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That's fine. But that doesn't mean that it was an easy decision. What actually happened and the sheer amount of discussion over it is ample evidence of there being more than one side to the story. There were substantial reasons to bring him back and significant reasons to not bring him back. Arguing totally in one direction or another is misguided.

I think DAL made their decision last year and then tried to talk themselves into it. A lot of fans have bought into it.

I have never seen a team so willing to let a player coming off an MVP type season go so easy.

He was a RKG, a hard worker, well liked, well respected and just hitting his prime.

"we'll see" is not a way to run the team, imo

Just for a minute pretend that this was Murray's fourth year and try to imagine trading him for a conditional 4th round pick in 2016.
 

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I used to follow the "how many years do the best players on the team have" philosophy, but experience over time has taught me that when you plan the upcoming season around your top 1-3 players, you usually lose for other reasons. For example, if a team overpays and sacrifices the next 2-3 seasons to win now, and they don't win or even make it to a Super Bowl, they then have a salary cap nightmare that will severely limit their potential for years to come.

Think about last season. We let Ware, Hatcher, etc. go, but could have easily said, "Romo's only got 2-3 years left so let's keep/resign them" and then had issues resigning Dez or other players. Romo has been great even before last year, but ultimately, this team has to be focused on the team, not just Romo. If we overpaid Murray for the next 3-4 years just to get a great year this season and either he gets hurt or one or more of our other "best" players gets hurt, we would then have salary cap issues for the next few years and basically got nothing for it.

Ultimately, NFL teams have to think beyond the current season to be successful, while we fans tend to focus more on this season. It's even worse when you have one or two top NFL players who are beyond 30 years old and you can hear the clock ticking. Unfortunately, that's life within the salary-capped NFL.

That theory didn't seem to apply to the Emmitt resigning in 93.
 

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I think when your team is THIS close, and the window is almost closed, you do what it takes to get to the super bowl and keeping Murray would have given us a great shot.

Randle/DMC combo is nothing more than rolling the dice. I hope it turne put ok.

Our defense can hopefully make up for any voids from the offense. I think the Is going to be real good this year.
 

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I think DAL made their decision last year and then tried to talk themselves into it. A lot of fans have bought into it.

I have never seen a team so willing to let a player coming off an MVP type season go so easy.

He was a RKG, a hard worker, well liked, well respected and just hitting his prime.

"we'll see" is not a way to run the team, imo

Just for a minute pretend that this was Murray's fourth year and try to imagine trading him for a conditional 4th round pick in 2016.

He missed three games due to injury in 2011. 6 str games in 2012. 3 games in 2013. He had a huge year last year. He did have a high rush average. After the first year he wasn't a home run threat. He was a good receiver. His running style is conducive to injuries esp his leading with his head and looking for contact.

So he was a good back with some injuries and a great contract year. One out of four years is not a great resume although again he was a very good back.

You're also missing the point the team offered him a good contract which Philly trumped but not by much.

So it's not as if the Boys just let the guy go. They put out there a contract that was reasonable but wouldn't go further.

Time will tell but this rueing the day stuff is getting old. We'll get to see if it matters as much as some think. My last remark on this.
 
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For me, tomorrow is today. I don't trust any of the trio of quarterbacks behind Tony Romo right now. This needs actionable response right now, before this season starts.

Nice thread post, Reality...and I agree on fiscal responsibility in the Cowboys team here and now. I had faith in directions back when the team came out of the renegotiated NFL contract and started to invest in the offensive line. They have since invested in the defensive line, and made it younger in all the key players on the DL. Hardy, Crawford, Lawrence, and Douglas will leave a mark on the NFL.

And adding Collins to Smith, Frederick, and Martin can only mean even more stability and quality developing in this offense. Adding a quarterback to that mix, is much easier than on other teams.

But don't start with a bunch of double clutchers for backups.
 

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Elway and Bronco's went 'all in' and so far no ring. But I can get the attraction of trying when you know your elite QB only has a few years left. So I am kind of torn on it. I agreed that Murray should be let go- that many carries so far has always meant the RB is never the same again with a few NOTORIOUS exceptions and Murray would not be one of them. I think you might see a sort of all in if Hardy has a great year and the Boys decide to try and keep him. Other then that there is no one really that I see that we need to break the bank to keep.
 

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Elway and Bronco's went 'all in' and so far no ring. But I can get the attraction of trying when you know your elite QB only has a few years left. So I am kind of torn on it. I agreed that Murray should be let go- that many carries so far has always meant the RB is never the same again with a few NOTORIOUS exceptions and Murray would not be one of them. I think you might see a sort of all in if Hardy has a great year and the Boys decide to try and keep him. Other then that there is no one really that I see that we need to break the bank to keep.

Did they get to the AFC Championship game?

Landry was famous for saying you stay near the top, get in the NFC Championship game, and pop through every few years and see happens.

Speculation that Murray should not be kept because of something that happened to another player needs to be applied to Romo when his career started.

Clint Stoerner went undrafted and bombed out. So using your theory about what will happen to Murray because of some other guy, Dallas should have never taken Romo, because Stoerner was a dud.
 

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Did they get to the AFC Championship game?

Landry was famous for saying you stay near the top, get in the NFC Championship game, and pop through every few years and see happens.

Speculation that Murray should not be kept because of something that happened to another player needs to be applied to Romo when his career started.

Clint Stoerner went undrafted and bombed out. So using your theory about what will happen to Murray because of some other guy, Dallas should have never taken Romo, because Stoerner was a dud.
you always like to ignore facts to try and make your point. And then you throw really dumb crap around about Romo. Which means you got nothing of substance to say at all.
 

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There have been a lot of discussions and concern about the loss of several players from last year, just like there was the year before when we lost other players like Ware, Ratliff, Hatcher, etc. Unfortunately, that is the consequence of having a salary cap. It sometimes means you have to let players go while they can still help your team, but it also helps keep teams from holding on to players too long. It's a normalization process that is tough to deal with as fans, especially when it comes to the extreme ends of that spectrum.

When players' rookie contracts are up, you have to weigh their importance to the team beyond the first season after that. Would Murray be worthy 8 million this year? Absolutely, but would he be worth 8 million next year or the year after that? Not sure about that. Would Parnell be worth $5-6 million this year? What about next year or the year after that? What about Harris? or Carter?

The point is that everyone complaining or concerned about players that we should have resigned for a lot of money this year are only thinking about this season. A lot of the fans who are complaining or pointing out the loss of players as potential season-killing moves would also be the same ones complaining in 2016, 2017, etc. about how Jerry and Co. have poorly managed the salary cap by giving out horrible contracts to backup or declining players. This scenario would be amplified if the Cowboys were to have overpaid for Murray, Harris, Parnell, Spencer, Carter, etc. and then failed to make it to the Super Bowl this or next season.

Am I concerned about finding replacements for the players we lost? Absolutely! Will at the end of the season I look back and blame a non-great year on the loss of those players? Not at all. Why? Because it's not like the Cowboys season was doomed by the loss of those players. Instead, it would mean they did a poor job of replacing them when you consider they had players already on the roster that they had inside knowledge of in their ability to replace the players not resigned and beyond that, they had free agency, the draft and the upcoming post-training camp cuts that will include a lot of veterans that could be signed to reasonable or overpaid (if desperate enough) one or two year contracts rather than long-term cap-harmful contracts.

In the past, the Cowboys front office tried year after year to win by retaining as many of their players as possible which led to salary cap hell year after year filled with overpaid contracts and millions in dead money. They finally started to think beyond the current season like most of the other successful teams. What this does though is put the success or failure of each season more on the front office and coaching staff rather than the players. The best teams trust in their front office and coaching staffs to weather the loss of players without hampering the team's success. Basically, it's time for the Cowboys front office and coaching staff to prove themselves and so far, with this new strategy the last couple of seasons, I think there is obvious reason to be optimistic for a change.

Murray: High probability of decline. He only played all 16 games in 1 or 4 seasons. Stats show a decline for almost all RBs with over 370 carries in a season. Stats also show RBs start to decline around age 27.

Harris: His return ability seemed to be declining and he didn't do much as a receiver other than block. It was nice that he was terrific gunner on special teams, but you can find those guys for the veterans minimum. Harris was WAY overpaid.

Spencer: He didn't do much and is getting old. He had microfracture surgery which has ended many athletic careers. His replacements are WAAAY better (Hardy, Gregory, etc..).

Carter: He didn't even start in weeks 12 though 16, but the rookie Hitchens did start those games. He got 4.25M average and was not even a full time starter. He has been beaten out by a rookie in Tampa Bay.

Ware: He was often injured and getting old. At the time he was cut the team didn't look like a playoff team. Cutting him was huge in getting the salary cap back into a good situation.

Parnell: Unlikely all of the others, he is just entering his prime. He has terrific physical ability and he is a prime age. He got better with each game last year because his only issue was a lack of experience. He looks terrific on his new team and he looks better than their 1st round pick from a year ago. He was better than Free in 2014. He allows 1/2 sack in 7 starts while Free allowed 5.5 sacks in 11 starts (according to Bob Sturm's in depth review). Now the Cowboys are stuck with Free who was never that good, but is now 31 and had foot/ankle surgery in both Jan 2014 and Jan 2015. Free missed a good portion of training camp resting his feet. His probability of either missing time or having a decline in his play due to these foot/ankle problems seems high.
 

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Parnell: Unlikely all of the others, he is just entering his prime. He has terrific physical ability and he is a prime age. He got better with each game last year because his only issue was a lack of experience. He looks terrific on his new team and he looks better than their 1st round pick from a year ago. He was better than Free in 2014. He allows 1/2 sack in 7 starts while Free allowed 5.5 sacks in 11 starts (according to Bob Sturm's in depth review). Now the Cowboys are stuck with Free who was never that good, but is now 31 and had foot/ankle surgery in both Jan 2014 and Jan 2015. Free missed a good portion of training camp resting his feet. His probability of either missing time or having a decline in his play due to these foot/ankle problems seems high.

I was surprised they did not resign Parnell, because as well as Free played last year, he was injured several games and is another year older. Parnell, while not awesome, was a solid replacement especially lined up next to Martin. My only thought is that the Cowboys believed that with Collins or Martin as their ultimate fallback for right tackle, they had enough insurance should Weems or someone else not step up during pre-season. Still, I would have tried to keep Parnell at least one more year until we knew what we have behind Free.
 

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I was surprised they did not resign Parnell, because as well as Free played last year, he was injured several games and is another year older. Parnell, while not awesome, was a solid replacement especially lined up next to Martin. My only thought is that the Cowboys believed that with Collins or Martin as their ultimate fallback for right tackle, they had enough insurance should Weems or someone else not step up during pre-season. Still, I would have tried to keep Parnell at least one more year until we knew what we have behind Free.

I think they could have signed him for a very reasonable contract if they would have done it prior to or during the 2014 season; however, they wouldn't sign him to a starters type contract while they were still calling Free the starter. Once Parnell proved himself, I'm sure his agent got word that other teams liked him and therefore, he was not going to sign cheaply in the spring.

Free's contract could be a 1 year, 6M deal if he is cut after 2015 so the investment was not that high. The fact that they drafted 2 OTs and have been developing Weems for 2-1/2 seasons tells me that they (front office, not Garrett) would like to replace Free next year if possible.

Parnell's contract was really nothing for Jacksonville because they have massive amounts of cap space.

For whatever reason, Garrett likes Free. Parnell's biggest fan was Callahan. Callahan and Garrett had somewhat of a power struggle with the 2013 ordeal of Callahan being named the play caller by Jerry. Once Callahan was gone with Garrett obviously remaining, I figured they would keep Free.

I think Weems can be a decent player but he needs a lot of reps. If he plays in a real game it could be ugly at first but if he is able to get a few starts I think he would eventually figure it out.

Green and Gibson both appear to have good upsides. Green was the more ready now player if he had stayed healthy and Gibson is has very good physical talent but is less developed than Green.

I'm still a little surprised that they didn't try La'el Collins at OT. They need a 2nd option to Weems and it's definitely not Dill or Wetzel and Gibson is still too raw, IMO. People have mentioned Martin moving to OT with Collins replacing him at RG, but Martin has not taken any snaps at OT since he has been here.
 

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Callahan liked Free more than Parnell who wasn't quite ready to play on Free's level. I realize many people here don't like Free but he is a good player and it has been difficult to displace him for good reasons. And they are not because someone liked him so much they kept a more talented player on the bench. Garrett has said and demonstrated he will put the better guys out there. It's just some fans who think they know more than the coaches. I'm not saying that has never happened here or elsewhere but I don't see it here since the coaches are calling the shots now.

I've always thought Parnell could play in this league but it took time to develop someone who'd never played on the OL.
 

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Callahan liked Free more than Parnell who wasn't quite ready to play on Free's level. I realize many people here don't like Free but he is a good player and it has been difficult to displace him for good reasons. And they are not because someone liked him so much they kept a more talented player on the bench. Garrett has said and demonstrated he will put the better guys out there. It's just some fans who think they know more than the coaches. I'm not saying that has never happened here or elsewhere but I don't see it here since the coaches are calling the shots now.

I've always thought Parnell could play in this league but it took time to develop someone who'd never played on the OL.
oh come on. It has happened many times over the years where coaches pets get special treatment. Just look at Hayden. And Parnell clearly had more upside and was younger then Free so frankly it was not a great decision. I think though that the boys really wanted someone a lot younger - so they decided to hang with free for a year or two more while drafting his replacement.
 

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There have been a lot of discussions and concern about the loss of several players from last year, just like there was the year before when we lost other players like Ware, Ratliff, Hatcher, etc. Unfortunately, that is the consequence of having a salary cap. It sometimes means you have to let players go while they can still help your team, but it also helps keep teams from holding on to players too long. It's a normalization process that is tough to deal with as fans, especially when it comes to the extreme ends of that spectrum.

When players' rookie contracts are up, you have to weigh their importance to the team beyond the first season after that. Would Murray be worthy 8 million this year? Absolutely, but would he be worth 8 million next year or the year after that? Not sure about that. Would Parnell be worth $5-6 million this year? What about next year or the year after that? What about Harris? or Carter?

The point is that everyone complaining or concerned about players that we should have resigned for a lot of money this year are only thinking about this season. A lot of the fans who are complaining or pointing out the loss of players as potential season-killing moves would also be the same ones complaining in 2016, 2017, etc. about how Jerry and Co. have poorly managed the salary cap by giving out horrible contracts to backup or declining players. This scenario would be amplified if the Cowboys were to have overpaid for Murray, Harris, Parnell, Spencer, Carter, etc. and then failed to make it to the Super Bowl this or next season.

Am I concerned about finding replacements for the players we lost? Absolutely! Will at the end of the season I look back and blame a non-great year on the loss of those players? Not at all. Why? Because it's not like the Cowboys season was doomed by the loss of those players. Instead, it would mean they did a poor job of replacing them when you consider they had players already on the roster that they had inside knowledge of in their ability to replace the players not resigned and beyond that, they had free agency, the draft and the upcoming post-training camp cuts that will include a lot of veterans that could be signed to reasonable or overpaid (if desperate enough) one or two year contracts rather than long-term cap-harmful contracts.

In the past, the Cowboys front office tried year after year to win by retaining as many of their players as possible which led to salary cap hell year after year filled with overpaid contracts and millions in dead money. They finally started to think beyond the current season like most of the other successful teams. What this does though is put the success or failure of each season more on the front office and coaching staff rather than the players. The best teams trust in their front office and coaching staffs to weather the loss of players without hampering the team's success. Basically, it's time for the Cowboys front office and coaching staff to prove themselves and so far, with this new strategy the last couple of seasons, I think there is obvious reason to be optimistic for a change.
Well..

Certainly a mouthful of thought here.

My only grip about it is that Romo only has at best 1-2 more years to lead this team if they are going to win.

I think all of us realize we are rapidly approaching a cliff when he no longer is the heart and soul and the only true player of superior ability.

Dez and Witten and a couple of others acknowledged.

So when the team made the decision to let Murray go..

I think we irrevocably altered the window of opportunity to win it all with Romo here.

Parnell I'm not concerned about or any of the others.

But Murray was the identiy of the team. He's gone.

For everything Romo is..without Murray..

I think he's less now and we are going to go back to seeing Romo try to do too much and fall back to the mistakes and error the additional pressure Romo is going to feel..

Trying to make up for Murray's exit.

Soo you can talk about building for the future which is fine..

But the way this team drags its feet about finding Romo's replacement..

your guess is as good as mine when the next great QB arrives.

What will be said is any QB can win behind this OL.

Just like they are betting any RB can run behind it.

Not too sure about that.

I think when we look back after this year and realize a RB should have been our no. 1 priority and not a CB..

we will see things differently.
 
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you always like to ignore facts to try and make your point. And then you throw really dumb crap around about Romo. Which means you got nothing of substance to say at all.

Concept thinking is foreign to you, huh?

How's this. You make the argument that Murray will decline. Because it happened to others.

No team EVER won a Superbowl in a year their tailback won the season rushing title.

Until Emmitt did it three times.

So what someone else does or doesn't do has no bearing on the next event that is similar. It's called chaos theory.
 

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Not only is that not comparable, it is also irrelevant to today's FO management. The cap didn't start until 1994.

The idea of paying too much for a player still applied then as it does now.
 
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