5-2 defense?

[starfrombirth]

A 4 wr set would be murder vs a 5-2. If I were a qb I'd love to Ellis and Ware try to cover a wr.

They wouldn't have to. That is why you have AJ, Tnew, Henry, and Hamlin back there. They can cover any 4 wide group in the league. This is only possible because of the secondary we have developed this year.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

No. The idea is to have the Biggest bodies on the field that can pass rush and stand up against the oline to tackle a rb if he is there. I like James and Zak but they are not going to beat an Olineman to get to the qb unless the lineman is already occupied. With the lineup I had you would have single blocking on Hatcher, Ratliff, Canty, Tank, and Spears. Even Spears can handle that. That then leaves Ellis and Dware unblocked to the qb in a pass rush situation. If they move to block ware and ellis, who are you going to unblock of the front 5? If you go max protect to block them then who do you send in the routes to go against the secondary I mentioned that has a chance to win consistently.

If they are suppossed to stand up against the O Line 1 on 1 why was spears on the list.

 

[Yeagermeister]

They wouldn't have to. That is why you have AJ, Tnew, Henry, and Hamlin back there. They can cover any 4 wide group in the league. This is only possible because of the secondary we have developed this year.

Ok then 5 wrs....who would cover the 5th wr?

Like Hos said a spread formation would kill a 5-2

 

[starfrombirth]

They would put 2 TE packages in and have the TEs move laterally wide with the OTs doing the same. This would produce gaps. Trust me, they can block 7.

Remember Parcells saying we would "beg teams to blitz us?" Sending 7 exposes the Defense more than sending 5 or 6 would.

This is assuming that Tnew, AJ, Henry, and Hamlin couldn't cover 2 te's and 2 wr's long enough for the 7 I mentioned to get there. A few teams have a good 3 deep core but no one has a good 4 deep especially using te's. I would put Hamlin and Henry on the te's when they motioned out and AJ and Tnew on the wr's and when the ball is snapped..."UNLEASH THE HOUNDS!". I would take our 7 pass rushers against their 5 lineman, qb, and rb and we'd get their in 2.5 seconds. That's awfully quick to try and find an open receiver against that secondary. As I said, without the secondary that we currently have it wouldn't work but we DO have it so lets use it to our advantage.. NO? Wouldn't the scenario I just mentioned work? Couldn't Hamlin and Henry cover darn near any TE in the league for 2.5 seconds?

 

[starfrombirth]

Ok then 5 wrs....who would cover the 5th wr?

Like Hos said a spread formation would kill a 5-2

Seriously... 5 wr's? Ok, how about this. DWare is athletic enough he can cover any 5th receiver in the league for 2.5 seconds. A 1st thru 3rd receiver maybe not but a 5th, absolutely. How long is a team going to let their qb get creamed doing this? This leaves 5 blockers to block 6 of the best dlinemen passrushers in the nfl. Yeah I'd take this as well. Granted this scheme doesn't work against a team that doesn't have DWare or a secondary as talented as ours but this would work for us.

 

[dallasfaniac]

This argument is based upon the assumption that the offense will play vanilla.

For arguments sake, what happens when they go with 4 WRs to the left and a RB in the backfield? How do Ware, Ellis, Newman, Jones, Hamlin and Jenkins line up?

 

[starfrombirth]

This argument is based upon the assumption that the offense will play vanilla.

For arguments sake, what happens when they go with 4 WRs to the left and a RB in the backfield? How do Ware, Ellis, Newman, Jones, Hamlin and Jenkins line up?

Ok, fine. This defense is predicated on the secondary playing man up anyways so you put our secondary on them man up all on the left and ask them to cover for 2.5 seconds while Dware or Ellis handles the rb if he sneaks out or stays in and still crush the qb. THis is easy.

 

[DragonCowboy]

lol my cousin always used to do this in Madden...

go 5-wide and the defense is screwed.

(i put up 77 on him once - and i'm not good at all)

 

[Yeagermeister]

Seriously... 5 wr's? Ok, how about this. DWare is athletic enough he can cover any 5th receiver in the league for 2.5 seconds. A 1st thru 3rd receiver maybe not but a 5th, absolutely. How long is a team going to let their qb get creamed doing this? This leaves 5 blockers to block 6 of the best dlinemen passrushers in the nfl. Yeah I'd take this as well. Granted this scheme doesn't work against a team that doesn't have DWare or a secondary as talented as ours but this would work for us.

I guess you don't remember Ware trying to cover a wr in the Seattle playoff loss. He got toasted. A quick out and a juke by the wr means a td because their is no deep help.

 

[Hostile]

This is assuming that Tnew, AJ, Henry, and Hamlin couldn't cover 2 te's and 2 wr's long enough for the 7 I mentioned to get there. A few teams have a good 3 deep core but no one has a good 4 deep especially using te's. I would put Hamlin and Henry on the te's when they motioned out and AJ and Tnew on the wr's and when the ball is snapped..."UNLEASH THE HOUNDS!". I would take our 7 pass rushers against their 5 lineman, qb, and rb and we'd get their in 2.5 seconds. That's awfully quick to try and find an open receiver against that secondary. As I said, without the secondary that we currently have it wouldn't work but we DO have it so lets use it to our advantage.. NO? Wouldn't the scenario I just mentioned work? Couldn't Hamlin and Henry cover darn near any TE in the league for 2.5 seconds?

So let me ask you this.

The Offense puts in 4 WRs, you going man to man on all 4?

Then who protects the run if the Safeties are gone in coverage?

 

[Romo2Bryant4Six]

:madden:

if only it was...

 

[Clove]

I think you can definitely mix that formation in, but only a hand full of times in a game.

You need those huge fast guys who has the ability to cover, run, and the power to dislodge from guards/tackles.

 

[Yeagermeister]

So let me ask you this.

The Offense puts in 4 WRs, you going man to man on all 4?

Then who protects the run if the Safeties are gone in coverage?

I do that all the time on Madden. 4 wr set and send a rb up the middle for a big game.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Ok, fine. This defense is predicated on the secondary playing man up anyways so you put our secondary on them man up all on the left and ask them to cover for 2.5 seconds while Dware or Ellis handles the rb if he sneaks out or stays in and still crush the qb. THis is easy.

I'm no schematic technician, but when confronted by such a defense, it seems the OC would start sending his receivers deep and lobbing passes over the top. Most quarterbacks could probably execute this tactic in less than the necessary time, and it would place incredible pressure on the defenders; there are strong possibilities of either long completions or PI.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Ok, fine. This defense is predicated on the secondary playing man up anyways so you put our secondary on them man up all on the left and ask them to cover for 2.5 seconds while Dware or Ellis handles the rb if he sneaks out or stays in and still crush the qb. THis is easy.

So you are trusting all 4 defensive backs to handle their WRs with noone behind them; all of the defensive backs are their own last line of defense?

Are they pressing the WRs or giving them a slight cushion?

 

[Yeagermeister]

I'm no schematic technician, but when confronted by such a defense, it seems the OC would start sending his receivers deep and lobbing passes over the top. Most quarterback could probably execute this tactic in less than the necessary time, and it would place incredible pressure on the defenders; there are strong possibilities of either long completions or PI.

So you are trusting all 4 defensive backs to handle their WRs with noone behind them; all of the defensive backs are their own last line of defense?

Are they pressing the WRs or giving them a slight cushion?

BINGO we have winners

 

[dallasfaniac]

I'm only curious how our defensive backs are playing them because it doesn't appear that they have any help behind them when they press and the receivers run routes that cause legal picks, nor help in the middle of the field when they provide a cushion and the WR runs a slant. Or do you plan on having the linebackers sit back in coverage to take away the slant?

 

[Dalmations202]

I've always thought a 70 is pretty easy to beat with the back in the flats, or the TE block down, then up the seam.

A 70 works only as well as the ILB's who have to flow to the ball.

 

[starfrombirth]

I see the point in some of what your saying but wouldn't it still be a powerful blitz package?

 

[PullMyFinger]

When our OLB's move up to the LOS we basically play the 5-2.