4/19/15 Mock

[The Realist]

1) Jay Ajayi RB
2) Josh Shaw CB
3) Frank Clark DE
4) Tyeler Davison DT
5) Damiann Swann CB
7a) Gabe Martin LB
7b) Eric Lefeld OT

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Barf

 

[darthseinfeld]

1) Jay Ajayi RB
2) Josh Shaw CB
3) Frank Clark DE
4) Tyeler Davison DT
5) Damiann Swann CB
7a) Gabe Martin LB
7b) Eric Lefeld OT

Works for me. Id like to get Clark a round later, but that 3rd rounder is basicly a 4th. He is a guy who could be a double digit sack LDE.

I think there is a good chance Ajayi and even Coleman slip into the late first and Ajayi seems to be very high on the FO's list

 

[Macnalty]

I have not seen this configuration before, not my cup of tea with Shaw and Clark so high on our list. Talented but those issues off the field are tiresome.

 

[darthseinfeld]

And for people who hate the Ajayi pick. Ajayi or Coleman would be this years Travis Frederick

 

[xwalker]

1) Jay Ajayi RB
2) Josh Shaw CB
3) Frank Clark DE
4) Tyeler Davison DT
5) Damiann Swann CB
7a) Gabe Martin LB
7b) Eric Lefeld OT

How to make people go from disliking this draft to loving it.

Trade down in each round for the Titan's pick in the next round and get a 2016 pick in return. Then you have:
2nd (#33) Jay Ajayi RB
3rd Josh Shaw CB
4th Frank Clark DE
5th Tyeler Davison DT
6th Damiann Swann CB
7a Gabe Martin LB
7b Eric Lefeld OT

 

[The Realist]

How to make people go from disliking this draft to loving it.

Trade down in each round for the Titan's pick in the next round and get a 2016 pick in return. Then you have:
2nd (#33) Jay Ajayi RB
3rd Josh Shaw CB
4th Frank Clark DE
5th Tyeler Davison DT
6th Damiann Swann CB
7a Gabe Martin LB
7b Eric Lefeld OT

I'd rather have the 5th year with Ajayi taken in the 1st round.

 

[DFWJC]

Barf

X2

 

[MichaelWinicki]

All three top picks were taken a round too early.

Davison is at least a couple rounds early.

To win the draft is to take guys at your spot that represent the best value at that spot.

There is no win here.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd rather have the 5th year with Ajayi taken in the 1st round.

But with a running back the guy could be "used up" by the 5th season.

If the desire is to take advantage of the 5th year thing, at least focus on a position like CB or DE where the costs of replacing a good player are much greater than for a RB.

 

[The Realist]

All three top picks were taken a round too early.

Davison is at least a couple rounds early.

To win the draft is to take guys at your spot that represent the best value at that spot.

There is no win here.

So you are saying Jay will be there at 60, Shaw 91, and Clark at our 4th. Noted.

 

[The Realist]

Barf

Immaturity = confirmation

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So you are saying Jay will be there at 60, Shaw 91, and Clark at our 4th. Noted.

No, what I'm saying is that you're too focused on those players and when the Cowboys choose at #27 and #60 and at number #91, you take the highest rated player you can.

The draft is about targeting talent and not specific players.

For instance, you take the 35th best player at #27, the 80th best player at #60 and the 116th best player at #91 and you're falling behind other teams that are going to be taking overall better prospects than what you are.

 

[DFWJC]

And for people who hate the Ajayi pick. Ajayi or Coleman would be this years Travis Frederick

Maybe so

• First, nobody knows how good they'll be. So "could be" (vs "would be") fits better
• Next, the difference between the 27th and 31st pick is an extra late 4th and 5th rounder...or a higher 4th.
• We got both Freddy and T Williams with our original 1st rounder .
• Too much depth at RB to reach for one, IMO. It wouldn't surprise me if RBs that end up with better careers than one of either Ajayi or Coleman end up being taken after the 60th and 90th picks.
• For that matter, Coleman himself may go after our 2nd rd pick anyway.

 

[xwalker]

I'd rather have the 5th year with Ajayi taken in the 1st round.

My point is that people will say all of those picks were a round early but if you were picking 6 spots later people would be fine with it because 6 spots later is a round later in most people mind.

 

[DFWJC]

No, what I'm saying is that you're too focused on those players and when the Cowboys choose at #27 and #60 and at number #91, you take the highest rated player you can.

The draft is about targeting talent and not specific players.

For instance, you take the 35th best player at #27, the 80th best player at #60 and the 116th best player at #91 and you're falling behind other teams that are going to be taking overall better prospects than what you are.

This

 

[The Realist]

No, what I'm saying is that you're too focused on those players and when the Cowboys choose at #27 and #60 and at number #91, you take the highest rated player you can.

The draft is about targeting talent and not specific players.

For instance, you take the 35th best player at #27, the 80th best player at #60 and the 116th best player at #91 and you're falling behind other teams that are going to be taking overall better prospects than what you are.

So don't target players like they targeted Frederick and Hitchens too high? Is that what you are saying?

 

[DFWJC]

So don't target players like they targeted Frederick and Hitchens too high? Is that what you are saying?

Dallas just had those players rated higher than other teams.
When the pick came up, they were at or near the top of our draft board.
Some thought they were reaches, but they were just normal draft picks for us.
That's not the same as targeting.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Maybe so

• First, nobody knows how good they'll be. So "could be" (vs "would be") fits better
• Next, the difference between the 27th and 31st pick is an extra late 4th and 5th rounder...or a higher 4th.
• We got both Freddy and T Williams with our original 1st rounder .
• Too much depth at RB to reach for one, IMO. It wouldn't surprise me if RBs that end up with better careers than one of either Ajayi or Coleman end up being taken after the 60th and 90th picks.
• For that matter, Coleman himself may go after our 2nd rd pick anyway.

My point being you draft Ajayi or Coleman in the late we are going to get similar level production out of our late round pick as we did when we took Frederick in 2013. Considering they are both very talented 3 down backs, 1,300 rushing yard and 1,700 from scrimmage is very reasonable to assume. Would we get that level of production from TJ Yeldon, maybe. But its not nearly as likley and neither Ajayi or Coleman will be there at 60

 

[darthseinfeld]

Dallas just had those players rated higher than other teams.
When the pick came up, they were at or near the top of our draft board.
Some thought they were reaches, but they were just normal draft picks for us.
That's not the same as targeting.

But who is to say they dont have Ajayi very high on there board as well. Thise late first, early second boards are very fluid