A Lesson in Value

[ejthedj]

I think most people are happy with the Claiborne trade, but something to consider for those who do not.

Everyone who paid attention to this draft noticed there was a big drop off in talent right before 14. Yesterday proved it, since Brockers went 14 and everybody we really wanted went before 14.

The Eagles saw this, too, so they traded up from 15 to 12 to get Cox. They gave up a 4th and a 6th.

We apparently could have traded from 14 to 11 for a third, also to take Cox.

So, would you rather have:

Cox, minus a third.
Cox, minus a fourth and a sixth.

Or Claiborne, minus a second.

When you think about it that way, I think it's clear me made the right move. I liked Cox a lot but Claiborne is blue chip, potential super star at a premium position. Trading one round difference in the draft to get Claiborne is a no brainer

 

[SDogo]

I think most people are happy with the Claiborne trade, but something to consider for those who do not.

Everyone who paid attention to this draft noticed there was a big drop off in talent right before 14. Yesterday proved it, since Brockers went 14 and everybody we really wanted went before 14.

The Eagles saw this, too, so they traded up from 15 to 12 to get Cox. They gave up a 4th and a 6th.

We apparently could have traded from 14 to 11 for a third, also to take Cox.

So, would you rather have:

Cox, minus a third.
Cox, minus a fourth and a sixth.

Or Claiborne, minus a second.

When you think about it that way, I think it's clear me made the right move. I liked Cox a lot but Claiborne is blue chip, potential super star at a premium position. Trading one round difference in the draft to get Claiborne is a no brainer

Claiborne minus a second.

There is no one around the league who wont tell you that Claiborne was 1 of 5 (some say) blue chip prospects in this draft. Cox was not one of those.

 

[Idgit]

I think both moves were great moves, frankly. Though what NE did getting Chandler Jones at 21 was also pretty impressive.

 

[Afigueroa22]

There's no doubt in my mind we got a steal. I was watching twitter and someone posted "Cowboys trade up to #6." I thought it was merely speculation and for about 40 seconds I waited until finally it was announced they indeed traded up. Shock and awe filled me. Who dat? Cowboys baby.




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[ShiningStar]

i think i mentioned this before but ill make a personal statement,

the reason this trade scares me, i dont know personally if Clairborne will be that shut down CB, OR at the very least, Woodson good. We all have different opinions of what shut down or elite CB means.

I will feel safer about this trade next year after seeing what is seen from Mo. Does that make sense?

 

[Afigueroa22]

I will feel safer about this trade next year after seeing what is seen from Mo. Does that make sense?

As will all fans but you need to be optimistic. Claiborne lining up against Dez every practice will help both of them. It's exciting and things are about to get real.

 

[Future]

i think i mentioned this before but ill make a personal statement,

the reason this trade scares me, i dont know personally if Clairborne will be that shut down CB, OR at the very least, Woodson good. We all have different opinions of what shut down or elite CB means.

I will feel safer about this trade next year after seeing what is seen from Mo. Does that make sense?

Reserving judgment, and rationally approaching the trade makes a lot of sense, brother :laugh2:

I think had the draft gone as it did, and Dallas was still sitting at 14, they definitely would have traded down. Maybe gotten DeCastro a pick or 2 before Pitt. Considering the order players went, I think this turned out to be a great move.

With a couple of 4th rounders and a third, I don't think this means that the Boys won't make any picks in the 2nd round either. Maybe they move up to get a guy like Konz, Glenn, or maybe even Upshaw. That means we are going quality over quantity, but that wouldn't be bad.

 

[rangers71]

i think i mentioned this before but ill make a personal statement,

the reason this trade scares me, i dont know personally if Clairborne will be that shut down CB, OR at the very least, Woodson good. We all have different opinions of what shut down or elite CB means.

I will feel safer about this trade next year after seeing what is seen from Mo. Does that make sense?

Are you talking Rod Woodson? If so trying to say this guy needs to live up to him is unfair since most people would say Woodson probably is one of the top 5 or 6 corners ever.

 

[perrykemp]

i think i mentioned this before but ill make a personal statement,

the reason this trade scares me, i dont know personally if Clairborne will be that shut down CB, OR at the very least, Woodson good. We all have different opinions of what shut down or elite CB means.

I will feel safer about this trade next year after seeing what is seen from Mo. Does that make sense?

Interesting nuance. You don't need to be a "shutdown" corner to be a great corner. Charles Woodson (as you point out) has never been a "shutdown" corner per day, however, he's was a very good (not great) cover corner + has been a turnover machine due to incredible instincts, great hands, and anticipation.

If Claiborne is anything like that, he's worth everything the Cowboys gave up in moving up to get him.

 

[rangers71]

Reserving judgment, and rationally approaching the trade makes a lot of sense, brother :laugh2:

I think had the draft gone as it did, and Dallas was still sitting at 14, they definitely would have traded down. Maybe gotten DeCastro a pick or 2 before Pitt. Considering the order players went, I think this turned out to be a great move.

With a couple of 4th rounders and a third, I don't think this means that the Boys won't make any picks in the 2nd round either. Maybe they move up to get a guy like Konz, Glenn, or maybe even Upshaw. That means we are going quality over quantity, but that wouldn't be bad.

Only thing is one of those 4th rounders is a compensatory pick and can't be traded. I like the way you think though.

 

[CF74]

I think most people are happy with the Claiborne trade, but something to consider for those who do not.

Everyone who paid attention to this draft noticed there was a big drop off in talent right before 14. Yesterday proved it, since Brockers went 14 and everybody we really wanted went before 14.

The Eagles saw this, too, so they traded up from 15 to 12 to get Cox. They gave up a 4th and a 6th.

We apparently could have traded from 14 to 11 for a third, also to take Cox.

So, would you rather have:

Cox, minus a third.
Cox, minus a fourth and a sixth.

Or Claiborne, minus a second.

When you think about it that way, I think it's clear me made the right move. I liked Cox a lot but Claiborne is blue chip, potential super star at a premium position. Trading one round difference in the draft to get Claiborne is a no brainer

Cox will be a bust since the E-girls drafted him

but seriously I agree with your view it makes sense...

 

[visionary]

I think most people are happy with the Claiborne trade, but something to consider for those who do not.

Everyone who paid attention to this draft noticed there was a big drop off in talent right before 14. Yesterday proved it, since Brockers went 14 and everybody we really wanted went before 14.

The Eagles saw this, too, so they traded up from 15 to 12 to get Cox. They gave up a 4th and a 6th.

We apparently could have traded from 14 to 11 for a third, also to take Cox.

So, would you rather have:

Cox, minus a third.
Cox, minus a fourth and a sixth.

Or Claiborne, minus a second.

When you think about it that way, I think it's clear me made the right move. I liked Cox a lot but Claiborne is blue chip, potential super star at a premium position. Trading one round difference in the draft to get Claiborne is a no brainer

i am not the biggest fan of the trade (though i like claiborne) but i like how you put it
if we can address OL and front 7 with our other picks i can live with this trade

lets see what we do from here on

 

[visionary]

Reserving judgment, and rationally approaching the trade makes a lot of sense, brother :laugh2:

I think had the draft gone as it did, and Dallas was still sitting at 14, they definitely would have traded down. Maybe gotten DeCastro a pick or 2 before Pitt. Considering the order players went, I think this turned out to be a great move.

With a couple of 4th rounders and a third, I don't think this means that the Boys won't make any picks in the 2nd round either. Maybe they move up to get a guy like Konz, Glenn, or maybe even Upshaw. That means we are going quality over quantity, but that wouldn't be bad.

the problem is that you are looking at it in a vacuum and with hindsight (knowing how things played out in the draft)

with the same hindsight i might say, we could have traded down from 14 to 20-22, and got another 2nd rounder and still take DeCastro

so, now we could hace

1: DeCastro (OG)
2a: Worthy/Still (DE)
2b: Brandon Brooks (OG)

our OL and DL could be set for a long time

i take that over Claiborne

 

[YosemiteSam]

Claiborne minus a second.

There is no one around the league who wont tell you that Claiborne was 1 of 5 (some say) blue chip prospects in this draft. Cox was not one of those.

Not to mention CB is a premium position and 3-4 DE isn't.

 

[Doomsday101]

i think i mentioned this before but ill make a personal statement,

the reason this trade scares me, i dont know personally if Clairborne will be that shut down CB, OR at the very least, Woodson good. We all have different opinions of what shut down or elite CB means.

I will feel safer about this trade next year after seeing what is seen from Mo. Does that make sense?

I understand people taking a wait and see but then had we stayed at 14 made a selection and then took a 2nd rd tonight would be it be safe to say you would take the same wait and see?

One reason some are excited about the pick is out of all the draft prospect in this draft Claiborne was consistently ranked as a top 5 pick and a blue chip prospect.

 

[YosemiteSam]

the problem is that you are looking at it in a vacuum and with hindsight (knowing how things played out in the draft)

with the same hindsight i might say, we could have traded down from 14 to 20-22, and got another 2nd rounder and still take DeCastro

so, now we could hace

1: DeCastro (OG)
2a: Worthy/Still (DE)
2b: Brandon Brooks (OG)

our OL and DL could be set for a long time

i take that over Claiborne

I don't. Claiborne is a high value premium position player. None of those players are. Not only that, Claiborne is far more talented than all of those players.

Give me quality over quantity. Especially at premium positions. (CB, pass rusher, QB, WR, etc)

 

[dmq]

If we hadn't moved up for Claiborne, it might have been both Dallas and Philly trying to outbid each other to get to Cox. For all we know, we might have overpaid to do it since we would have had to trump Philly's offer. All I can say is I'm glad we avoided Brockers. I wanted no part of that pick or Poe.

 

[newlander]

the problem is that you are looking at it in a vacuum and with hindsight (knowing how things played out in the draft)

with the same hindsight i might say, we could have traded down from 14 to 20-22, and got another 2nd rounder and still take DeCastro

so, now we could hace

1: DeCastro (OG)
2a: Worthy/Still (DE)
2b: Brandon Brooks (OG)

our OL and DL could be set for a long time

i take that over Claiborne

THAT'S what I'm talking about: I really think the elite organizations (Pitt,G.Bay, N.england, Baltimore, etc....) build from the inside out like this but......Cowboys brass and about 90% of fans on this board and others disagree: they like Dez Bryant, Morris Claiborne, etc....Jerrah knows what caters to the masses and he amkes sure the team has JUST enough talent to entice. Problem is, they don't have enough 'Grabowski's'.....the lunch pail, meat and potato guys that do all the heavy lifting. Been that way for a long time now.

 

[Future]

the problem is that you are looking at it in a vacuum and with hindsight (knowing how things played out in the draft)

with the same hindsight i might say, we could have traded down from 14 to 20-22, and got another 2nd rounder and still take DeCastro

so, now we could hace

1: DeCastro (OG)
2a: Worthy/Still (DE)
2b: Brandon Brooks (OG)

our OL and DL could be set for a long time

i take that over Claiborne

Re-read my post, we are saying the same thing.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Are those questioning this simply doing it because it was Jerry who did it? If it had been Belichick, would it be considered a genius move?