News: 32: I Hate: The Kyle Orton Saga

[ShiningStar]

The truth of the matter is you can't have everything, 1. because of the limited cap and 2. because generally speaking the last several years the Cowboys have had holes in starting positions that they needed to address first before they could take out on insurance policy on Romo being injured. That is the nature of today's NFL. I don't think this is a case of them ignoring the beauty of said luxury but more or less because it is a luxury they have not been able to afford.

If enough of the experiment's pan out well this year on the defensive side of the ball, then we may see them take that chance in next year draft. But, generally, starting quality rookies don't make it past the first round...hidden gem QB's are rare.

Thats fine, than just throw a kid back there. I mean i dont get the hate on Orton when Dallas walked into the land mine. If they werent going to take it serious, just pick up an undrafted and let him sit back there.

 

[5Stars]

Perfect summation of fandom.

Love you while you are one of us; hate you at any other point.

True, I loved Demarcus Ware but I could care less about him at this point. Is that what you meant?

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

I forgot all about him until I opened this thread

 

[jday]

Thats fine, than just throw a kid back there. I mean i dont get the hate on Orton when Dallas walked into the land mine. If they werent going to take it serious, just pick up an undrafted and let him sit back there.

The Orton hate is in small part due to him being a poor substitute for Romo and in large part due to the stunt he pulled in the offseason to avoid paying back a portion of his salary. Having said that, I'm glad they released him...kinda wish they had after the first week of OTA's he missed. Also, just as an aside, the Cowboys did pick up an undrafted free agent named Dustin Vaughan from West Texas A&M; he probably is nothing more than a camp body, but given the fact that Weeden and Hanie are the two guy's in front of him, I'm sure he'll get a shot to earn a roster spot.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I don't like the Ratliff/Orton trend of defrauding the team for money. Now other players will figure out how to do it, and it will create more dead weight for the cap. I'll be you anything this will spread to other teams as well. The NFL needs to get its best lawyers in gear and put a stop to this BS. It didn't help when they simply allowed Ratliff to sign with the Bears when they should have kicked him out of the NFL.

The NFL should show how simple it is. 1. You sign a contract. 2. You live up to the terms of the contract.

You don't get to retire and collect some bonus that was contingent on you actually playing. If it says the money was for playing, then the money is for playing. I'm just waiting for Orton to run with his money straight to some other team that's offering him some more.

 

[ShiningStar]

The Orton hate is in small part due to him being a poor substitute for Romo and in large part due to the stunt he pulled in the offseason to avoid paying back a portion of his salary. Having said that, I'm glad they released him...kinda wish they had after the first week of OTA's he missed. Also, just as an aside, the Cowboys did pick up an undrafted free agent named Dustin Vaughan from West Texas A&M; he probably is nothing more than a camp body, but given the fact that Weeden and Hanie are the two guy's in front of him, I'm sure he'll get a shot to earn a roster spot.

Id would rather go that option than a Weedon or an Orton and i liked Orton. Dallas just has to put more stock into the bck up Qb.

 

[jday]

Id would rather go that option than a Weedon or an Orton and i liked Orton. Dallas just has to put more stock into the bck up Qb.

I get what your saying. I would feel alot better about this next season knowing we had a better insurance policy behind him. On the other hand, the trade off would likely be no Zach Martin or Demarcus Lawrence (not saying I'm sold on the guy being worth a 2nd & 3rd pick, but the Cowboys really did need a new pass rusher with the loss of Ware)...and the further you get away from the first 3 rounds with a rookie QB, the more growing pains he is likely to experience. Given the defense, this may have been the perfect year for them to try and develop somone, but therein is one of the hangups with Jerry - there is no such thing as a rebuild.

 

[KingintheNorth]

True, I loved Demarcus Ware but I could care less about him at this point. Is that what you meant?

Certain players I'll still root for and follow. Emmitt when he went to Arizona, Larry Allen when he went to the 49ers. Ware also falls in this category for me. None of which should have ever been ex-Cowboys.

 

[AbeBeta]

Dallas needs guys like Kyle Orton about as much as a hole in the head. Good riddance, I say.

If Orton wanted to play, he'd be one of the best backups in the league. He's better than many starters too. I do think it raised a few red flags that he wanted to come here as a backup rather than compete for a starting job somewhere

 

[AbeBeta]

With good reason, in this case.

Thanks Jerry!

Wow. Close to 10 years ago. Super relevant

 

[joseephuss]

What saga? Dallas cut him. He is gone. I don't see a saga.

 

[Bullflop]

If Orton wanted to play, he'd be one of the best backups in the league. He's better than many starters too. I do think it raised a few red flags that he wanted to come here as a backup rather than compete for a starting job somewhere

As soon as a player starts thinking about retirement, for intents and purposes, he's already retired. Aside from that, Orton doesn't have the desire to play any more by his own admission. Even if he lied about that and doesn't want to play for Dallas, we wouldn't get the best from him anyhow. Only a scumbag would screw his team both financially and ethically the way he did. As it turns out, those red flags you referred to were totally justified. If he wanted to be a starter, he should never have come to Dallas. As far as I'm concerned, he can get boozed up somewhere else or stay at home and continue being the bum he is. He's just out for himself.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

As soon as a player starts thinking about retirement, for intents and purposes, he's already retired. Aside from that, Orton doesn't have the desire to play any more by his own admission.

pretty much.

 

[xwalker]

Perfect summation of fandom.

Love you while you are one of us; hate you at any other point.

That's what fan's of teams should do, IMO.

Many modern fans are the opposite and are fans of front runners. Many Miami Heat fans will now become Cleveland fans because they just follow LeBron around because he's the best player at this point in time. As soon as he gets older and somebody replaces him as the best, those fans will just become fans of that player's team.

Personally, I wish Ware the best in Denver. If they were in the NFC east, it would be different.

The biggest pain will be if Ware is really good for a few games that many around here will come out proclaiming how the Cowboys screwed up by cutting him. In reality, it was the right move to cut him regardless of how well he plays for Denver. The Cowboys were a low probability of being contenders this season and didn't need an older 12M per year DE with significant injury history, but that won't stop some people from proclaiming failure for the Cowboys is he does some success in Denver.

What I find much more irritating in terms of fan behavior, is the hate for a player currently on the team that has done nothing to deserve it.

When a guy like Jeff Heath fails, the blame should go the team, not the player. He should not have been in the position to be forced into action. He gave it his best shot but just didn't have the skill to get it done, especially when the rest of the defense was not doing their jobs either. Now people hate Heath, but are exited about Hamilton because he got a little praise from Broaddus in OTAs. In reality, if Hamilton had been put in Heath's position last season, he would likely get hated now and people would be excited about Heath.

I can understand a guy like Bruce Carter getting some fan hate because he didn't play up to his physical ability; however, hating some poor UDFA rookie Safety for not being able to cover Calvin Johnson is just silly.