A few random post game thoughts from Verdict

[RS12]

I love Jimmy. At 81 years old you really think he is dumb enough to come back to this mess?

 

[Sydla]

Any analysis that gives McCarthy a pass but then seemingly rips Zach Martin?

LOL.

 

[ottawacowpoke]

Ben Johnson please.

 

[Cowboys22]

Reading the initial post and getting to the DQ part, a thought occurred to me. Did DQ change up the entire defensive game plan to a more conservative zone coverage style in an attempt to keep GBs offensive stats down to a level that would not jeopardize his head coach chances? Did he conclude that Love and GBs young offensive players weren’t good enough to consistently beat a zone defense but their speed could possibly put up huge stats if Dallas played normal man to man? If so, boy did that backfire on him.

 

[Verdict]

Zack is now a 7 time 1st Team All Pro, tying the record held by the top 3 Gs in NFL history.
He's got a few years left to top them all with another 1st Team All Pro.
Jerry is not trading away that potential legacy.
Hard to see them touching Tyron too. 2nd Team All Pro. We've kept him after much worse seasons.
And no way no how is he a backup T for any team next year.

I respect your point of view, but respectfully, this line of thinking (Jerry’s) is why we are where we are now. Witten was kept and overpaid WAY past his prime. Sean Lee was the same. We kept Emmitt way past his prime.

Tyron is a shell of his former self. Martin is getting accolades based on reputation at this point. I don’t think it was random that one of our best running performances was when the two young guys played against Washington.

We are paying Martin massive amounts of money to play guard. Is it helping us win SBs? No. Move on from that. We could do exactly what we did this past season with a middle round draft pick or cast off guard.

Martin can get you probably a first round pick right now. Ship him out, save the cap hit and draft a stud player with that first round pick.

Having said that, Dak is the single largest problem this team has. Either you move on from Dak (they won’t) or you build a team around Dak that carries Dak.

The problem with trying to win with Dak is how are you going to beat a great team when your QB simply doesn’t show up in big games in the first half and throws a couple of picks? That’s literally what Dak does against every good team.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I respect your point of view, but respectfully, this line of thinking (Jerry’s) is why we are where we are now. Witten was kept and overpaid WAY past his prime. Sean Lee was the same. We kept Emmitt way past his prime.

Tyron is a shell of his former self. Martin is getting accolades based on reputation at this point. I don’t think it was random that one of our best running performances was when the two young guys played against Washington.

We are paying Martin massive amounts of money to play guard. Is it helping us win SBs? No. Move on from that. We could do exactly what we did this past season with a middle round draft pick or cast off guard.

Martin can get you probably a first round pick right now. Ship him out, save the cap hit and draft a stud player with that first round pick.

Having said that, Dak is the single largest problem this team has. Either you move on from Dak (they won’t) or you build a team around Dak that carries Dak.

The problem with trying to win with Dak is how are you going to beat a great team when your QB simply doesn’t show up in big games in the first half and throws a couple of picks? That’s literally what Dak does against every good team.

On Martin, I agree that he wasn't up to his normal standard this year. Still very good, but not what he once was. But my point is that Jerry's philosophy is what it is, and Martin is just not going anywhere. And I think it's a disservice to Martin's season to mention it in the same breadth as the sack of potatoes late years of Witten.

And Tyron was *credibly* elite. Not what he once was in his prime, but most years the entire NFL just doesn't have someone comparable to Tyron in his prime. Tyron in his prime is just not a sensible yardstick to judge our options at LT.

Dak is a tricky one. Seems like he has recovered from the ankle injury. He's still tough. Doesn't break down. And he really has improved his accuracy. He's very accurate now.

His biggest remaining failing is just not seeing as much of the field as he needs to. He doesn't see the zone a crossing receiver is running *toward*, and this leads to INTs when he is a tick late in pulling the trigger, or when the defense has a more complicated zone with defenders running *toward* our receivers crossing into their zone.

To be fair to Dak, Lamb is great, but he's going to be doubled. Gallup, Cooks, Tolbert. Lots of meh. Not much separation out of them. I like Ferguson a lot, but he's more about YAC than separation. Against a good defense that can *effectively* clamp down on Lamb, there's just not a lot of separation we're getting out of the rest of the receiving corps.

And that's what we saw against GB. Lamb started the game very off. And there just wasn't much to the rest of the offense.

We *spent* a lot on Gallup, Cooks, and Lamb. We didn't *get* a lot. In particular, Cooks was supposed to be the guy to take the top off of a defense. And he just wasn't. Cooks is a nice veteran 3. Gallup and Tolbert are 4s.

Meanwhile, Dak got good production out of the very *marginal* deep threat of Turpin.

Dak throws a nice deep ball now, but we don't have the personnel to make use of that talent. And in the case of Pollard, we're not even making use of the deep talent we have. Finally, 1 deep target last year. It yielded a 60+ yard td. It's been there for the taking all along.

Note that deep balls over the top *avoid* Dak's weakness of not seeing the zone he's throwing *into*. Deep balls are throwing *over the top* of the deepest zones, not *into* them.

Over the top is an unexploited part of Dak's game that he *already* has. And he has a *record* of improving his game. Maybe he'll start seeing the field better. That's the kind of thing you expect out of veteran QBs. Their vision improves. The game slows down for them.

I'm not gonna hang our failures on Dak. He's not a HOF QB. Most QBs aren't. But he's more than enough to win with.

 

[TheHerd]

I agree with most of this post except the defensive talent. Micah is great, Tank is really good against the run. Diggs (if he comes back whole), Bland (at times) are good. The rest are average or below. No strength, no size. I’d say we have speed, but anytime we play a speed team everyone is petrified and DQ backs everyone off 15 yards, so I’d say don’t really even have speed.

 

[raven55]

i just set there and laughed and it was so funny i kept laughing at old fat man hamburger mike

 

[Ranching]

1. That game wasn’t close and the final score shouldn’t distract ownership from the fact that this team took a beating.

2. This loss isn’t all Dak’s fault, but it is partly Dak’s fault. Dak’s tendency is to run up the score on bad teams and get garbage stats when the game is out of reach. What is ABUNDANTLY CLEAR is that against good teams Dak ALWAYS gets off to a SLOW start and Dak doesn’t start settling down until the game is out of reach.

Dak is what he is. You either MOVE ON from Dak or you build a better team around him. The problem I see with the latter is Dak seems hell bent on being paid as a top 5 QB. Top 5 QBs don’t lay an egg every big game like Dak does.

3. The offensive line needs to be rebuilt. Martin is being paid TOP money. But the line isn’t performing like a top end line. Dallas MUST STOP paying premium money to players who are not drastically impacting the game favorably.

A. Move Martin for picks. Take your cap hit and move on. The young guards played as good or better the last game than this OL played tonight.

B. Biadasz. We need to improve significantly there. We can’t overpay to keep low end starter here.

C. Tyron has to go. He’s a has been and has been for several years.

D. Steele. Man he fell off a cliff after the injury.

E. The only guy who I think is safe on this entire OL is Tyler Smith.

4. The defense. Where do I start? There is plenty of talent to win on defense.

Quinn is a talented DC. But he’s also misused a lot of talent. How do you have THE BEST player in the league in Parsons and fail to shut anyone down.

5. Dallas must fortify BOTH trenches. That’s where the difference is made. You don’t build a team of skill position players and let them get pummeled. You build it from the inside out.

6. MM may not be the answer but he’s not the problem. I don’t care who the OC is—the trenches need to be better and Dak is a bit of a liability.

7. At receiver we seem to have CeeDee and a tight end (Ferguson). That Schoonmaker pick which I hated at the time looks even worse now. I don’t know why we forced that pick.

8. The running game MUST improve. The OL isn’t opening holes. We must replace the OL and rebuild it into a bully OL if we are going to keep Dak around. (Jerry will). We must also have a legit running game. We need to be scouting the RB ranks hard in this draft.

9. I understand why Jerry will keep Dak. But the Cowboys MUST throw competition at Dak. Serious competition. Dak must feel the breath of his competitors on his neck.

10. Honestly, I am torn on DQ. I think he does a decent job of assembling talent but not so good job of game planning. Dallas spent way too much time trying to get to the QB (and not getting there) and stayed in zone coverage far too long in this game.

I think DQ has the ability to game plan, but was distracted by the possibility that he would get a head coaching gig. I’m ready for DQ to move on.

11. Does the Hoodie come to Dallas? IDK if I am for that or not. I think I would try to pry Bienemy away from Washington as OC move on from DQ and elevate the DB coach as OC. (I forget his name-played at Green Bay).

12. Hot take? Jerry makes up with Jimmy Johnson and lets JJ have a season to see if he can recapture the magic and go to one more SB.

All except 12

 

[kskboys]

It's time to make serious changes at all levels of this Cowboys organization. Unfortunately, that won't happen as long as ownership is so involved in Football operations. Accountability is impossible in the front office. Jerry won't fire himself or Stephen. These are the facts.

So I am afraid, my fellow Cowboys fans, that we are in store for more of the same of what we have been experiencing for nearly 30 years.

The rotation of coaches doesn't seem to work.

Can't stop the run, QB lays an egg. Status quo for Jerry built teams.

 

[diamonddelts]

Can't stop the run, QB lays an egg. Status quo for Jerry built teams.

Yep.

 

[Captain-Crash]

nothing will ever change with this loser team, except you guys thinking every year this is the year. LMAO..........I'm going all emoji on this one just like that low-IQ loser who has to put that crap in ever post he makes.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Quinn has to go. This defense was bad from November and on

 

[Flamma]

2. This loss isn’t all Dak’s fault, but it is partly Dak’s fault. Dak’s tendency is to run up the score on bad teams and get garbage stats when the game is out of reach. What is ABUNDANTLY CLEAR is that against good teams Dak ALWAYS gets off to a SLOW start and Dak doesn’t start settling down until the game is out of reach.

Dak is what he is. You either MOVE ON from Dak or you build a better team around him. The problem I see with the latter is Dak seems hell bent on being paid as a top 5 QB. Top 5 QBs don’t lay an egg every big game like Dak does.

This is what I've noticed as well. You're describing someone that has issues under pressure situations. Loosens up when we're leading, or, like in this last game, when the game was already over. I don't know how you fix that.

 

[visionary]

First, it's time to cut the cord with Prescott. Other teams have moved on from their supposed "franchise QB" and have turned out ok.

Second, let Dan Quinn move on. I hope he gets the Seattle job.

Last, I would keep McCarthy for his last year on the contract. Win and continue, lose and your out.

The trenches can be fixed. Biadasz will not be resigned. Martin is still playing at a level where he isn't a liability. I believe one season removed from the ACL injury will have Steele playing like he was before the injury. Move Tyler out to LT. Sign Tryon to a team friendly deal to be the swing tackle. Draft a center then guard to complete the line.

On defense, get Mazi into the offseason program to make him stronger and able to keep his weight. Draft more space eaters on the interior. Play Sam Williams more at end and move Parsons to LB where he could lineup anywhere. Bring back LVE and hope Overshown can give you something coming back from injury. The LBer position is the where I would focus free agency on. Just need one good one. I would also draft one. The secondary will be fine with Diggs returning.

Those are a few steps I would take.

This
Prescott and Quinn are absolutely non negotiable. Have to get rid if them
Mccarthy too if BB, Harbaugh or even Vrabel are an option
Build the trenches

 

[LittleD]

Belicheat is just like Parcells. They want total GM control over players which Jerry is loathe to give. Both Bills know great coaches can't work for Jerry. Jerry is the
puppet master and great coaches will not come to work for him.

 

[Longboysfan]

First, it's time to cut the cord with Prescott. Other teams have moved on from their supposed "franchise QB" and have turned out ok.

Second, let Dan Quinn move on. I hope he gets the Seattle job.

Last, I would keep McCarthy for his last year on the contract. Win and continue, lose and your out.

The trenches can be fixed. Biadasz will not be resigned. Martin is still playing at a level where he isn't a liability. I believe one season removed from the ACL injury will have Steele playing like he was before the injury. Move Tyler out to LT. Sign Tryon to a team friendly deal to be the swing tackle. Draft a center then guard to complete the line.

On defense, get Mazi into the offseason program to make him stronger and able to keep his weight. Draft more space eaters on the interior. Play Sam Williams more at end and move Parsons to LB where he could lineup anywhere. Bring back LVE and hope Overshown can give you something coming back from injury. The LBer position is the where I would focus free agency on. Just need one good one. I would also draft one. The secondary will be fine with Diggs returning.

Those are a few steps I would take.

1 - Yes. We've seen enough.
2 - Yes. We've had enough. We run over bad offensive teams. Good offensive teams light us up. Get someone to scheme Micha to 1 v 1 chances.
Last - I think we have the tools on the current roster to remake the Offensive line. T.J. Bass and Brock Hoffman could step in. Unless a killer OT falls to our draft slot - don't bother here.
Yes. Manzi into off season program. Look to replace DE's depth that can run stop. We can rush the passer plenty well.
Yes. Look LB in the draft.
We're good at WR and TE.
We're good in the kicking game.

 

[HanD]

Belicheat is just like Parcells. They want total GM control over players which Jerry is loathe to give. Both Bills know great coaches can't work for Jerry. Jerry is the
puppet master and great coaches will not come to work for him.

But from what I've seen in interviews bp loved his time here.

 

[LysleE]

We all know that nothing will change. Jerry will ultimately extend Dak, which will prevent the team from shoring up weaknesses and bringing in talent.
And what competent coach would even want to come to Dallas and have to deal with Jerry’s meddling and undermining? There is a reason why Jerry hires/promotes coaches like Campo, Phillips, Gailey, Switzer, Garrett and now McCarthy. Parcells and Johnson refused to deal with it so they left.
In short, the mediocrity will continue.

 

[LittleD]

But from what I've seen in interviews bp loved his time here.

When Jerry brought in "The Player" Bill bid his time and went farewell.