4/8 Mock

[tm1119]

1st- Kevin King CB Washington- Just don't make many like King...6'3 CB with 4.4 speed and dominated all of the agility tests at the combine. Long 6'3 gangly frame he uses to jam WR's in man, but his long arms are also weapons for pass break ups. 18 PBU's and 5 INT's the past 2 years. Former high school WR that does a good job locating the ball in the air to high point and make a play on the ball. Had circus 1 handed INT's on his resume. Only 1 TD allowed in last 101 throws against him...just needs to add a few pounds and work on his tackling technique, but not much to dislike about a CB this kind of size and athleticism


2nd- Marcus Williams S Utah- jack of all trades S with the size and tackling ability to play in the box, but also the range and athleticism to be an asset in coverage. Ball hawking traits with 10 INT's the past 2 years.


3rd- Daeshon Hall DE Texas A&M- Long and athletic DE that isn't developed yet, but has a high ceiling. Shows the burst and agility to think he can turn into a good pass rusher in time with coaching.



4th- George Kittle TE Iowa- Big, athletic, and blocks well. Wasn't used much as a receiving threat in Iowa's offense so route running is under developed...Decent hands though. underrated and falls through the cracks of a deep TE class.



6th- James Onwualu LB Notre Dame- Undersized LB that switched from WR to defense after his freshman year. The athletic traits of a WR show in space and he can be an asset in coverage. Supposed to have a "willing to run through a wall" mentality that should make him good on ST until/if he can get stronger and learn the LB position more.


7th- Collin Buchanan OT/OG Miami (OH)- RT with shortish arms that may need to kick inside but has the athleticism to stay at RT if he can overcome lack of length. Either way I like him as a developmental guy that can backup RT and LG

7th- Jahad Thomas RB/KR Temple- Pass catching RB with kick return ability. Agility and start/stop ability are great to make people miss in space.
https://youtu.be/mkmSvXLwL7Y

 

[Gaede]

.man, I love the first 4 rounds.

 

[AsthmaField]

First off, I love your mocks because you put the videos in there. That is appreciated. I know it is some work.

Secondly, I really like your first two picks. Both would help a lot. And I love Kittle. Dude is a tough guy and is much more athletic than people think. I'd be thrilled to get him in the 4th.

Nice job.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Pretty good Day 1 and 2. Day 3 does nothing for me.

 

[AsthmaField]

Pretty good Day 1 and 2. Day 3 does nothing for me.

You don't like Kittle in the 4th?

 

[KingintheNorth]

You don't like Kittle in the 4th?

I don't hate it but not really big on him. I don't see him as a #1 TE down the road. If we go TE in this draft, I want Witten's eventual replacement.

 

[AsthmaField]

I don't hate it but not really big on him. I don't see him as a #1 TE down the road. If we go TE in this draft, I want Witten's eventual replacement.

I can understand that, although I can see him as a #1.

There are other guys I'd rather have in the 4th (like LB Blair Brown) but I wouldn't be upset with Kittle. I do admit his name sounds like something you'd feed to cats though.

 

[Hailmary]

That's a good case for King at 28, but I still would prefer a DE there. The way I see it is, the fall off of talent at DE is much greater from 28 to 60+ then it is at DB. Hall in the third is just another rotational guy for me where as we can still find a significant contributor or even a starter at DB 60+.

 

[AsthmaField]

That's a good case for King at 28, but I still would prefer a DE there. The way I see it is, the fall off of talent at DE is much greater from 28 to 60+ then it is at DB. Hall in the third is just another rotational guy for me where as we can still find a significant contributor or even a starter at DB 60+.

I don't necessarily disagree with that... but if the team just doesn't like any of the DE's left at 28 and they really like a guy like King who is still there, then the only smart thing to do is to take King. For instance, I'd much rather have the team's 4th rated CB than their 8th rated DE.

Ebenezer Ekuban is an example of the team being dead set on taking DE in the first round and chosing that over better players at other positions.

In a perfect world, they would have a DE ranked as BPA at 28 and they could then get their secondary guy at 60 (for the reasons you mentioned)... but looking at the players, that could be pretty unlikely to happen.

The good thing is now that the team doesn't reach anymore, so they aren't going to take a DE just because the need is there. They will make the smart pick. If they do take a DE at 28, we can be pretty sure that he was highly rated on their board (if not the BPA).

 

[reddyuta]

I would run with this,i think they might go DE in the 2nd but i i am not complaining the Marcus williams pick.

 

[tm1119]

That's a good case for King at 28, but I still would prefer a DE there. The way I see it is, the fall off of talent at DE is much greater from 28 to 60+ then it is at DB. Hall in the third is just another rotational guy for me where as we can still find a significant contributor or even a starter at DB 60+.

I just think the 4th best CB is a lot better value than the 4th/5th best DE in this draft. In all likelyhood it will be 1 of Conley/King/Humphrey or 1 of Takk/Harris/Watt....ill take the CB group anyday.

 

[tm1119]

Pretty good Day 1 and 2. Day 3 does nothing for me.

Probably the most positive thing you've ever said about a Mock of mine so I'll take it lol...any 3rd/4th round pass rushers you like more than Hall?

 

[KingintheNorth]

Probably the most positive thing you've ever said about a Mock of mine so I'll take it lol...any 3rd/4th round pass rushers you like more than Hall?

I think Hall will go somewhere right around there if not higher. Liked that pick.

 

[Hailmary]

I just think the 4th best CB is a lot better value than the 4th/5th best DE in this draft. In all likelyhood it will be 1 of Conley/King/Humphrey or 1 of Takk/Harris/Watt....ill take the CB group anyday.

Perhaps. I'm just not sure if conley/king/ Humphrey is so much better at 28 compared to say Witherspoon/Moreau at 60, whereas tak/Harris/Watt is more than likely better at rushing the passer than what we already have on our roster. If our brass feels strongly about the corners left at 28, then I can't argue with them, but my personal preference is to reach a little for a DE and take advantage of the strong DB class on day two.

 

[rambo2]

I like your mock. I'd go with either TJ Watt, or Kevin King, or Adoree' Jackson in the 1st round and either Josh Jones, or Marcus Williams, or Jordan Willis in the 2nd. They certainly can improve the defense and they certainly can improve the secondary with guys that can create turnovers.

 

[tm1119]

Perhaps. I'm just not sure if conley/king/ Humphrey is so much better at 28 compared to say Witherspoon/Moreau at 60, whereas tak/Harris/Watt is more than likely better at rushing the passer than what we already have on our roster. If our brass feels strongly about the corners left at 28, then I can't argue with them, but my personal preference is to reach a little for a DE and take advantage of the strong DB class on day two.

We obviously disagree on the value of the DE's int this class...and that's fine. If Barnett or Taco fall to 28 we are having a different discussion, but I just don't think any of Takk/Harris/Watt are anything special. The difference between them and the day 2 pass rushers like Lawson, Bowser, Willis, Basham, and Rivers is pretty minimal for me.

 

[AsthmaField]

We obviously disagree on the value of the DE's int this class...and that's fine. If Barnett or Taco fall to 28 we are having a different discussion, but I just don't think any of Takk/Harris/Watt are anything special. The difference between them and the day 2 pass rushers like Lawson, Bowser, Willis, Basham, and Rivers is pretty minimal for me.

Pretty much agree with that. Barnett is really the only DE that I like a lot (not including Solomon Thomas and Garrett who will be long gone). If Barnett falls close, I say go get him... otherwise, the guys at 60 will be close to the guys at 28. Definitely not Takk, for sure. Don't like him at all.

Harris is okay to me and if the team likes him then ok... but I'm not sold on him for sure. The DB's get me way more excited at 28 TBH.

 

[Carson]

Solid mock. Sign me up

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

That's a good case for King at 28, but I still would prefer a DE there. The way I see it is, the fall off of talent at DE is much greater from 28 to 60+ then it is at DB. Hall in the third is just another rotational guy for me where as we can still find a significant contributor or even a starter at DB 60+.

I prefer a DE as well. But really don't want them to force a pick just to take a DE. If Harris, or Takk, or even Bowser -- real RDE athletes -- are there and they take one, I'll be happy. If not, I'd love King as a fallback.

 

[xwalker]

1st- Kevin King CB Washington- Just don't make many like King...6'3 CB with 4.4 speed and dominated all of the agility tests at the combine. Long 6'3 gangly frame he uses to jam WR's in man, but his long arms are also weapons for pass break ups. 18 PBU's and 5 INT's the past 2 years. Former high school WR that does a good job locating the ball in the air to high point and make a play on the ball. Had circus 1 handed INT's on his resume. Only 1 TD allowed in last 101 throws against him...just needs to add a few pounds and work on his tackling technique, but not much to dislike about a CB this kind of size and athleticism


2nd- Marcus Williams S Utah- jack of all trades S with the size and tackling ability to play in the box, but also the range and athleticism to be an asset in coverage. Ball hawking traits with 10 INT's the past 2 years.


3rd- Daeshon Hall DE Texas A&M- Long and athletic DE that isn't developed yet, but has a high ceiling. Shows the burst and agility to think he can turn into a good pass rusher in time with coaching.



4th- George Kittle TE Iowa- Big, athletic, and blocks well. Wasn't used much as a receiving threat in Iowa's offense so route running is under developed...Decent hands though. underrated and falls through the cracks of a deep TE class.



6th- James Onwualu LB Notre Dame- Undersized LB that switched from WR to defense after his freshman year. The athletic traits of a WR show in space and he can be an asset in coverage. Supposed to have a "willing to run through a wall" mentality that should make him good on ST until/if he can get stronger and learn the LB position more.


7th- Collin Buchanan OT/OG Miami (OH)- RT with shortish arms that may need to kick inside but has the athleticism to stay at RT if he can overcome lack of length. Either way I like him as a developmental guy that can backup RT and LG

7th- Jahad Thomas RB/KR Temple- Pass catching RB with kick return ability. Agility and start/stop ability are great to make people miss in space.
https://youtu.be/mkmSvXLwL7Y

I like it and it seems like those players could be available at those spots.

My prediction: If both Adoree Jackson and Kevin King are available, the Cowboys will take King but most fans would want Jackson.