A new first round idea

[SMCowboy]

Here is an idea, that has not been discussed much, wanted to know what ya'll thought.

What would ya'll think about Dallas trading #22 and #28 with say maybe New England or New Orleans (someone in the 7 to 12 range) to move up and get a DRC, McKelvin or Jenkins.

Why I am thinking this is because CB is the only position that I am seeing real value at in the first round. I don't see any WR's that are going in the first round besides maybe Malcom Kelly truly being worthy of being a first round DP. And while this is a very deep RB class, the value for us at RB will most likely be in round 2 where guys like (Felix Jones, Jamal Charles, Ray Rice, Chris Johnson or even Matt Forte) will be drafted.

 

[Future]

If we move into the top 10...its for DMAC.

 

[SMCowboy]

If we move into the top 10...its for DMAC.

Not necisicarily... Maybe the WOW player that Jones is talking about adding is a Jamal Charles or Chris Johnson in round 2 (both RB's with world class sprinter speed) as well as a CB like McKelvin who would also provide a huge spark to the return game.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Certainly when you have two firsts the opportunity exists to trade up... traditionally we've been more of a trade down, than a trade up team but it's certainly possible considering Jerreh likes to wheel & deal.

 

[Big Dakota]

I just about started a thread with the same idea. I even did the math

#22 & #28 for Saints #10 and #79.

We get our big time CB prospect and still have #61 and #79 to get our RB and WR.

(For DRC or McKelvin only)

 

[superpunk]

I just about started a thread with the same idea. I even did the math

#22 & #28 for Saints #10 and #79.

We get our big time CB prospect and still have #61 and #79 to get our RB and WR.

(For DRC or McKelvin only)

But the Saints really need CB help. That isn't a likely trade partner for that scenario, if those DBs are available. We'd have to leapfrog the Saints.

 

[SMCowboy]

Certainly when you have two firsts the opportunity exists to trade up... traditionally we've been more of a trade down, than a trade up team but it's certainly possible considering Jerreh likes to wheel & deal.

Not to mention, Jerry Jones has said already that what he regrets most during the Super Bowl years was that we traded down instead of trying to try UP.

This is not a team that needs alot of players. We do not have alot of holes at all. When the closest thing that we have to a hole is at the #3 CB or #2 RB position, then we have a very strong lineup.

Not to mention, I keep looking for ideas on what do with our two first round picks for where we need players, I don't see any options that make since to me.

Obviously #22 would most likely be a CB (I see 5 CB's who I don't view as reaches at #22 DRC, Jenkins, McKelvin, Aqib, and Cason) and I don't see all 5 being drafted by #22. But then at #28 I really don't see a good option. Given that both Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips have said many times already that they don't like drafting WR's in the first round and expecially given the fact that there really are not many if any true first round quality WR's (maybe Kelly assuming he runs and runs a good time), I am not excited about drafting a WR in round 1 just because they are the best WR left on the board if they are not a true 1st round quality WR. And the only RB's that I could see us drafting in round 1 (DMAC, and Mendenhall) will both most likely be gone by #22 much less #28. And I don't see any of the other RB's as 1st round quality RB's. So I don't know what we could do at #28 that would really help us. However, I could see #28 being a big help to us if we used to to trade up in round 1 to get one of the big 3 CB's (Jenkins, McKelvin or DRC) and also maybe get us another pick in rounds 3 or 4 (depending on how high we move up in round 1).

 

[Big Dakota]

But the Saints really need CB help. That isn't a likely trade partner for that scenario, if those DBs are available. We'd have to leapfrog the Saints.

That's probably true, but it was more of an "area" type thing. I'm just hoping one of those CBs fall into the early teens but it doesn't look good.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

a thread where the cowboys trade up how original

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

What if we trade up a few slots with one of our 1st round picks (say #22) and another pick (say 3rd or so)...then with Pick #28 we trade down and get an extra pick.

Ok I am half joking, but that would not surprise me if we did something along those lines.

 

[aikemirv]

Here is an idea, that has not been discussed much, wanted to know what ya'll thought.

What would ya'll think about Dallas trading #22 and #28 with say maybe New England or New Orleans (someone in the 7 to 12 range) to move up and get a DRC, McKelvin or Jenkins.

Why I am thinking this is because CB is the only position that I am seeing real value at in the first round. I don't see any WR's that are going in the first round besides maybe Malcom Kelly truly being worthy of being a first round DP. And while this is a very deep RB class, the value for us at RB will most likely be in round 2 where guys like (Felix Jones, Jamal Charles, Ray Rice, Chris Johnson or even Matt Forte) will be drafted.

If the ultimate plan is to try to get RW next year in FA then I guess I would not be against that scenario.

But I also would like Ray Rice and I don't think he will be there when we pick in the second round, so under that scenario if we used 79 to move up in the second and still get RR I would be very happy.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Are we *sure* the best corner prospects are going to be that much better than the other guys in this particular class?

I'm not. I think it's a pretty good group, and they're all pretty similar. It's not like there's a blue-blue chip corner or two and then a huge dropoff in ability.

I think we'll get someone very good at #22. And that and #28 are perfect for us because those picks are relatively low-salary slots, which we need with a bunch of veterans about to get paid.

The only way I'd trade up is if, say, DRC slipped to around the mid-to-low teens and we could move up relatively cheaply... Which very well could happen.

I definitely can see what Brain mentioned. If we could move down a few slots with that second 1st rounder, I think we'd do it.

 

[SMCowboy]

But the Saints really need CB help. That isn't a likely trade partner for that scenario, if those DBs are available. We'd have to leapfrog the Saints.

The Saints may not want to add a CB in the first round, they did just spend big money on Randall Gay and they have Mike McKenzie at CB as well. I could very easily see New Orleans being interested in trading back and being able to pickup some DL help as well as another CB or LB with two #1 picks.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

What if we trade up a few slots with one of our 1st round picks (say #22) and another pick (say 3rd or so)...then with Pick #28 we trade down and get an extra pick.

Ok I am half joking, but that would not surprise me if we did something along those lines.

I could actually see this happening. I wouldn't be surprised if someone is falling just a tad, a DRC or McKelvin, that Jerry might move up a few spots to snag them and them move down with the 28 in order to get picks back.

I could see that happening.

 

[big dog cowboy]

What if we trade up a few slots with one of our 1st round picks (say #22) and another pick (say 3rd or so)...then with Pick #28 we trade down and get an extra pick.

That scenero wouldn't surprise me at all. Instead of 2 #1's, our 2nd and 3rd we would end up with a higher #1 and 2 #2's and a 3rd. Very possible. Also gets you out of paying for 2 #1's.

 

[superpunk]

The Saints may not want to add a CB in the first round, they did just spend big money on Randall Gay and they have Mike McKenzie at CB as well. I could very easily see New Orleans being interested in trading back and being able to pickup some DL help as well as another CB or LB with two #1 picks.

Or if Rivers or another quality LB fell, or Ellis or Dorsey, or basically any position on defense....yeah, I can see that happening.

 

[Big Dakota]

What if we trade up a few slots with one of our 1st round picks (say #22) and another pick (say 3rd or so)...then with Pick #28 we trade down and get an extra pick.

Ok I am half joking, but that would not surprise me if we did something along those lines.

I'm all for it if we see a guy in the mid teens we want. Best case DRC slips into the 15 area. Again, with the talent at #28 not being a whole lot different than in the 30's and 40's, I'd love to trade down there.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The Saints may not want to add a CB in the first round, they did just spend big money on Randall Gay and they have Mike McKenzie at CB as well. I could very easily see New Orleans being interested in trading back and being able to pickup some DL help as well as another CB or LB with two #1 picks.

Dude, please. Randall Gay is horrible. They wouldn't pass on a corner because of him.

 

[SMCowboy]

Are we *sure* the best corner prospects are going to be that much better than the other guys in this particular class?

I'm not. I think it's a pretty good group, and they're all pretty similar. It's not like there's a blue-blue chip corner or two and then a huge dropoff in ability.

I think we'll get someone very good at #22. And that and #28 are perfect for us because those picks are relatively low-salary slots, which we need with a bunch of veterans about to get paid.

It certainly depends on how we have the CB's on our draft board. I have heard everything from DRC and McKelvin are a step above everyone else (some even put Jenkins in that group) all the way to Cason, Aqib, Jenkins, DRC, McKelvin and ever Brandon Flowers and even Justin King are all at the same basic level and none of them are really more than mid to late first round candidates.

 

[SMCowboy]

That scenero wouldn't surprise me at all. Instead of 2 #1's, our 2nd and 3rd we would end up with a higher #1 and 2 #2's and a 3rd. Very possible. Also gets you out of paying for 2 #1's.

Not to mention, at WR and RB the two other positions that we want to address, the value is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, NOT the late first round.

I really do not see us staying at #28.