A Hater's Take

[acr731]

No it makes no sense.

 

[Clove]

If he wanted to comment on those aspects, he would have addressed them or created a thread about it.

If you want to go into that then go click on the threads that have been created regarding those issues.

If he's going to talk about **** that Dak needs to work on, let's talk about the ENTIRE THING. Don't nic pic, let's get it all out on the table or shut up about it.

 

[CrownCowboy]

If he's going to talk about **** that Dak needs to work on, let's talk about the ENTIRE THING. Don't nic pic, let's get it all out on the table or shut up about it.

LOL so now you are telling people how to think and how to post?

Get the hell outta here with that.

People can speak about individual play and what they think should be cleaned up and worked on.

So tell me....

How in the world did Dak get his scouting report made up?

Was all of his problems that he has individually because he had piss poor coaches at Miss St. too?

Who else can we blame here?

 

[Dorsett33]

Bro, he struggled in college to hit those routes. Which is why teams including our own did not target him in the draft till much later. Of course, the coaches and coordinators could assist him in improving more.

This idea that the coaches are to blame for most of his struggles that I named has some merit. But along with that, you have to think the coaches may avoid asking him to throw those types of routes because of what they see from him in practice. And he may avoid throwing them because of his confidence in throwing the route.

How do you know this to be true? There are reports that said he dropped in the draft cause of his DUI. Some of you try your best to act like you know what your talking about. I can respect an opinion but untrue statements or unknown information is what a lot of haters use...smh

 

[waving monkey]

I guess guts can take a guy pretty far in the league. Dak plays better in high leverage situations. Maybe the intensity increases his focus which helps his accuracy and ability. I'm good with it as long as the team keeps winning. Not sure the team should invest tons of cash on him because it looks like Cooper and Elliott had even more to do with the win than Dak (along with a defense that largely held off the Philly offense for the bulk of the game).

My list of stuff Dak needs to improve (though this stuff is difficult to improve after many years of ingrained habits). Footwork and pocket presence. How he moves around the pocket looks slow and not well thought out. He has to get better at escaping the most immediate threat and setting himself up for a throw away or being able to survey the field and try for some positive yardage by running or throwing. You cannot put that all on coaching because Dak will have been working on this stuff all along.

He must continue to work on giving his receiver more of a chance on routes that are moving towards the opponent end zone. Not just deep targets, but medium and short range targets where the receiver gets hit in stride heading down the field. Seam and go routes where he consistently gives his receiver a shot. He hit two yesterday and must be prepared to hit more as that is what the defenses are giving him. The opposing secondaries do not anticipate Dak trying these types of routes much which is why they sit on come back and stop routes.

One of the biggest reasons that a QB gets drafted high is they have already displayed the ability to hit on these types of routes consistently even when defended well. Teams want the QB to be able to hit on the indefensible great throw/great catch because of the impact it can have on the outcome of a game.

Every single Cowboy supporter wants the team to win the SB. Let's enjoy the win and understand that different opinions are healthy. No one actually wants a Cowboy to do poorly though I think many have trouble with belief and faith. Go Cowboys!

I wouldn't call this a haters thread. It's an analysis and a lot is accurate. Haters have their negative emotions on blast.

 

[Blackrain]

Perfect NFL QBs are not always made on the fans time line . They just don't come out of school turn key and ready to compete at an NFL level in every aspect . There is a maturation process . Dak has all the tools to become a COMPLETE NFL QB he just needs better coaching and more time to mature and become a finished product .

He has shown what he can do . As he matures he will do it more consistently . At some point soon he will develop the chemistry with his rookie receiver the timing is about astride off and look out but nobody has any patients for that to happen .

He was Romos replacement so he needs to be in 3 yrs what it took Romo 10 to achieve no matter how bad the Oline is or how predictable the playcalling is he is expected to throw 50 + times have no turnovers and drop dimes under pressure all day .

Some fans have realistic expectations and understand how long it can take to become the finished product and can enjoy the great football Dak is giving us by putting the team back overcoming his and teammates mistakes and winning

At some point when Dak takes us farther than Tony ever did people will understand . Tony wanted to be a great passer and he achieved that goal . Dak wants to do what ever necessary to win a SB and he will achieve that goal

 

[fredp22]

I guess guts can take a guy pretty far in the league. Dak plays better in high leverage situations. Maybe the intensity increases his focus which helps his accuracy and ability. I'm good with it as long as the team keeps winning. Not sure the team should invest tons of cash on him because it looks like Cooper and Elliott had even more to do with the win than Dak (along with a defense that largely held off the Philly offense for the bulk of the game).

My list of stuff Dak needs to improve (though this stuff is difficult to improve after many years of ingrained habits). Footwork and pocket presence. How he moves around the pocket looks slow and not well thought out. He has to get better at escaping the most immediate threat and setting himself up for a throw away or being able to survey the field and try for some positive yardage by running or throwing. You cannot put that all on coaching because Dak will have been working on this stuff all along.

He must continue to work on giving his receiver more of a chance on routes that are moving towards the opponent end zone. Not just deep targets, but medium and short range targets where the receiver gets hit in stride heading down the field. Seam and go routes where he consistently gives his receiver a shot. He hit two yesterday and must be prepared to hit more as that is what the defenses are giving him. The opposing secondaries do not anticipate Dak trying these types of routes much which is why they sit on come back and stop routes.

One of the biggest reasons that a QB gets drafted high is they have already displayed the ability to hit on these types of routes consistently even when defended well. Teams want the QB to be able to hit on the indefensible great throw/great catch because of the impact it can have on the outcome of a game.

Every single Cowboy supporter wants the team to win the SB. Let's enjoy the win and understand that different opinions are healthy. No one actually wants a Cowboy to do poorly though I think many have trouble with belief and faith. Go Cowboys!

agree with post. Confused on why the team refuses to give Dak a competent coach. Its like hes trying his hardest but only with what he knows and noone to correct/help with his flaws. Goff is best example of how a better coach can make a change. What has Moore done to qualify for this position-if anything he's probably hurting. This team with Linehan, Garrett, and Moore replaced with better leaders would be something.

 

[Montanalo]

Yeah, Garrett and Linehan suck!! How's that? Lol!!

 

[Roadtrip635]

Calm down buddy. I have already said I want the Cowboys to win (with whoever is playing QB). My general statement is that while Dak can hit certain routes, he rarely attempts the routes I spoke of (which the offense runs routinely).

Dak is more comfortable throwing shorter routes that are not headed vertically. Watch the all 22 from each of his games including 2016 (where the bulk of the long yardage success was on back shoulder jump balls). Linehan was OC in 2016 and his offense led to 13 wins.

I think some of it is scheme and personnel. We didn't see many of the deep routes in 2016 like he's been throwing to Gallup and Amari. Dez and Twill weren't that kind of WR. That's why there's were a lot of those stop and back shoulder throws, that's what Dez was best at. You notice we don't throw many of those anymore, Coop and Gallup are better route runners. I'm not saying it's all scheme, play design or personnel, but we are starting to see more pick and rub routes, whip routes, deep throws and passes to Zeke than we did in the past. I don't know if anyone outside of the coaching staff can say the routes are limited by Dak's ability. I think some of the limitations are coming from the ability, familiarity and confidence with the new WRs/TEs and Linehan's passing philosophy. Dak is still learning to read defenses and when and what to adjust, so the playcalling and design become even more important.

Having a WR that he has confidence and a connection with has been huge. Listen to some of Coop's comments, he talked about Dak changing the play and gave him a signal to go deep on the line on that 75yder. In the Washington game on the 90yder, he said he's only the target on that pass 1in 10 times, but knew that Dak recognized the coverage and threw a great pass. Their connection is growing quick and Gallup is starting to come along as well. The chemistry has been very encouraging and having a full off season with Coop and Gallup should make it even better.

 

[Falco78]

His turnovers are frustrating but in a majority of his throws I have seen improved ball placement

 

[Ranching]

Hopefully you will enlighten us on the story. Sounds very interesting and might change minds about your hate.

I've said it a couple of times before. Long story short, I met Wade and his staff several times at his clinic. Got to talk offensive football with Garrett, let's just say he left a very bad impression. Too this day, I feel he sabotaged Wade.

 

[jterrell]

Your last sentence accurately sums me up for all of the quarterback limitations you listed. Additionally, I do not see the progress after 3 years of watching that I expect.
I just hope this Cinderella season doesnt strike midnight until after a Super Bowl win as improbable as that may be. I won't hold my breath for it to happen though for all of the reasons you mentioned.

There's been immense improvement the last 5 weeks, people are just slow to recognize it.
He's top 10 in passing yardage and QB rating over that time.

 

[jterrell]

Dak completed all five of his passes for 58 yards, including his 15 yard winner to Coop with 1:55 to play.

Granted he committed 3 turnovers (he's allowed to have a bad game) in the first three quarters, but Dak was nearly flawless in the fourth quarter and overtime, throwing for 243 yards and three touchdowns.

Dak has not had a three TD game this season. He had not passed for more 243 yards in seven different games. Let's give some credit where it's due. Why some fans always look at the bad in our QB's instead of the good it beyond comprehension.

Last but not least, Cowboys are the ONLY team in the league with a five game winning streak. Let's give the kid some credit, after all, not only were his numbers better than 11x Pro Bowler Brees two weeks ago, but Dak played lights out vs the best team in the NFL and won.

To be the best, you have to beat the best.

Beaten Wentz twice, Ryan, Brees in that stretch.
And that really is what it is about.
Competing and winning.
Style points are for losers.

 

[Blackrain]

agree with post. Confused on why the team refuses to give Dak a competent coach. Its like hes trying his hardest but only with what he knows and noone to correct/help with his flaws. Goff is best example of how a better coach can make a change. What has Moore done to qualify for this position-if anything he's probably hurting. This team with Linehan, Garrett, and Moore replaced with better leaders would be something.

Im hoping in the offseason we get someone to work with Dak and help him progress . Jerry has the money to buy the best don't know why this is so hard for him to see especially after what Richards and Colombo have done with there respective units.

 

[Rockport]

I've said it a couple of times before. Long story short, I met Wade and his staff several times at his clinic. Got to talk offensive football with Garrett, let's just say he left a very bad impression. Too this day, I feel he sabotaged Wade.

Well Wade needed to go. He lost the team.

 

[Ranching]

Well Wade needed to go. He lost the team.

I agree, but his OC was part of the problem and he got to stay. HMM? He told me that Romo had no input on the play calling. That he called the plays and Romo ran them, as soon as he took over, Romo started changing plays at the line of scrimmage. Coincidence, I think not! That's my issue with him. As a former head coach, I felt that Garrett was not loyal and may have even played a part in Wade's exit. Just my opinions, but I got that feeling from him.

 

[Rockport]

I agree, but his OC was part of the problem and he got to stay. HMM? He told me that Romo had no input on the play calling. That he called the plays and Romo ran them, as soon as he took over, Romo started changing plays at the line of scrimmage. Coincidence, I think not! That's my issue with him. As a former head coach, I felt that Garrett was not loyal and may have even played a part in Wade's exit. Just my opinions, but I got that feeling from him.

I don't understand the Romo connection. Of course the coach is the play caller and the QB has the option to change the play based on the defense. He wasn't saying Romo never changed the play. He always has changed plays from time to time even under Parcells. I think your taking your hate to an extreme.

 

[Blitzen]

How do you know this to be true? There are reports that said he dropped in the draft cause of his DUI. Some of you try your best to act like you know what your talking about. I can respect an opinion but untrue statements or unknown information is what a lot of haters use...smh

This is from the nfl.com draft write up. There are many others. Watch his tape from Miss. State and from the Cowboys. These are repeat issues. Basically, what I see from defensive backs each Sunday reflects this. He must practice vertical route connections because the defensive backs do not respect that he will throw it. It cannot be all coaching. I have watched tape of him when he has time to throw the ball downfield to a receiver that has separation and he will try something safer and more high percentage (which is largely fine to do but he must continue to challenge with these throws like he has been).

Overview

Rayne Dakota "Dak" Prescott proved himself to be an excellent college quarterback in 2014, breaking all sorts of school records (4,435 yards of total offense, 27 touchdown passes, 61.6 completion percentage), named a finalist for the Maxwell, Davey O'Brien, Manning, and Unitas Golden Arm awards and helping his team to a 10-3 record. The two-time first team All-SEC pick ended up with 38 MSU records after a senior year where he won the Senior CLASS Award as the top scholar-athlete on and off the field. Prescott led the team in passing (3,793 yards, 66.2 completion percentage, 29 TD, five INT) and rushing (588 yards, 10 scores) for the second straight year in 2015, joining Tim Tebow as the only two players in SEC history to accomplish that feat. Prescott got on the radar as a redshirt freshman in 2012, playing as a red-zone quarterback, scoring four times as a passer and four as a runner. The next year, he started seven games in two-quarterback system (Tyler Russell), throwing with 1,940 yards, and 10 touchdowns (seven INT), missing two games with an elbow injury. Just two days after his pro day, Prescott was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence.

Analysis
Strengths
Thick, muscular frame. Has proven over last three seasons that he can withstand a pounding. Has enough natural arm strength and hip snap to fit throws into an NFL window. Stands tall and delivers a tight spiral with over-the-top delivery. Very little windup and gets ball out with the flick of a wrist. When pocket is clean, can deliver accurate strikes around the field. Played with improved vision and care for football this season and eliminated many of the ill-fated throws that turned into interceptions in 2014. Still a work in progress, but continues to show a level of growth as a passer. Threat with his legs, scoring 37 rushing touchdowns over last three seasons and had 94 rushes of ten yards or more during that time. Can be used as goal-line rushing option. Willing to extend plays outside of pocket with legs but look to finish the play with his arm. Mentally tough enough to carry a heavy offensive burden for the Bulldogs over last three years. When protected better in 2014, showed an ability to challenge deep and strike with accuracy and touch.
Weaknesses
Beat up this year thanks to poor protection. When he wasn't being sacked, he was being hit hard. Not as competitive a rusher in 2015. Sacks and usage in run game might be taking a toll. Increase in short pass attempts from 86 to 208 this year reason for higher completion numbers. Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Must speed up the pace of his reads. Footwork is a mess. Slight stride onto stiff upper leg with little weight shift. Restricted follow through and too often tries to muscle throws with upper body. Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws. Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense. Needs to improve anticipation.
Draft Projection
Round 3
NFL Comparison
Brett Hundley
Bottom Line
Hard to find an NFL comp for Prescott because he's built like Donovan McNabb, but lacks McNabb's ability and polish. Prescott has NFL size, mobility and enough arm, but the tape shows a player who must improve his mechanics, poise and quickness through his progressions if he is to become a full-time starter in the NFL. There are absolutely draftable traits and upside, but he will need extended work to smooth out his flaws. Until then, a team would be wise to utilize him on short-yardage packages.

If he's going to talk about **** that Dak needs to work on, let's talk about the ENTIRE THING. Don't nic pic, let's get it all out on the table or shut up about it.

It's a message board bro. Not everyone will post stuff you want to see. Get over it. I don't make a habit to reply to everyone that sees a win and posts messages about how great Dallas Cowboys football is and how this player deserves full credit from every poster. I like Dak, but I like the Cowboys winning more. Plus, I have posted about other players plenty. There are lots of things to like about the Cowboys and Dak-no one can post every detail about every player on every post.

I wouldn't call this a haters thread. It's an analysis and a lot is accurate. Haters have their negative emotions on blast.

I know it is not a hater's thread. It involves criticism which equals hatred to many posters (which I find kinda hilarious).

 

[Ranching]

I don't understand the Romo connection. Of course the coach is the play caller and the QB has the option to change the play based on the defense. He wasn't saying Romo never changed the play. He always has changed plays from time to time even under Parcells. I think your taking your hate to an extreme.

Not hate. I don't hate anyone. I just didn't like him.

 

[Clove]

LOL so now you are telling people how to think and how to post?

Get the hell outta here with that.

People can speak about individual play and what they think should be cleaned up and worked on.

So tell me....

How in the world did Dak get his scouting report made up?

Was all of his problems that he has individually because he had piss poor coaches at Miss St. too?

Who else can we blame here?

Did his scouting report say he was a winner? Because he just keeps on winning pal. Work on that.