5 favorite wrestling matches.

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Problem with Hogan is he wouldn't put other guys over unless he absolutely had to. And by '93 he had nothing really left as an in-ring performer and his gimmick had gotten sale anyway. But, promoters still wanted him and he still got his way on everything. After the initial shock of him going to WCW wore off, WCW PPV buyrates were mediocre and for the amount they were paying for him, it was really a loss financially. Then the nWo came along and after the initial shock of Hogan turning heel went away, the WCW buyrates were actually lower than ECW's.

The Rock is a far better in-ring performer. Much more athletic and does a far better job of putting guys over. There was a good stretch where the Rock put other wrestlers over, feud after feud. And it was brilliant because the Rock would still be popular, now they just got the wrestler who beat him over.

That to me is really the reason why the WWE took over WCW. The WWE got themselves with top echelon talent that included Austin, The Rock and Foley. All three were extremely entertaining and all three would put guys over. Shawn Michaels was on hiatus (and did put Austin over at WrestleMania).

Guys with huge egos and 'creative control' and wouldn't put guys over unless they ok'd it....Nash, Hall, Hogan, Savage and even Bret Hart...were all now in WCW and were WCW's problem.

Foley would've put over a broomstick if asked to do so. Same with the Rock. Austin was a little more apprehensive, but usually had good reasons and was really good at coming up with something to replace what he felt was a bad idea.

The problem with Hogan for me, even when there was a somewhat exciting or interesting storyline....like him vs. Goldberg....or him coming back to the WWE.....was that in the ring, when we were supposed to see the big payoff...you knew it was going to suck because he was so limited physically. And to make it worse, they still had to make Hogan look superhuman. So his opponent would look like crap in the process :banghead:

I don't watch much wrestling anymore and I find John Cena to be corny. But at least he's willing to put guys over, he is pretty athletic and there's a decent chance that the payoff will be pretty good.







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Yakuza Rich;3893389 said:
I always thought it was crazy that so many of those guys went to the same university, West Texas State:

Bruiser Brody
Dusty Rhodes
Tully Blanchard
Dory Funk, Jr.
Terry Funk
Tully Blanchard
Manny Fernandez
Ted Dibiase
Stan Hansen
Tito Santana
Blackjack Mulligan
Dick Murdoch
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I finally found it.

Ricky Romero.

He was the first wrestler I ever was a fan of. Sad to find out he passed away in 2006.

Never knew he was the father of the Youngbloods (Jay, Mark, and Chris).

Ya, a lot of those guys are from around here. I haven't been out lately but I used see Mark and Chris Romero out and about all the time. Dibiase Jr. was around for a while too.

There are several MMA fighters from around here as well. Paul Buentello, Evan Tanner, Heath Herring
 

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I watched Wrestling to be entertained and Hogan did just that.

He got me fired up one way or the other.

Is he the best in ring ever? Not even close. But 90% of that job is to cause a stir and he did just that.


But the reason I think HBK is the best ever is because he was the total package. He was amazing as an entertainer and even more amazing in the ring.
 

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Its the same as the rock or John cena, ultra-charismatic, great gimmick and great look.


Rock has more going for him than Hogan and Cena combined. Neither one of them come close to him charisma wise.
 

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Hostile;3893430 said:
I finally found it.

Ricky Romero.

He was the first wrestler I ever was a fan of. Sad to find out he passed away in 2006.

Never knew he was the father of the Youngbloods (Jay, Mark, and Chris).


Youngbloods rings a bell..but I draw a blank at Ricky Romero. Can't remember him.
 

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I watched Wrestling to be entertained and Hogan did just that.

He got me fired up one way or the other.

Is he the best in ring ever? Not even close. But 90% of that job is to cause a stir and he did just that.


But the reason I think HBK is the best ever is because he was the total package. He was amazing as an entertainer and even more amazing in the ring.


Hogan thinks he's a great wrestler...but really what did he do? Leg drop was about it..body slam. To me in the ring he was really limited but he did draw people in to watch and that was his job so he did what he was paid to do.

As great as Shawn was in the ring for the majority of fans he'll always be best known for screwing Bret Hart....there was a very good documentary out about Bret some years ago and it went thru that whole situation..Shawn flat out lied to Bret when confronted in the locker room..then Bret went and decked Vince. I wondered for years if that was all a shoot.
 

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Hogan thinks he's a great wrestler...but really what did he do? Leg drop was about it..body slam. To me in the ring he was really limited but he did draw people in to watch and that was his job so he did what he was paid to do.

As great as Shawn was in the ring for the majority of fans he'll always be best known for screwing Bret Hart....there was a very good documentary out about Bret some years ago and it went thru that whole situation..Shawn flat out lied to Bret when confronted in the locker room..then Bret went and decked Vince. I wondered for years if that was all a shoot.
Every Hogan match was exactly the same match.

The other guy is beating him senseless.

He starts to stomp around getting Hulked up. The other guy is now scared.

Enough is enough. Finger wave. Punch, block return punch, punch again.

Whip into the ropes, big kick.

Leg drop.

Pose and flex.

If you saw one Hogan match you have basically seen every match he ever was in.
 

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Every Hogan match was exactly the same match.

The other guy is beating him senseless.

He starts to stomp around getting Hulked up. The other guy is now scared.

Enough is enough. Finger wave. Punch, block return punch, punch again.

Leg drop.

Pose and flex.

If you saw one Hogan match you have basically seen every match he ever was in.


Yep that's about it. He's got to be one of the most famous wrestlers ever but yet he really had no game. I can't watch him on anything. He bores me to tears and always has.
 

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Yakuza Rich;3893783 said:
The problem with Hogan for me, even when there was a somewhat exciting or interesting storyline....like him vs. Goldberg....or him coming back to the WWE.....was that in the ring, when we were supposed to see the big payoff...you knew it was going to suck because he was so limited physically. And to make it worse, they still had to make Hogan look superhuman. So his opponent would look like crap in the process :banghead:

YR

Great analysis YR.

That's a "Hogan match"

One poor performing wrestler matched up with a guy who has to perform even worse in order to make the other guy look good.
 

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DallasGirl50;3893842 said:
Hogan thinks he's a great wrestler...but really what did he do? Leg drop was about it..body slam. To me in the ring he was really limited but he did draw people in to watch and that was his job so he did what he was paid to do.

As great as Shawn was in the ring for the majority of fans he'll always be best known for screwing Bret Hart....there was a very good documentary out about Bret some years ago and it went thru that whole situation..Shawn flat out lied to Bret when confronted in the locker room..then Bret went and decked Vince. I wondered for years if that was all a shoot.


Vince did the right thing imo.

Bret should've conceded the title. There is no way on earth Vince should've let him keep the title and then go to WCW the following Night/week.


Vince did the right thing and he couldn't have put the belt on a better Wrestler :).

Peaced out Bret via Sharpshooter lol.
 

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Guys like Flair, Dory Funk Jr, Jack Brisco, Harley Race, Bruno, Backlund, Nick Bockwinkel.

Those guys were all good wrestling champions, with the emphasis on wrestling.

Hogan lowered the bar... A lot.

Ultimate Warrior... Amazingly he was even worse.
 

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CATCH17;3893810 said:
I watched Wrestling to be entertained and Hogan did just that.

He got me fired up one way or the other.

Is he the best in ring ever? Not even close. But 90% of that job is to cause a stir and he did just that.


But the reason I think HBK is the best ever is because he was the total package. He was amazing as an entertainer and even more amazing in the ring.

I'm just giving you my perspective as to why I didn't like Hogan. And in his career, he wasn't well liked by most wrestlers because he usually acted like a jerk and a prima donna. In WCW, he had his own locker room.

HBK was/is a great wrestler. I found him on the mic to run off and on. He could be really great sometimes and sometimes be really bad. Another guy that was hated by other wrestlers because he acted like a jerk outside of the ring.

For me, I think Austin is the best ever. He took a company that was getting beat in the ratings and turned it around and made it a blow out for the WWE. Hogan had great heels to work with that drew everywhere. Iron Shiek was a great draw throughout his career, so was Roddy Piper, then Andre the Giant. Then he got Savage who was pretty early on into his career, but everybody saw as incredibly talented.

Austin never really had that until The Rock came around. He was good in the ring, came up with the entire Stone Cold persona by himself.






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MichaelWinicki;3893877 said:
Guys like Flair, Dory Funk Jr, Jack Brisco, Harley Race, Bruno, Backlund, Nick Bockwinkel.

Those guys were all good wrestling champions, with the emphasis on wrestling.

Hogan lowered the bar... A lot.

Ultimate Warrior... Amazingly he was even worse.

I still love watching old Harley Race matches. When you watch them, he's not really doing a lot, but he does it so well it just looks devastating. I was watching a squash match the other day and he probably hit all of 2 moves, then drops a knee that looks like he caved the guy's head in and then hits a fisherman suplex for the win. Really cool stuff.

I'm a huge Bockwinkle fan. I think his promos are about as good as it gets.






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CATCH17;3893863 said:
Vince did the right thing imo.

Bret should've conceded the title. There is no way on earth Vince should've let him keep the title and then go to WCW the following Night/week.


Vince did the right thing and he couldn't have put the belt on a better Wrestler :).

Peaced out Bret via Sharpshooter lol.

Vince also promised him a 25 year contract...then backed out of the deal.

IMO, Vince did the right thing because it got people talking more about the WWE in the end. WCW tried to use it to point out that the WWE was a sham, but it just brought attention to the WWE.

The WWE had the rising Steve Austin and this is really where Shawn Michaels did his best work, getting the Montreal incident over and then transtioning it to a feud with him and Austin.

Strategically, Vince did the right thing. Morally and ethically he didn't. But that's nothing new for Vince.





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CATCH17;3893863 said:
Vince did the right thing imo.

Bret should've conceded the title. There is no way on earth Vince should've let him keep the title and then go to WCW the following Night/week.


Vince did the right thing and he couldn't have put the belt on a better Wrestler :).

Peaced out Bret via Sharpshooter lol.


I don't agree..with all Bret and the Hart family did for WWE you don't treat him like that...there are TONS of wrestlers trained by Bret's old man and Bret was making Vince tons of money.

It's about respect. I am glad Bret decked him and Shawn lied about his involvement. One of the reasons he was so disliked by all his peers.
 

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I think a very under rated heel was Larry Zbysko. He had a great arrogance about him that I thought worked.
 

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MichaelWinicki;3893877 said:
Guys like Flair, Dory Funk Jr, Jack Brisco, Harley Race, Bruno, Backlund, Nick Bockwinkel.

Those guys were all good wrestling champions, with the emphasis on wrestling.

Hogan lowered the bar... A lot.

Ultimate Warrior... Amazingly he was even worse.


Ultimate Warrior use to wrestle in Houston..I saw him alot there. He was all bulked up there same as in WWF...for a long time he didn't do the interview stuff because he sounded so stupid. I can't remember his "manager" now...a heel Mexican guy who was really popular at the time but I can't remember his name...he did all the talking.
 

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I think a very under rated heel was Larry Zbysko. He had a great arrogance about him that I thought worked.


Agree..he was very good and actually was a good commentator as well.
 

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I cannot believe anyone still thinks the "Montreal screw job" was real.

Best work in Wrestling ever.
 

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DallasGirl50;3893893 said:
I don't agree..with all Bret and the Hart family did for WWE you don't treat him like that...there are TONS of wrestlers trained by Bret's old man and Bret was making Vince tons of money.

It's about respect. I am glad Bret decked him and Shawn lied about his involvement. One of the reasons he was so disliked by all his peers.

I disagree.

If Bret knew he was leaving the company he shouldn't have it his way and be able to leave as wwe champ.


Plus Vince was scared he would show up with the belt on WCW.
 
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