30 for 30: Survive & Advance Re: Jim Valvano & NC State

[yimyammer]

Great show, highly recommend. Its about Jim Valvano & his national championship NC State team that beat Phi Jamma Slamma (Houston) in 1983.

I grew up watching college basketball in this era and it was great. Now, I hardly ever watch. It doesn't seem the same or anywhere near as compelling, seems like since none of the best players stay around, the college game has lost its allure.

Anyone else feel this way or am I just being a sentimental old fart?

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[DFWJC]

Outstanding.

That was certainly the heyday for college hoops. Not being an old fogie here, it's just indisputable.

Think of just the 82-83 time frame with Gtown (Ewing, Floyd et al), UNC (Jordan, Worth, Perkins...), Virginia (Sampson et al), Houston (Olajuwan, Drexler et al), UNLV...etc.
Those teams were loaded with College and NBA HOFers.

The teams were just SO much better overall.

I lived in NC back then. Can you imagine UNC, Duke, NC State all winning titles and all within a few miles of each other? Crazy stuff. Then Wake Forest was not far away either.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I was at that game.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

If only Houston could hit free throws.

 

[DFWJC]

I was at that game.

Wow.

I got to see two great ones
UNC over Michigan (Webber timout game). I was sitting behind Jerry Tarkanian and beside (3 people over from) Nick Nolte..lol.
Foul line extended, 8th row.

Also saw Jordan make the shot vs Georgetown.

Both games were in New Orleans

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Wow.

I got to see two great ones
UNC over Michigan (Webber timout game). I was sitting behind Jerry Tarkanian and beside (3 people over) Nick Nolte..lol. Foul line extended, 8th row.

Also saw Jordan make the shot vs Georgetown.

Both games were in New Orleans

People talk about the timeout but the ball should never have been down the court because Webber walked at his own free throw line after Sullivan missed the FT.

 

[jimmy40]

I wonder if any other coach or player is not in their Hall of Fame because of one game like Guy Lewis. Hopefully he makes it this year, he won't be around much longer.

 

[DFWJC]

People talk about the timeout but the ball should never have been down the court because Webber walked at his own free throw line after Sullivan missed the FT.

That's right, he traveled and we were all out of our chairs yelling for it. Anyway, they UNC had the lead and they had him trapped when he called TO anyway.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

That's right, he traveled and we were all out of our chairs yelling for it. Anyway, they UNC had the lead and they had him trapped when he called TO anyway.

yep and as Dean Smith aka God said later, Heels only had 2-3 fouls to give so they could have just kept fouling to run out the clock.

 

[yimyammer]

I wonder if any other coach or player is not in their Hall of Fame because of one game like Guy Lewis. Hopefully he makes it this year, he won't be around much longer.

I cant remember, did those Houston teams ever win a national championship?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I cant remember, did those Houston teams ever win a national championship?

nope, lost back to back Finals IIRC.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Great show, highly recommend. Its about Jim Valvano & his national championship NC State team that beat Phi Jamma Slamma (Houston) in 1983.

I grew up watching college basketball in this era and it was great. Now, I hardly ever watch. It doesn't seem the same or anywhere near as compelling, seems like since none of the best players stay around, the college game has lost its allure.

Anyone else feel this way or am I just being a sentimental old fart?

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It's not just your imagination. Scoring and shooting percentage in college basketball has been plummeting for decades. This seasons' NCAA average shooting percentage is the lowest it's been since 1965.

Since any talented big man jumps to the pros at the first opportunity, college basketball has just become a perimeter game where 5 guys pass the pass the ball around the key with no purpose until a few seconds are left on the shot clock and someone jacks up a low percentage three. There's been a couple of D1 games this year where teams didn't even score double digits in a half. I tried to watch some this weekend and it was an absolutely unwatchable product.

 

[Future]

Great show, highly recommend. Its about Jim Valvano & his national championship NC State team that beat Phi Jamma Slamma (Houston) in 1983.

I grew up watching college basketball in this era and it was great. Now, I hardly ever watch. It doesn't seem the same or anywhere near as compelling, seems like since none of the best players stay around, the college game has lost its allure.

Anyone else feel this way or am I just being a sentimental old fart?

Trailer

No doubt that all these one and done guys are hurting college basketball. While I think the product is great every year, you lose out on both dynasties and great rivalries because guys simply aren't around long enough.

I think eventually, there will be a rule that, if you go to college, you have to stay 2 years.

 

[yimyammer]

No doubt that all these one and done guys are hurting college basketball. While I think the product is great every year, you lose out on both dynasties and great rivalries because guys simply aren't around long enough.

I think eventually, there will be a rule that, if you go to college, you have to stay 2 years.

Its ironic how money helps to build up a sport but eventually seems to tear it down...I miss getting excited about college B-ball. Wish there was a way they could put the cat back in the bag and keep them there 3 years

 

[mldardy]

nope, lost back to back Finals IIRC.

Yeah that 2nd one they just lost to a better team in Georgetown. I would have loved to have seen Drexler on that 84 team against that Georgetown team.

 

[khiladi]

It's not just your imagination. Scoring and shooting percentage in college basketball has been plummeting for decades. This seasons' NCAA average shooting percentage is the lowest it's been since 1965.

Since any talented big man jumps to the pros at the first opportunity, college basketball has just become a perimeter game where 5 guys pass the pass the ball around the key with no purpose until a few seconds are left on the shot clock and someone jacks up a low percentage three. There's been a couple of D1 games this year where teams didn't even score double digits in a half. I tried to watch some this weekend and it was an absolutely unwatchable product.

I agree... I haven't watched college basketball in ages. It'd diluted the NBA product as well, even for the big men. There is a reason the two best big men in the NBA are Howard and Bynum. One has only one offenseive post move and the other, can't stay healthy. And they both are head-cases.

 

[CowboyDan]

Great show, highly recommend. Its about Jim Valvano & his national championship NC State team that beat Phi Jamma Slamma (Houston) in 1983.

I grew up watching college basketball in this era and it was great. Now, I hardly ever watch. It doesn't seem the same or anywhere near as compelling, seems like since none of the best players stay around, the college game has lost its allure.

Anyone else feel this way or am I just being a sentimental old fart?

Trailer

I agree, it was great! I really enjoyed watching it and it really made me miss Jimmy V. It really made me miss basketball in the 80's too. Pro and college b-ball was so much better back then.

 

[DFWJC]

I agree, it was great! I really enjoyed watching it and it really made me miss Jimmy V. It really made me miss basketball in the 80's too. Pro and college b-ball was so much better back then.

Growing with that level of hoops intensity left deep roots in me as a fan.

If I was growing up in today's current college basketball atmosphere, I would not have anwhere near the long-term love for the game.

March Madness is always fun. Back then the interest level for many areas of the country was heavy throughout the season and beyond.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

That championship game was great drama, but it paled in comparison to the Houston vs Louisville "final four" game. That game was off the charts for, "OMG...DID YOU SEE THAT!!??" moments.

Game Notes:

• Louisville led 41-36 at half time.
• In the second half, while trailing 57-49, Houston switched to a man-to-man defense and in a 3:30 span, went on a 17-1 run, to take a 66-58 lead.
• In the final 12:37 of the game, Houston made 10 dunks, including six in a row, and finished the game with a total of 14 dunks.
• Clyde Drexler finished the game with 21 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists.