4 year look at our Record against Good Competition.

[Maikeru-sama]

No agenda here ladies and gents. I have some free time (finally) at work, thought I would go down memory lane and look at our record in games where the competition was pretty good.

2003
1-1 vs Eagles (12-4) overall
0-1 vs Bucs (3-3) when we played them and pretty stout defense, the OL was tested pretty good
0-1 vs Pats (SB champs)
1-1 vs Panthers (SB runner up)
0-1 vs Dolphis (10-6, didnt make playoffs but would have in NFC and embarssed us on TGD)

You can add the Saints game, they were 8-8 but we didnt play hard that game

2-5 against good competition in 2003.

2004
0-1 vs Vikings (8-8 but pretty good early on)
0-1 vs Steelers (15-1) overall, fluke elbow-gate game
0-1 vs Packers (10-6)
0-1 vs Bengals (8-8) but talented team
0-2 vs Eagles (13-3)
0-1 vs Ravens (9-7) good competition (henson scored only TD)
1-0 vs Seahawks (9-7) jj went crazy

1-7 against good competition in 2004

2005
1-0 vs Chargers (9-7) probably best team not to make playoffs
0-2 vs Skins (10-6)
1-1 vs Giants (11-5) div. winners
0-1 vs Seahawks (SB runner up), should of would of could of
0-1 vs Broncos (13-3), cant remember if an int or fumble was returned for td in OT
1-0 vs Chiefs (10-6)
1-0 vs Panthers (11-5)

4-5 against good competition in 2005

2006
0-1 vs Jaguars
0-1 vs Eagles

0-2 against good competition in 2006

Folks, I see a disturbing trend here.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why would it surprise you that we have a losing record to teams that won 10 or so games in those years? How exactly do you think they won all those games?

 

[TonyS]

Because they were good and we weren't. See the trend continuing this year? If you can't beat good teams, you can't win playoff games or SuperBowls.

 

[LarryCanadian]

I think this is an excellent thread. Those other teams have good records not just because they beat the Cowboys, since we only played them once or twice.

I have been posting about other teams dictating games and the team not having the killer edge yet. This shows it. If you go back through those games, the silly thing is that except for maybe 3 or so games, the Cowboys did not get whipped or solidly beaten. In most cases we had chances to win many of them and/or based on opportunities SHOULD have won many of them.

Is it coaching, experience, talent, negative atmosphere, lack of leadership? I think its some of each of those.

Until we beat Jacksonville and Phili (yes on the road, doesn't matter) in games like these, where we have the chances but make too many big mistakes, we will not be a "good" team, and not a playoff threat, even if we can squeak in. Still Close, but still no Cigar!

LarryCanadian

 

[Rush 2112]

I see the point Mick......

But....

What was our record the previous 4 years vs good teams?

What was our record the previous 4 years vs good, bad, average and horrible teams?

 

[BulletBob]

No agenda here ladies and gents. I have some free time (finally) at work, thought I would go down memory lane and look at our record in games where the competition was pretty good.

Hey Mick, you need to get back to work ... quick!

You're making us all sick!

:storm:

 

[Dale]

I see the point Mick......

But....

What was our record the previous 4 years vs good teams?

What was our record the previous 4 years vs good, bad, average and horrible teams?

Parcells has undoubtedly made this team much, much better.

We're literally "in" every game. The team's character is strong, as the players never seem to fold and have battled back numerous times already just this season.

We never really have "let-down" games. How many times have we lost to poor teams? It can't be many.

But, this team still has not made that jump from middle-of-the-pack to legitimate threat. This season screams 7-9 to 9-7 depending on what breaks we do or don't get. That's an improvement over the Campo era, especially given most of our losses will be games decided on the final drive.

But Parcells wasn't brought here to make us mediocre. He's improved the team, no doubt. But he's been unable to take the team to that next level.

I don't think he deserves all the criticism, but we can't ignore that this team had Super Bowl expectations this year. We had playoff expectations last year. Neither seem to be coming to fruition.

 

[jcblanco22]

I think this is an excellent thread. Those other teams have good records not just because they beat the Cowboys, since we only played them once or twice.

I have been posting about other teams dictating games and the team not having the killer edge yet. This shows it. If you go back through those games, the silly thing is that except for maybe 3 or so games, the Cowboys did not get whipped or solidly beaten. In most cases we had chances to win many of them and/or based on opportunities SHOULD have won many of them.

Is it coaching, experience, talent, negative atmosphere, lack of leadership? I think its some of each of those.

Until we beat Jacksonville and Phili (yes on the road, doesn't matter) in games like these, where we have the chances but make too many big mistakes, we will not be a "good" team, and not a playoff threat, even if we can squeak in. Still Close, but still no Cigar!

LarryCanadian

This is a spot-on observation Larry, and it sums up exactly what the issue at hand is right now. No one, not even the doom and gloomers suffering from the "day after" syndrome, is predicting that this team goes 5-11 or anything like that. We all know we could probably get to 9-7 and maybe even 10-6 without much difficulty, because we have just enough weapons, games against lesser opponents, and enough home games to get there. It's what would happen from the wild-card round onward that is what sums up this team's problems.

 

[jay cee]

excellent thread Mick. Unless they can turn this trend around, I guess they won't be making any noise in the playoffs this year.

And I still don't see Philly or Jacksonville as league championship material. So where does that put the Cowboys?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I see the point Mick......

But....

What was our record the previous 4 years vs good teams?

What was our record the previous 4 years vs good, bad, average and horrible teams?

Hey, if comparing Bill Parcells a legendary..HOF coach to the likes of Campo and Gailey makes you happy, feel free.

I like the guy and has done alot of positives...but comparing him to the last regimes is a stretch.

I think 100% of us expected things to at least be better under Parcells.

 

[gbrittain]

I see the point Mick......

But....

What was our record the previous 4 years vs good teams?

What was our record the previous 4 years vs good, bad, average and horrible teams?

I see what you are trying to say, but when we got Parcells I was not hoping for him to do better than Campo. The expectations were much higher than that.

We have had one 5 game winning streak since Parcells got here and that was his 10-6 year.

We have had one 3 game winning streak.

We have had six 2 game winning streaks.

In addition to the original posters concerns as to beating quality competition, we are also so very inconsistent.

We are four years into Parcells tenure. Someone has to bare the blame for this failure.

Is it the players? Is it Parcells? Is it both? Whatever the case something is wrong with this team.

And all these people telling me to calm down it is just one game needs to look at the history of this team.

 

[Rush 2112]

Hey, if comparing Bill Parcells a legendary..HOF coach to the likes of Campo and Gailey makes you happy, feel free.

I like the guy and has done alot of positives...but comparing him to the last regimes is a stretch.

I think 100% of us expected things to at least be better under Parcells.

You are missing my point. Not comparing him to Campo et al.

Put it like this.....

You're the new CFO of a company that is 8 million in the whole thanks to former CFO and others.

Annual revenues of 500k.

Where are you going to stand beginning of year 4?

Between Jimmy and BP what was our success rate in draft at EVERY position.

I've already done this exercise........

Somethink like 1 for 9 at DE (Ellis).

0 for 7-8 at DT.

2 for on OL (Flo/Allen).

1 for 10ish + at CB (Mario).

How do you fix all that?

Not to mention, we've only covered 4 positions so far.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You are missing my point. Not comparing him to Campo et al.

Put it like this.....

You're the new CFO of a company that is 8 million in the whole thanks to former CFO and others.

Annual revenues of 500k.

Where are you going to stand beginning of year 4?

Between Jimmy and BP what was our success rate in draft at EVERY position.

I've already done this exercise........

Somethink like 1 for 9 at DE (Ellis).

0 for 7-8 at DT.

2 for on OL (Flo/Allen).

1 for 10ish + at CB (Mario).

How do you fix all that?

Not to mention, we've only covered 4 positions so far.

Some people wont be happy until we field a team with 22 Pro Bowlers.

Parcells has built up an extremely talented team. This team is good enough to compete for an NFC Championship talent-wise and many teams have woes as well.

- Mike G.

 

[Rush 2112]

I don't want 22 Pro Bowlers.

Please respond with facts instead of putting words in my mouth.

Name the 2nd best DE JJ drafted between Jimmy and BP (Ellis).

Name the 2nd best CB he drafted (Mario).

Name the 3rd best OL (Flo/LA).

Name the best DT (Blade).

RB? (Tain't one).

FS?, QB?, TE?, WR?

 

[JMead]

The Denver TD came from a long run by Ron Dayne in OT.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

No agenda here ladies and gents. I have some free time (finally) at work, thought I would go down memory lane and look at our record in games where the competition was pretty good.

2003
1-1 vs Eagles (12-4) overall
0-1 vs Bucs (3-3) when we played them and pretty stout defense, the OL was tested pretty good
0-1 vs Pats (SB champs)
1-1 vs Panthers (SB runner up)
0-1 vs Dolphis (10-6, didnt make playoffs but would have in NFC and embarssed us on TGD)

You can add the Saints game, they were 8-8 but we didnt play hard that game

2-5 against good competition in 2003.

2004
0-1 vs Vikings (8-8 but pretty good early on)
0-1 vs Steelers (15-1) overall, fluke elbow-gate game
0-1 vs Packers (10-6)
0-1 vs Bengals (8-8) but talented team
0-2 vs Eagles (13-3)
0-1 vs Ravens (9-7) good competition (henson scored only TD)
1-0 vs Seahawks (9-7) jj went crazy

1-7 against good competition in 2004

2005
1-0 vs Chargers (9-7) probably best team not to make playoffs
0-2 vs Skins (10-6)
1-1 vs Giants (11-5) div. winners
0-1 vs Seahawks (SB runner up), should of would of could of
0-1 vs Broncos (13-3), cant remember if an int or fumble was returned for td in OT
1-0 vs Chiefs (10-6)
1-0 vs Panthers (11-5)

4-5 against good competition in 2005

2006
0-1 vs Jaguars
0-1 vs Eagles
0-1 vs Giants

0-3 against good competition in 2006

Folks, I see a disturbing trend here.