rookies.
 

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neosapien23 said:
A dominant defense will do no good if we cannot upgrade the Oline first. I really hope Jon Scott slips to the 18th pick and I hope Guilles is there when we pick in the 2nd. We need some young stud Olinemen in the worst way. Bring in Akin Adoyele and move Fujita to the inside. Our linebacking core would be set and we would still have young linebackers. Our only weakness would be FS, but you can't have a steak in every position.

Draft Scott in the 1st, Gilles in the 2nd and move Fujita to ILB??

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What are you smoking?
 

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Draft Scott in the 1st, Gilles in the 2nd and move Fujita to ILB??

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What are you smoking?

Dude we are not going to get Bentley or Hutchinson. We need to plan for the future. I will still be a Cowboys fan even if they suck next year. At some point we need to replace our old linemen. Guilles and Scott will be good in 2 years. If I'm not mistaken Burnett could not beat out Fujita. I don't think he will beat him out at ILB either. Fujita was not able to attend our training camp. His play steadily increased as the season wore on. Fujita will start in the middle next year. You guys can quote me on that. Burnett will still be riding the pine as well.
 

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Yep we need upgrade the Oline but in FA like Lecharles Bantley or Hutchinson or some good PROVED players and maybe one late rounder rookie. we need 1st day STARTERS not 5 years lerning rookies.


Getting Bentley would be HUGE, but I doubt Payton will let him get away. I can see Hutchinson playing LG and Allen possibly moving to RT.

I just don't think either player will be available though.
 

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neosapien23 said:
Dude we are not going to get Bentley or Hutchinson. We need to plan for the future. I will still be a Cowboys fan even if they suck next year. At some point we need to replace our old linemen. If I'm not mistaken Burnett could not beat out Fujita. I don't think he will beat him out at ILB either. Fujita was not able to attend our training camp. His play steadily increased as the season wore on. Fujita will start in the middle next year. You guys can quote me on that. Burnett will still be riding the pine as well.

your 1st day picks need to be instant starters, so spending 2 of those 3 on alternatives for the future isn't prudent

plus our ability to evaluate Oline talent sucks, to be frank, rather we just sign Kevin Barry to start at RT, and develop Pettiti for that role, and take our future LT to sit behind Flo, in the 3rd, such as Daryn Colledge, and we still have Peterman
 

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neosapien23 said:
A dominant defense will do no good if we cannot upgrade the Oline first. I really hope Jon Scott slips to the 18th pick and I hope Guilles is there when we pick in the 2nd. We need some young stud Olinemen in the worst way. Bring in Akin Adoyele and move Fujita to the inside. Our linebacking core would be set and we would still have young linebackers. Our only weakness would be FS, but you can't have a steak in every position.
Fujita to ILB? I don't know about that, and no way should we take Scott. I'd rather take Daryn Colledge in the late 2nd.
 

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summerisfunner said:
your 1st day picks need to be instant starters, so spending 2 of those 3 on alternatives for the future isn't prudent

plus our ability to evaluate Oline talent sucks, to be frank, rather we just sign Kevin Barry to start at RT, and develop Pettiti for that role, and take our future LT to sit behind Flo, in the 3rd, such as Daryn Colledge, and we still have Peterman

Barry never started last year. He is not an established starter. I think Scott will beat out Pettitti period so he would be an instant contributor. I also think Guilles will start from day one just like Larry Allen.
 

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Fujita to ILB? I don't know about that, and no way should we take Scott. I'd rather take Daryn Colledge in the late 2nd.

I'm pretty sure Fujita kept Burnett on the bench and yet alot of fans are hoping Burnett can start at ILB. We don't have alot of options. If we can sign Akin Adoyele, who starts in the ILB spot? Fowler, Shanle, Burnett? Fujita is much better than those guys.
 

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Barry never started last year. He is not an established starter. I think Scott will beat out Pettitti period so he would be an instant contributor. I also think Guilles will start from day one just like Larry Allen.

Barry started this year, he has potential

the thought of Scott beating out Pettiti doesn't exactly light my fire, he's going to struggle with weight his 1st year, just like Pettiti, and it's 50/50 that he'll beat out Pettiti

Guilles looks good, I'm just saying, 1 pick spent on the 1st day, on Oline is good, but 2...? naw
 

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I'm pretty sure Fujita kept Burnett on the bench and yet alot of fans are hoping Burnett can start at ILB. We don't have alot of options. If we can sign Akin Adoyele, who starts in the ILB spot? Fowler, Shanle, Burnett? Fujita is much better than those guys.
How about Bobby Carpenter? I think he's better than all of them put together.:)
 

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Barry started this year, he has potential

the thought of Scott beating out Pettiti doesn't exactly light my fire, he's going to struggle with weight his 1st year, just like Pettiti, and it's 50/50 that he'll beat out Pettiti

Guilles looks good, I'm just saying, 1 pick spent on the 1st day, on Oline is good, but 2...? naw

No he didn't. He only had a half start. Let me try and look it up for you.
 

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No he didn't. He only had a half start. Let me try and look it up for you.

you're right, but NFL.com lists him as starting 1 game this year

but still, he's started before, and he started some games in '02 at RT
 

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Dude we are not going to get Bentley or Hutchinson. We need to plan for the future. I will still be a Cowboys fan even if they suck next year. At some point we need to replace our old linemen. Guilles and Scott will be good in 2 years. If I'm not mistaken Burnett could not beat out Fujita. I don't think he will beat him out at ILB either. Fujita was not able to attend our training camp. His play steadily increased as the season wore on. Fujita will start in the middle next year. You guys can quote me on that. Burnett will still be riding the pine as well.

just remember.. Parcells have 1 or 2 years more whit the Cowboys and Bledsoe too, so we havent much time.
 

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just remember.. Parcells have 1 or 2 years more whit the Cowboys and Bledsoe too, so we havent much time.

I think at some point the organization has to do what is good for the Cowboys organization and not Bill Parcells. If Jones can trade out of the first this year and get another first pick next year, he should do it. We could then take Brady Quinn without selling out our future. Parcells will not sign off on that move, so Jones would have to override him.
 

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neosapien23 said:
I think at some point the organization has to do what is good for the Cowboys organization and not Bill Parcells.

I think both JErry and Bill have the good of the COwboy's organization in mind
 
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