A Dak thread

[River82]

There's a reason why it was 10-10 with 9 minutes to go in the game against a team looking to quit

Yep, and the reason is our WRs kept dropping touchdown passes

 

[River82]

I think I'll dispel the myth that Wentz throws better down the field than Dak.

Wentz has attempted 20+ yards throws on 50 occasions. He has connected 14 times at a completion percentage of 28%
Prescott has attempted 20+ throws on 28 occasions. He has connected 9 times at a completion percentage of 33%

In other words Wentz has attempted 22 more throws and connected a mere 5 more times. It's not that Wentz is better at throwing downfield, it's just he heaves it downfield more often. He connects a God awful low number of times

 

[River82]

Wentz has attempted 30+ yards throws on 31 occasions and connected only 6 times. SIX. A completion percentage of 19%
Prescott has attempted 30+ yards throws on 12 occasions and connected 4 times. A completion average of 33%

Wentz fans are about as biased as you can get if they think Wentz is a genius at throwing down the field. He's not. He just heaves it down more often.

 

[Verdict]

...Sorry, couldn't help myself.



My point is I saw that Dak thread a couple weeks ago and God, how ridiculous to make such a conclusion on a second-year quarterback after a couple bad games. It happens to everybody. Dak redeemed himself as I knew he would.

I like the Dak thread. I haven't met a thread I didn't like. It is an inspiring thread. It motivates me to start on on someone else. Don't want to be a copy cat. Perhaps I will start one on Dez. I think it's long over due.

 

[HungryLion]

Can we also dispel the myth that Dak has a “weak arm” or a “noodle arm”?

He doesnt have a cannon but he has an NFL arm that is capable of making all the throws. It’s his mechanics that need to be more consistent.

As a matter of fact his nfl scouting reports are dead on accurate with what we have seen so far. It’s his consistency with his mechanics.

 

[DFWJC]

With all of their injuries, the coaching change, and general state of that team....the Giants are flat out putrid.
Really hard to puff ones chest our playing well against them.
It sure beats the alternative though

 

[Dorsett33]

I thought Giants game was first time he looked good in several weeks. Its a start. However, on all those long plays in Giants game I believe they were all throws for 7 yards or less. Still need to see him throw down field better and continue making teams pay for blitzing. Never questioned his heart but I still have some concerns about arm talent & ability to read defense when he is not getting "major" support around him.

He gets the touchdown...doesn't matter if he throws screens all day and they all go for scores...smh. It's time for some of those receivers to get some of those YACs anyway. Geez! There have been quite a few downfield passes and the receivers don't catch them. They guy has completed 63% of his passes and you wonder if he can read defenses? Really? Arm strength? Dak has thrown in more tight windows than any QB this year. News flash...you need arm strength to get balls in tight windows. I'm more worried about some of you not know what you're talking about or never played the position than Dak not having arm talent or intelligence to play QB. Smh.

 

[Sepia]

On the long gains for Dak and Rod Smith, several commentators noted that Dak was seeing the field, noticing no safety help in the middle or blitzes that could end up being long gains. On the Rod Smith 81-yard td, Dak was the one who got Rod in the right position.

 

[khiladi]

On the long gains for Dak and Rod Smith, several commentators noted that Dak was seeing the field, noticing no safety help in the middle or blitzes that could end up being long gains. On the Rod Smith 81-yard td, Dak was the one who got Rod in the right position.

That wasn’t a blitz at all.. The safety didn’t even bother with Rod, but went straight to Dez straight off the snap...

Dak made the proper read after looking left but if anything that play call was Linehan.

It was also spread anyways with everything in front of him and the matchup was Rod on a Lb straight off the snap from what i remember..

 

[DFWJC]

On the long gains for Dak and Rod Smith, several commentators noted that Dak was seeing the field, noticing no safety help in the middle or blitzes that could end up being long gains. On the Rod Smith 81-yard td, Dak was the one who got Rod in the right position.

Dak played much better.
But yes, 3 short passes resulted in about 190 yards and two TDs.
That will make anyone's stats look great.

But again, he did play much better. I think he's going to be ok.

 

[khiladi]

I also don’t get how people say Dez’s drop was an automatic TD anyways.. it would have been placed around the 5 or 4 from what I recall..

 

[River82]

I also don’t get how people say Dez’s drop was an automatic TD anyways.. it would have been placed around the 5 or 4 from what I recall..

It's Dez though, he can muscle it in (carry the whole Giants team across the line) from there

 

[River82]

Dez seriously should have caught that pass, though. No one was on him, and the ball practically hit him in the face.

 

[garyo1954]

I think I'll dispel the myth that Wentz throws better down the field than Dak.

Wentz has attempted 20+ yards throws on 50 occasions. He has connected 14 times at a completion percentage of 28%
Prescott has attempted 20+ throws on 28 occasions. He has connected 9 times at a completion percentage of 33%

In other words Wentz has attempted 22 more throws and connected a mere 5 more times. It's not that Wentz is better at throwing downfield, it's just he heaves it downfield more often. He connects a God awful low number of times

I agree the completion % is better. But you missed what that number actually tells you.

Using 28 as total number of passes beyond 20 yards is fine, and correct. But then posting a portion of that number as 30+ passes seems disingenuous and may leave the reader thinking Prescott threw 28 beyond 20 and an additional 6 beyond 30.
To break it down that way, make it clear like so:


Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 5 of 16
Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 2 of 6
Pass Thrown 41+ yds 2 of 6


28 is the LEAST NUMBER OF 20+ PASSES among (comp/att) Brady (24/59), Rothlisberger (17/70), Wilson(21/60), Wentz (14/50), Stafford(19/47), Ryan(11/46), Smith(21/44), Carr(13/42), Brees(16/41), Goff(15/41), Cousins(15/41) Rivers(11/41), Keenum(11/39), McCown(17/37), Manning(8/37), Bortles(6/37), Watson(14/35), Dalton(7/34), and Cutler(8/31), Flacco(7/31) among others.

If you notice everyone has a lower completion percentage beyond 20 yards. Everybody understands deep balls are low percentage throws. But they still keep slinging it.

Why do they keep slinging it if they know its a low percentage throw?

IT BACKS THE DEFENSE OFF.

A correlation could be drawn from the numbers that says the more you throw deep the more success you will have throwing short and the more success the team will have overall. As a cursory test, How many Super Bowls do you have between the top three Rothlisberger (17/70), Wilson( 21/60), and Brady(24/59)?

Completion percentage is sometimes just a good looking number.

 

[Sepia]

That wasn’t a blitz at all.. The safety didn’t even bother with Rod, but went straight to Dez straight off the snap...

Dak made the proper read after looking left but if anything that play call was Linehan.

It was also spread anyways with everything in front of him and the matchup was Rod on a Lb straight off the snap from what i remember..

I'm going based on Mickey reporting that Dez said he and Dak looked at each other based on the way the defense lined up and knew they had a touchdown.

 

[haleyrules]

At least its not a Wentz thread!!.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I also don’t get how people say Dez’s drop was an automatic TD anyways.. it would have been placed around the 5 or 4 from what I recall..

Makes for a better story

 

[River82]

Using 28 as total number of passes beyond 20 yards is fine, and correct. But then posting a portion of that number as 30+ passes seems disingenuous and may leave the reader thinking Prescott threw 28 beyond 20 and an additional 6 beyond 30.

No it shouldn't. 20+ means number of throws over 20 yards, 30+ means number of throws over 30 yards. 30+ is a sub group of 20+, and at no point should anybody be thinking that the number of 30+ throws is in addition to the 20+ throws. Unless you fail at english it's pretty clear.

The point of the 30+ statistic was that when Wentz goes for a real big throw, he pretty much always misses. As opposed to someone like Brady who averages over 30% in that category.

IT BACKS THE DEFENSE OFF.

It's quite easy to train someone who can throw it down field to be willing to throw it downfield. It's a lot harder if someone can't throw it downfield. Nobody is arguing that Prescott likes to throw downfield all day long, but people go a step further and say he can't. Prescott's fine throwing deep, he just needs to be willing to go there more often, and that's something that's fairly easy to fix.

 

[garyo1954]

No it shouldn't. 20+ means number of throws over 20 yards, 30+ means number of throws over 30 yards. 30+ is a sub group of 20+, and at no point should anybody be thinking that the number of 30+ throws is in addition to the 20+ throws. Unless you fail at english it's pretty clear.

The point of the 30+ statistic was that when Wentz goes for a real big throw, he pretty much always misses. As opposed to someone like Brady who averages over 30% in that category.



It's quite easy to train someone who can throw it down field to be willing to throw it downfield. It's a lot harder if someone can't throw it downfield. Nobody is arguing that Prescott likes to throw downfield all day long, but people go a step further and say he can't. Prescott's fine throwing deep, he just needs to be willing to go there more often, and that's something that's fairly easy to fix.

Love it when someone starts a post disagreeing and before they finish they end up agreeing. Although I don't agree on your assumption that Dak "likes to throw downfield all day long," I can't quit laughing enough to point how how silly that is.

 

[River82]

Love it when someone starts a post disagreeing and before they finish they end up agreeing. Although I don't agree on your assumption that Dak "likes to throw downfield all day long," I can't quit laughing enough to point how how silly that is.

I agree with most of your post. The only bit I don't agree with is the bit which said part of my post seems disingenuous.