A new look at the draft is needed

[mmillman]

2012 is too early but is mostly Claiborne at this point with some contributions from Crawford. Looking like a possible mediocre draft.

2011 Smith, Carter and Murray not a lot else. The debate is Smith over Watt? Right now you would say Watt would have been the better choice but what would Dallas have done for left tackle and would Watt have been as good in this scheme?

2010 Dez Bryant and Lee, not much else. Bryant is always teasing with his ability but will he be here long term and will he ever bring his football intelligence up?

2009 This draft should provide a good foundation for Dallas at this point but it was an absolutely terrible draft. 12 picks, no starters and only two left on the team

2008 Jones, Jenkins, Bennett, Choice, Scandrick, Walden. All playing in the NFL but none starting for Dallas and only Bennett starting in the NFL. Jones and Jenkins are likely gone.

2007 Spencer and Free, nothing else. Spencer is possibly gone and Free while starting is marginal at RT.

2006 Carpenter, Fasano and Hatcher. Carpenter is a backup in New England and has never played like a first rounder. Fasano is in Miami. Hatcher is starting and a journeyman here. Terrible draft.

2005 best draft in recent history for Dallas with Ware, Spears, Barber and Canty contributing at one point or another.

2004 Julius Jones, Rogers (ouch) in the second rounds, Peterman in the third (starting in Detroit) the rest a bunch of misses and Crayton.

2003 Witten, Bradie James started for awhile and nothing else

2002 Roy Williams, Gurode and nothing else.

You wonder how Dallas is even competitive?

 

[a_minimalist]

Lol wait so let me get this straight...we're not even half way through the season and you're already declaring our most recent draft mediocre?

And then you list 3 of our best players drafted in 2011 and then say "not a lot else". Oh yeah, only 3 of the best players at their position in the league, but that's not even remotely impressive. So almost half of our picks from 2011 turn out to be quality players and you're still whining?

Quite the intelligent post we have here.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

you can't judge a draft until after the third year. so how can you judge claiborne and crawford and call it medicore? seriously? would you say indy had a medicore draft!!

and plus how many impact players you expect from a draft? 7? be reasonable. typically teams get 1 or 2 and really good teams 3 per draft. you have to be really lucky to end up with anything more than that.

so carter, smith and murray is high impact. and yes smith over watt. how many people including yourself complained about the OL an dnot drafting any. now we did, based on evaluations then (not now) and chose the right player. however, if you do have a crystal ball you like to share with jerry jones please do.

and then lets look at the impact players we drafted over the past 3 years. Lee, Dez, Murray, Smith, Carter, Claiborne.

we had witten, romo, austin, ware.

how many more do you want?

the nucleus is there. there is other areas that are missing.

now why I think we have some gaps in certain areas and been forced to scramble. the 2008 and 2009 drafts we had nothing. not even role players. so now, we were forced to make up for it in 2010, 11 and 12 and you just can't do that very quickly unless you get lucky

2012 is too early but is mostly Claiborne at this point with some contributions from Crawford. Looking like a possible mediocre draft.

2011 Smith, Carter and Murray not a lot else. The debate is Smith over Watt? Right now you would say Watt would have been the better choice but what would Dallas have done for left tackle and would Watt have been as good in this scheme?

2010 Dez Bryant and Lee, not much else. Bryant is always teasing with his ability but will he be here long term and will he ever bring his football intelligence up?

2009 This draft should provide a good foundation for Dallas at this point but it was an absolutely terrible draft. 12 picks, no starters and only two left on the team

2008 Jones, Jenkins, Bennett, Choice, Scandrick, Walden. All playing in the NFL but none starting for Dallas and only Bennett starting in the NFL. Jones and Jenkins are likely gone.

2007 Spencer and Free, nothing else. Spencer is possibly gone and Free while starting is marginal at RT.

2006 Carpenter, Fasano and Hatcher. Carpenter is a backup in New England and has never played like a first rounder. Fasano is in Miami. Hatcher is starting and a journeyman here. Terrible draft.

2005 best draft in recent history for Dallas with Ware, Spears, Barber and Canty contributing at one point or another.

2004 Julius Jones, Rogers (ouch) in the second rounds, Peterman in the third (starting in Detroit) the rest a bunch of misses and Crayton.

2003 Witten, Bradie James started for awhile and nothing else

2002 Roy Williams, Gurode and nothing else.

You wonder how Dallas is even competitive?

 

[TwoDeep3]

There are posters here that refuse to talk about the past drafts because that isn't important.

2009 should be producing and a foundation for this team NOW!

It isn't and this lies at the feet of the guy who makes the final decisions.

 

[Oh_Canada]

2009 was a horrendous draft in general, New England had twelve picks and found a single mediocre starter and another part time player or two. Until this year, the Giants had one legitimate player...luckily for them Beatty has been decent this year, Barden has made his first minor contribution and Andre Brown returned after being cut and had a good game.

You cannot possibly grade the last couple of drafts...way to premature, but it looks like they are improving.

 

[mmillman]

yes, 2012 is leaning toward mediocre if it is only getting production from one or two players.

If Claiborne emerges as the player he looks to be, Crawford nails down a productive starting spot, Johnson makes some noise at safety, Hanna is Wittens replacement, Wilber develops etc...... then I agree it would be a productive class. Right now there isn't a lot of contribution coming from this draft. Not completely unusual but you would generally like a little more.

I also agree with the fact that you cannot judge a draft until after two to three years. That is why I went back ten years. Dallas has been able to stay competitive not through the draft but through some great free agent finds like Romo, Austin etc..........

"you can't judge a draft until after the third year. so how can you judge claiborne and crawford and call it medicore? seriously? would you say indy had a medicore draft!!"

No, Indy drafted: Franchise QB, two productive and starting TE's, a productive slot wr. Before you start flaming me it was your analogy. Of course Indianapolis drafter higher and had more holes. You took my post of 10 drafts and narrowed it down to what I said has the look of a mediocre draft in 2012. Dallas is not so good that there isn't room for rookies to make contributions.

 

[big dog cowboy]

2012 is too early but is mostly Claiborne at this point with some contributions from Crawford. Looking like a possible mediocre draft.

:laugh2:

Stopped reading right there.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

If you can get 2-3 players to produce per year from the draft, you are doing well.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are posters here that refuse to talk about the past drafts because that isn't important.

2009 should be producing and a foundation for this team NOW!

It isn't and this lies at the feet of the guy who makes the final decisions.

https://www.cbsoutdoor.com/

 

[TwoDeep3]

https://www.cbsoutdoor.com/

I wonder which is more aggravating for you.

The team losing, or you having to understand that I called this miserable outcome for two years straight?

I would be the seconed is really starting to get under your skin.

 

[arglebargle]

If you can get 2-3 players to produce per year from the draft, you are doing well.

Absolutely. The idea that you are going to hit on more than that consistently is pie in the sky stuff. No team does it.

In terms of draft evalutation, it doesn't even matter whether the players end up doing it for you or some other team. You evalutated the player well.

 

[Spectre]

2012 is too early but is mostly Claiborne at this point with some contributions from Crawford. Looking like a possible mediocre draft.

2011 Smith, Carter and Murray not a lot else. The debate is Smith over Watt? Right now you would say Watt would have been the better choice but what would Dallas have done for left tackle and would Watt have been as good in this scheme?

2010 Dez Bryant and Lee, not much else. Bryant is always teasing with his ability but will he be here long term and will he ever bring his football intelligence up?

2009 This draft should provide a good foundation for Dallas at this point but it was an absolutely terrible draft. 12 picks, no starters and only two left on the team

2008 Jones, Jenkins, Bennett, Choice, Scandrick, Walden. All playing in the NFL but none starting for Dallas and only Bennett starting in the NFL. Jones and Jenkins are likely gone.

2007 Spencer and Free, nothing else. Spencer is possibly gone and Free while starting is marginal at RT.

2006 Carpenter, Fasano and Hatcher. Carpenter is a backup in New England and has never played like a first rounder. Fasano is in Miami. Hatcher is starting and a journeyman here. Terrible draft.

2005 best draft in recent history for Dallas with Ware, Spears, Barber and Canty contributing at one point or another.

2004 Julius Jones, Rogers (ouch) in the second rounds, Peterman in the third (starting in Detroit) the rest a bunch of misses and Crayton.

2003 Witten, Bradie James started for awhile and nothing else

2002 Roy Williams, Gurode and nothing else.

You wonder how Dallas is even competitive?

I don't understand this post. Looks like we're batting in the .500 area which isn't too bad or too good. Some dumb picks, but some good ones, too. REALLY good ones- like best-in-the-league at their position type good (Witten, Ware, Lee) And you didn't even mention the late round successes like Romo, Austin and Ratliff.

Personally, I think this team sucks at selecting RBs in the draft.

 

[perrykemp]

I don't understand this post. Looks like we're batting in the .500 area which isn't too bad or too good.

Problem is with the way the league is set up these days you need to hit on more than 1-2 players per draft. Remember, the roster is 53 guys.

Let's say only 3 guys per draft for the last 5 years make the team -- that's only 15 guys!

Where do the rest come from? You can pick other people's problems up in Free Agency and/or just have to do a great job with the UDFAs.

Either way, you need 5-6 guys per year to make the roster, if not more to be competitive.

 

[car351]

I don't understand this post. Looks like we're batting in the .500 area which isn't too bad or too good. Some dumb picks, but some good ones, too. REALLY good ones- like best-in-the-league at their position type good (Witten, Ware, Lee) And you didn't even mention the late round successes like Romo, Austin and Ratliff.

Personally, I think this team sucks at selecting RBs in the draft.

Romo and Austin weren't drafted but I think I get your point...

 

[maxdallasfan]

There are posters here that refuse to talk about the past drafts because that isn't important.

2009 should be producing and a foundation for this team NOW!

It isn't and this lies at the feet of the guy who makes the final decisions.

:worthy2:

 

[mmillman]

Problem is with the way the league is set up these days you need to hit on more than 1-2 players per draft. Remember, the roster is 53 guys.

Let's say only 3 guys per draft for the last 5 years make the team -- that's only 15 guys!

Where do the rest come from? You can pick other people's problems up in Free Agency and/or just have to do a great job with the UDFAs.

Either way, you need 5-6 guys per year to make the roster, if not more to be competitive.

that just doesn't make sense. two players contributing per draft means that over 8 seasons you have 16 players contributing? When I listed the players contributing I left out the vast amount of castoffs.

2009 which should be contributing a lot right now has no starters and only two backups out of 12 picks.

2008 no starters and three players on the team as backups.

2007 two starters Free and Spencer and nothing else.

2006 one marginal starter, Hatcher, and nothing else.

Those are the drafts that should be the core of this team!

 

[Bluestang]

"In the NFL if you can hit on 50% of your draft picks than you can be hired as a GM for any NFL team" - Bryan Broaddus

 

[Bluestang]

FWIW Here's how the NYG have shaked out:

2008 - They had 7 picks and the only current starter is Kenny Phillips.

2009 - 9 draft picks and two are current starters, Hicks and Beatty. Barden, Beckum, and Brown are still on the team as backups.

2010 - 7 draft picks and JPP and Joseph are starters.

2011 - 8 draft picks and Amukamura is the only starter from that draft class. Austin has played in 4 games his entire career (IR last season) and has amassed 2 tackles. Jaquian Williams, Jerrel Jernigan, and James Brewer are all backups.

2012 - No starters in this class yet but good backups in Wilson, Hosley, and Randle.

 

[jjktkk]

There are posters here that refuse to talk about the past drafts because that isn't important.

2009 should be producing and a foundation for this team NOW!

It isn't and this lies at the feet of the guy who makes the final decisions.

09 was a horrible draft, but I've moved on. I have been encouraged by the past couple of drafts though.

 

[Bluestang]

FWIW Here's how the NYG have shaked out:

2008 - They had 7 picks and the only current starter is Kenny Phillips.

2009 - 9 draft picks and two are current starters, Hicks and Beatty. Barden, Beckum, and Brown are still on the team as backups.

2010 - 7 draft picks and JPP and Joseph are starters.

2011 - 8 draft picks and Amukamura is the only starter from that draft class. Austin has played in 4 games his entire career (IR last season) and has amassed 2 tackles. Jaquian Williams, Jerrel Jernigan, and James Brewer are all backups.

2012 - No starters in this class yet but good backups in Wilson, Hosley, and Randle.

Excluding 2012 they have found 6 starters in 4 drafts.

31 draft picks and only 6 starters translates to a 19% success rate.

2010 - 2012 Comparison:

21 draft picks and only 3 starters translates to a 14% success rate.


Cowboys:

2010 - 6 picks and we have Bryant and Lee as starters.

2011 - 8 draft picks and we have Smith, Carter, Murray as starters.

2012 - 7 draft picks and one starter in Claiborne.

21 draft picks and only 6 starters translates to 28% success rate.



I think there is a pretty valid argument on how recent drafting (starting from 2010) has been successful.