49ers’ Kyle Shanahan: ‘I always feel like I let Trey down’

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“Obviously we took our shot and it didn’t work out. That’s on us with that. I’m not going to say anything is a ‘failure.’ That would be too much of a negative towards Trey. We took a shot, hoping he could be our guy. That didn’t work out. I understand that from our standpoint.

“I still do believe in Trey. Three years ago, we had the 12th pick in the draft, after that COVID year. We thought we had a really good team. We didn’t think we’d have a chance again to get to that top area to take a quarterback. We went into it realizing it was a risk, but we didn’t think we’d pick that high again for a couple of years. We would never have a chance to move from 12 to 3. We tried to move to a number of spots before that. But 3 was the first one that would do it. We looked at everything in between. We took our shot. We believed in him.

“I was hoping he’d play more his first year. We knew he wouldn’t come in and just take over from Jimmy. We were hoping to mix it in and give him some experience. Once he broke his finger (in the 2021 preseason finale), it got tougher for him. We knew we’d commit to him the next year, which we did. We knew he wasn’t fully ready in every aspect, but we knew with his skillset, we could put some stuff together to give him a chance to compete and grow with a good team as he developed. He got hurt in the first quarter of the second game which set that back.

“Now we’re in the third year, and we still have a good team. We thought it would be Trey. We got pretty fortunate falling into still having a rookie (contract) at quarterback for a second year. It happened to be a seventh-round pick. And we also look back at it as we didn’t think having the 29th pick, which those two first-round picks were (in 2022 and ’23), we were hoping it’d be 32, but two first-round picks at 29, we knew somebody wouldn’t consider moving up with that.

“It felt pretty fortunate what we fell into (with Purdy).”

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/08...ives-his-side-of-the-trey-lance-trade-tenure/

Excellent article that runs counter to a lot of the Spagnola level reasoning I am seeing around here. There is a ton more to read beyond what is quoted that speaks to the same.
 

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Feels kind of like RG3 and Kirk Cousins in washington. Cousins was the better player but RG3 was the potential guy who they drafted high and then got injured and couldn't stay healthy and washed out of the league in Baltimore.

I imagine having already been through this he knew enough to just make the move now and not let it sit and become a distraction.
 

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Feels kind of like RG3 and Kirk Cousins in washington. Cousins was the better player but RG3 was the potential guy who they drafted high and then got injured and couldn't stay healthy and washed out of the league in Baltimore.

I imagine having already been through this he knew enough to just make the move now and not let it sit and become a distraction.
That's what you take from the article? Really?
 

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RG3 had 800 attempts and 28 starts his first two years and succeed mightily in what was at the time a brand new scheme the first year before falling flat on his face to a 3-10 record in year two.

Lance hasn't even had 100 attempts.

But yeah seems like Lance was exposed too. :rolleyes:
 

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That's what you take from the article? Really?
They overpaid in the draft, he came in with a ton of potential, he got hurt repeatedly. He is not ready to play because he was so raw and can't stay healthy. The other guy they drafted came in more ready to play and can run the offense how they wanted. He was a late pick.

they do not want to play lance because as lynch said they are ready to win now.

What am I missing?
 

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They overpaid in the draft, he came in with a ton of potential, he got hurt repeatedly. He is not ready to play because he was so raw and can't stay healthy. The other guy they drafted came in more ready to play and can run the offense how they wanted. He was a late pick.

they do not want to play lance because as lynch said they are ready to win now.

What am I missing?
Lance got hurt. Read the post above for the rest.
 

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RG3 had 800 attempts and 28 starts his first two years and succeed mightily in what was at the time a brand new scheme the first year before falling flat on his face to a 3-10 record in year two.

Lance hasn't even had 100 attempts.

But yeah seems like Lance was exposed too. :rolleyes:
who said exposed, I said injured. Both guys got injured repeatedly. The other guy was better.
 

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who said exposed, I said injured. Both guys got injured repeatedly. The other guy was better.
I am talking about the comparison. RG3 played A LOT. That is the part you missed in your comparison of the relative moves.
 

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The 49ers gave up way too much for a player that had just 19 games of experience at North Dakota State. I know some people will say Brock Purdy took advantage of his limited reps better than Lance. While that is true, Purdy also played a lot more in college and at a higher level of competition.

Lance was not ready for the NFL when he came in as a raw 21 year old third overall pick. Every time he stepped onto the field I think he felt the weight of unrealistic expectations. Now he comes to a team with an established starter with zero pressure to play and zero pressure to answer critics about where he was drafted.

The arm strength, athleticism, and character the 49ers fell in love with are still there. Lance is still just 23. Let's give him time to learn the system, time to recover from his injuries, and time to get a mental reset. He couldn't get any of that in San Fran while fighting for his job. Here he knows his role and here he can relax.

Maybe the Cowboys strike gold. Maybe they get a nice backup. Maybe Lance is in the USFL in two years. We just have to wait and see.
 

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I am talking about the comparison. RG3 played A LOT. That is the part you missed in your comparison of the relative moves.
I don't think he's comparing RG3 to Lance. I think he's comparing the situations where Washington kept going with RG3 given the investment when it seemed obvious Cousins was the more consistent guy. Here, the 49ers are in a win now situation and just feel Purdy is the better option. They aren't going to just force Lance out there because they invested a ton in him like Washington did with RG3. For whatever reason, it's not worked out in San Fran and the 49ers have decided to just move on from Lance whereas Wasjington kept trygn to make RG3 work.

FWIW, I think the Cowboys trade is a smart trade. Classic buy low situation. If he works out awesome, if he doesn't, the cost was just a 4th round pick.
 

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I don't think he's comparing RG3 to Lance. I think he's comparing the situations where Washington kept going with RG3 given the investment when it seemed obvious Cousins was the more consistent guy. Here, the 49ers are in a win now situation and just feel Purdy is the better option. They aren't going to just force Lance out there because they invested a ton in him like Washington did with RG3. For whatever reason, it's not worked out in San Fran and the 49ers have decided to just move on from Lance whereas Wasjington kept trygn to make RG3 work.

FWIW, I think the Cowboys trade is a smart trade. Classic buy low situation. If he works out awesome, if he doesn't, the cost was just a 4th round pick.
What he said was: Feels kind of like RG3 and Kirk Cousins in washington. Cousins was the better player but RG3 was the potential guy who they drafted high and then got injured and couldn't stay healthy and washed out of the league in Baltimore.

Washed out of the league was front and center in the comparison. Your deduction is as usual not mutually exclusive.

I am just saying that RG3 played 28 games and had over 800 attempts in his first two seasons. He played poorly in year 2. IOW the writing as on the wall with RG3 where it is not in this case.
 

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Lance’s wishes of finding a spot where he could get needed practice reps as a No. 2, which is what he presumably will be in Dallas behind Dak Prescott.
Nope and other media are trying to portray this too that he is somehow elevated or has a better opportunity in Dallas, not happening.
 

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Nope and other media are trying to portray this too that he is somehow elevated or has a better opportunity in Dallas, not happening.
You don't think they are going to give him a shot to be QB2? I found it quite interesting that he is content being brought into a backup role.
 

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Nope and other media are trying to portray this too that he is somehow elevated or has a better opportunity in Dallas, not happening.
He's coming here without the burden of being the third overall pick and without the burden of hearing all the players the 49ers could have taken with the picks they gave up for him (which ironically includes Micah Parsons).

He will get plenty of scout team reps all season as he learns the offense and will certainly get a chance at QB 2 here at some point.
 

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You don't think they are going to give him a shot to be QB2?
He had an opportunity and Sam Darnold and Brock Purdy learned in a handful of months what Lance couldn't do in 2 years plus. He isn't beating Rush unless some mystical light bulb goes on for him. He has to learn a new offense too, so already a disadvantage.
 

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He had an opportunity and Sam Darnold and Brock Purdy learned in a handful of months what Lance couldn't do in 2 years plus. He isn't beating Rush unless some mystical light bulb goes on for him. He has to learn a new offense too, so already a disadvantage.
That is fair. I am just interested to see how he develops over the next to years.
 

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Kyle did not really give him a chance. And if I’m just being honest, he is not a quarterback guru like the media portrays him to be. I think Purdy regresses to the mean this year
 
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