A Hater's Take

[Blitzen]

I guess guts can take a guy pretty far in the league. Dak plays better in high leverage situations. Maybe the intensity increases his focus which helps his accuracy and ability. I'm good with it as long as the team keeps winning. Not sure the team should invest tons of cash on him because it looks like Cooper and Elliott had even more to do with the win than Dak (along with a defense that largely held off the Philly offense for the bulk of the game).

My list of stuff Dak needs to improve (though this stuff is difficult to improve after many years of ingrained habits). Footwork and pocket presence. How he moves around the pocket looks slow and not well thought out. He has to get better at escaping the most immediate threat and setting himself up for a throw away or being able to survey the field and try for some positive yardage by running or throwing. You cannot put that all on coaching because Dak will have been working on this stuff all along.

He must continue to work on giving his receiver more of a chance on routes that are moving towards the opponent end zone. Not just deep targets, but medium and short range targets where the receiver gets hit in stride heading down the field. Seam and go routes where he consistently gives his receiver a shot. He hit two yesterday and must be prepared to hit more as that is what the defenses are giving him. The opposing secondaries do not anticipate Dak trying these types of routes much which is why they sit on come back and stop routes.

One of the biggest reasons that a QB gets drafted high is they have already displayed the ability to hit on these types of routes consistently even when defended well. Teams want the QB to be able to hit on the indefensible great throw/great catch because of the impact it can have on the outcome of a game.

Every single Cowboy supporter wants the team to win the SB. Let's enjoy the win and understand that different opinions are healthy. No one actually wants a Cowboy to do poorly though I think many have trouble with belief and faith. Go Cowboys!

 

[75boyz]

I guess guts can take a guy pretty far in the league. Dak plays better in high leverage situations. Maybe the intensity increases his focus which helps his accuracy and ability. I'm good with it as long as the team keeps winning. Not sure the team should invest tons of cash on him because it looks like Cooper and Elliott had even more to do with the win than Dak (along with a defense that largely held off the Philly offense for the bulk of the game).

My list of stuff Dak needs to improve (though this stuff is difficult to improve after many years of ingrained habits). Footwork and pocket presence. How he moves around the pocket looks slow and not well thought out. He has to get better at escaping the most immediate threat and setting himself up for a throw away or being able to survey the field and try for some positive yardage by running or throwing. You cannot put that all on coaching because Dak will have been working on this stuff all along.

He must continue to work on giving his receiver more of a chance on routes that are moving towards the opponent end zone. Not just deep targets, but medium and short range targets where the receiver gets hit in stride heading down the field. Seam and go routes where he consistently gives his receiver a shot. He hit two yesterday and must be prepared to hit more as that is what the defenses are giving him. The opposing secondaries do not anticipate Dak trying these types of routes much which is why they sit on come back and stop routes.

One of the biggest reasons that a QB gets drafted high is they have already displayed the ability to hit on these types of routes consistently even when defended well. Teams want the QB to be able to hit on the indefensible great throw/great catch because of the impact it can have on the outcome of a game.

Every single Cowboy supporter wants the team to win the SB. Let's enjoy the win and understand that different opinions are healthy. No one actually wants a Cowboy to do poorly though I think many have trouble with belief and faith. Go Cowboys!

Your last sentence accurately sums me up for all of the quarterback limitations you listed. Additionally, I do not see the progress after 3 years of watching that I expect.
I just hope this Cinderella season doesnt strike midnight until after a Super Bowl win as improbable as that may be. I won't hold my breath for it to happen though for all of the reasons you mentioned.

 

[Clove]

Any comments on the offensive coordinator/QB Coach/Offensive line injures-bad play/ bad route concepts / being forced into plays and not allowed to change plays as he so stubbornly did last night? Any comments on any of that stuff?

 

[Hook'em#11]

Every single Cowboy supporter wants the team to win the SB. Let's enjoy the win and understand that different opinions are healthy. No one actually wants a Cowboy to do poorly though I think many have trouble with belief and faith. Go Cowboys!

This was all that had to be typed. Sums it all up.

 

[Blitzen]

Any comments on the offensive coordinator/QB Coach/Offensive line injures-bad play/ bad route concepts / being forced into plays and not allowed to change plays as he so stubbornly did last night? Any comments on any of that stuff?

Bro, he struggled in college to hit those routes. Which is why teams including our own did not target him in the draft till much later. Of course, the coaches and coordinators could assist him in improving more.

This idea that the coaches are to blame for most of his struggles that I named has some merit. But along with that, you have to think the coaches may avoid asking him to throw those types of routes because of what they see from him in practice. And he may avoid throwing them because of his confidence in throwing the route.

 

[Clove]

Bro, he struggled in college to hit those routes. Which is why teams including our own did not target him in the draft till much later. Of course, the coaches and coordinators could assist him in improving more.

This idea that the coaches are to blame for most of his struggles that I named has some merit. But along with that, you have to think the coaches may avoid asking him to throw those types of routes because of what they see from him in practice. And he may avoid throwing them because of his confidence in throwing the route.

Explain to me what the Cowboys won with this same coaching staff and Romo?

 

[Blitzen]

Explain to me what the Cowboys won with this same coaching staff and Romo?

Explain to me how the coaches are to blame for of the Dak struggles I mentioned. Don't get too emotional. You disagree with my assessment of his struggles? Or you think it's mostly due to poor coaching?

 

[Clove]

Explain to me how the coaches are to blame for of the Dak struggles I mentioned. Don't get too emotional. You disagree with my assessment of his struggles? Or you think it's mostly due to poor coaching?

Do you think his Oline is holding on in pass-protection? Do you think the scheme concepts are conducive to smooth flow offense? Run up and turn around, that's the concept, even Amari mentioned it in the press conference, did you watch that? So Romo changed the plays all the time while Dak sticks to the script. But once Jerry gives him the go-ahead to start changing plays, then we'll see.

Do you like his 5th grade QB coach? All of these things can affect a young QB, and yet, he's winning OVER A TOP FLIGHT QB LIKE ANDREW LUCK!!!!

 

[Blitzen]

Do you think his Oline is holding on in pass-protection? Do you think the scheme concepts are conducive to smooth flow offense? Run up and turn around, that's the concept, even Amari mentioned it in the press conference, did you watch that? So Romo changed the plays all the time while Dak sticks to the script. But once Jerry gives him the go-ahead to start changing plays, then we'll see.

Do you like his 5th grade QB coach? All of these things can affect a young QB, and yet, he's winning OVER A TOP FLIGHT QB LIKE ANDREW LUCK!!!!

Calm down buddy. I have already said I want the Cowboys to win (with whoever is playing QB). My general statement is that while Dak can hit certain routes, he rarely attempts the routes I spoke of (which the offense runs routinely).

Dak is more comfortable throwing shorter routes that are not headed vertically. Watch the all 22 from each of his games including 2016 (where the bulk of the long yardage success was on back shoulder jump balls). Linehan was OC in 2016 and his offense led to 13 wins.

 

[Clove]

Calm down buddy. I have already said I want the Cowboys to win (with whoever is playing QB). My general statement is that while Dak can hit certain routes, he rarely attempts the routes I spoke of (which the offense runs routinely).

Dak is more comfortable throwing shorter routes that are not headed vertically. Watch the all 22 from each of his games including 2016 (where the bulk of the long yardage success was on back shoulder jump balls). Linehan was OC in 2016 and his fifth grade education led to 13 wins.

I'm as calm as the red sea. I just want you to add those things in your commentary as things that are possibly affecting those things you'd like for him to get better at. You see, if he corrected let's say, his accuracy on deep passes, then we should call them more, we should block better, scheme better (move players over where the safety is to keep him away from said receiver) and lastly, we need Gallup to stop "stopping" on deep plays like that. And if they have chemistry issues, then they need to work tirelessly on them in practice because he doesn't have chemistry issues with Cooper whatsoever.

 

[acr731]

I don't mind admitting I want Garrett to fail and get fired, but I don't want the team to fail. If this makes sense.

 

[basilhayden]

Blitzen, I agree with both you and Clove.

 

[basilhayden]

I don't mind admitting I want Garrett to fail and get fired, but I don't want the team to fail. If this makes sense.

We we're all talking tank at 3-5.
It was the best path at the time...

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I guess guts can take a guy pretty far in the league. Dak plays better in high leverage situations. Maybe the intensity increases his focus which helps his accuracy and ability. I'm good with it as long as the team keeps winning. Not sure the team should invest tons of cash on him because it looks like Cooper and Elliott had even more to do with the win than Dak (along with a defense that largely held off the Philly offense for the bulk of the game).

My list of stuff Dak needs to improve (though this stuff is difficult to improve after many years of ingrained habits). Footwork and pocket presence. How he moves around the pocket looks slow and not well thought out. He has to get better at escaping the most immediate threat and setting himself up for a throw away or being able to survey the field and try for some positive yardage by running or throwing. You cannot put that all on coaching because Dak will have been working on this stuff all along.

He must continue to work on giving his receiver more of a chance on routes that are moving towards the opponent end zone. Not just deep targets, but medium and short range targets where the receiver gets hit in stride heading down the field. Seam and go routes where he consistently gives his receiver a shot. He hit two yesterday and must be prepared to hit more as that is what the defenses are giving him. The opposing secondaries do not anticipate Dak trying these types of routes much which is why they sit on come back and stop routes.

One of the biggest reasons that a QB gets drafted high is they have already displayed the ability to hit on these types of routes consistently even when defended well. Teams want the QB to be able to hit on the indefensible great throw/great catch because of the impact it can have on the outcome of a game.

Every single Cowboy supporter wants the team to win the SB. Let's enjoy the win and understand that different opinions are healthy. No one actually wants a Cowboy to do poorly though I think many have trouble with belief and faith. Go Cowboys!

Dak's pocket presence yesterday was fantastic yesterday for what it's worth. Nice to see .

 

[Bullflop]

Any comments on the offensive coordinator/QB Coach/Offensive line injures-bad play/ bad route concepts / being forced into plays and not allowed to change plays as he so stubbornly did last night? Any comments on any of that stuff?

Perhaps Dak will get the go-ahead to change the calls at pre-snap once he masters reading defenses and total familiarity with our offense. It took Romo quite a while to get the "kill-kill-kill" blessing from Jerry and the staff, as I recall. Of course, it really became a routine thing from then on.

 

[Clove]

When I think about it, Dak looks like a HOFer when he throws to Cooper.

 

[acr731]

When I think about it, Dak looks like a HOFer when he throws to Cooper.

Except when you do the math and compute the yards after catch. Subtract that from his overall yardage total and he turns into the pedestrian QB he really is.

 

[Ranched]

Except when you do the math and compute the yards after catch. Subtract that from his overall yardage total and he turns into the pedestrian QB he really is.

Dak completed all five of his passes for 58 yards, including his 15 yard winner to Coop with 1:55 to play.

Granted he committed 3 turnovers (he's allowed to have a bad game) in the first three quarters, but Dak was nearly flawless in the fourth quarter and overtime, throwing for 243 yards and three touchdowns.

Dak has not had a three TD game this season. He had not passed for more 243 yards in seven different games. Let's give some credit where it's due. Why some fans always look at the bad in our QB's instead of the good it beyond comprehension.

Last but not least, Cowboys are the ONLY team in the league with a five game winning streak. Let's give the kid some credit, after all, not only were his numbers better than 11x Pro Bowler Brees two weeks ago, but Dak played lights out vs the best team in the NFL and won.

To be the best, you have to beat the best.

 

[Blitzen]

I'm as calm as the red sea. I just want you to add those things in your commentary as things that are possibly affecting those things you'd like for him to get better at. You see, if he corrected let's say, his accuracy on deep passes, then we should call them more, we should block better, scheme better (move players over where the safety is to keep him away from said receiver) and lastly, we need Gallup to stop "stopping" on deep plays like that. And if they have chemistry issues, then they need to work tirelessly on them in practice because he doesn't have chemistry issues with Cooper whatsoever.

These discussions are not an all or nothing. The QB position is not equally important to each team but carries a great deal of weight just by the sheer number of times they touch the ball and can affect each play.

When someone is being critical of the QB, you shouldn't assume that the person feels that all the other players are performing excellent. We don't need that disclaimer.

Dak's struggles with the issues I spoke about are something that he has been dealing with before the pros. If he can continue to enhance and improve the passing attack, then I can understand the need to extend him.

 

[Clove]

These discussions are not an all or nothing. The QB position is not equally important to each team but carries a great deal of weight just by the sheer number of times they touch the ball and can affect each play.

When someone is being critical of the QB, you shouldn't assume that the person feels that all the other players are performing excellent. We don't need that disclaimer.

Dak's struggles with the issues I spoke about are something that he has been dealing with before the pros. If he can continue to enhance and improve the passing attack, then I can understand the need to extend him.

I see what you're saying, but QBing isn't all or nothing. They need all parts to work simultaneously. Every QB has things to work on, so that's a given, especially young QBs, but while he's learning from a subpar coordinator, he's winning.