A Question About Discipline

[Picksix]

I see a lot of posters saying we need a coach (or coaching staff) that instills better discipline. What are some ways that a coach does that? Is it by taking away playing time? Calling out players publicly? Cutting them? We throw it out there like it's such a simple thing. But remember, we had Parcells, and still had way too many penalties.

Is it the fact that Jerry is really the one running things, and the coaches know they don't really have the authority to do much?

If we were to get someone like Cowher or Gruden (or someone else), who are seen as tough, demanding, disciplinary type coaches, what would they do to instill more discipline? And would their hands be tied?

To me, at some point, it has to fall on the players know the snap count, know their blocking assignments, keep from going hands to the face, etc.

It's not like we're playing cheap out there. We're just playing stupid. How does a coach get his players to play smarter?

 

[Big Country]

I see a lot of posters saying we need a coach (or coaching staff) that instills better discipline. What are some ways that a coach does that? Is it by taking away playing time? Calling out players publicly? Cutting them? We throw it out there like it's such a simple thing. But remember, we had Parcells, and still had way too many penalties.

Is it the fact that Jerry is really the one running things, and the coaches know they don't really have the authority to do much?

If we were to get someone like Cowher or Gruden (or someone else), who are seen as tough, demanding, disciplinary type coaches, what would they do to instill more discipline? And would their hands be tied?

To me, at some point, it has to fall on the players know the snap count, know their blocking assignments, keep from going hands to the face, etc.

It's not like we're playing cheap out there. We're just playing stupid. How does a coach get his players to play smarter?

Very well said picksix...

 

[Yeagermeister]

The HC has to be in charge not Jerry. When there is a problem the HC deals with it not the owner/GM.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I've said it many times before, but I don't think Cowher would take the job. If he did, or if Gruden was hired, I think both of them would make it understood from the start that it was going to be their way and not Jerry's way. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Jerry wouldn't have any say about the draft, etc., but I think either of those two coaches would make it understood that they are in charge of all day-to-day decisions with the team. I'm not sure Jerry would go for it. That's why I don't think either (Cowher for sure) would take the job.

 

[UnoDallas]

I hate both Cowher an Gruden

and what makes you think these guys are the savior

 

[BourbonBalz]

They might or might not be, but the answer isn't on the sideline right now. That much is certain.

 

[Kangaroo]

I see a lot of posters saying we need a coach (or coaching staff) that instills better discipline. What are some ways that a coach does that? Is it by taking away playing time? Calling out players publicly? Cutting them? We throw it out there like it's such a simple thing. But remember, we had Parcells, and still had way too many penalties.

Is it the fact that Jerry is really the one running things, and the coaches know they don't really have the authority to do much?

If we were to get someone like Cowher or Gruden (or someone else), who are seen as tough, demanding, disciplinary type coaches, what would they do to instill more discipline? And would their hands be tied?

To me, at some point, it has to fall on the players know the snap count, know their blocking assignments, keep from going hands to the face, etc.

It's not like we're playing cheap out there. We're just playing stupid. How does a coach get his players to play smarter?

Simple it is your approach to doing things remember Bill while despite his hard ways they made impacts.

The signs reminding people all the time the message on what they where therefore a vision. If you do not have a vision a theme to build one simple but effective.

The way practices are run it is not about how many you have but the way you practice by what we hear and read about practice it is not ran in a crisp effective manner to many players standing around. Get in there get the job done done and done well. If the coach is well organized and structured in practice players know their assignments better and more confident in what they do generally. remember the old adage you practice how you play.

How is accountability done if a guy always gets away with stuff other guys get hammered after a while people just quit caring why should I do anything when numnuts does nothing and I am working hard yet he gets away with it and is never benched etc. (Have this issue at my work now and morale is starting to go to the toilet and people are becoming alot more apathetic about their jobs)

I mean we could go on and on

 

[casmith07]

Simple it is your approach to doing things remember Bill while despite his hard ways they made impacts.

The signs reminding people all the time the message on what they where therefore a vision. If you do not have a vision a theme to build one simple but effective.

The way practices are run it is not about how many you have but the way you practice by what we hear and read about practice it is not ran in a crisp effective manner to many players standing around. Get in there get the job done done and done well. If the coach is well organized and structured in practice players know their assignments better and more confident in what they do generally. remember the old adage you practice how you play.

How is accountability done if a guy always gets away with stuff other guys get hammered after a while people just quit caring why should I do anything when numnuts does nothing and I am working hard yet he gets away with it and is never benched etc. (Have this issue at my work now and morale is starting to go to the toilet and people are becoming alot more apathetic about their jobs)

I mean we could go on and on

That's it in a nutshell.

 

[UnoDallas]

I am tired of Camp Cupcake

 

[UnoDallas]

They might or might not be, but the answer isn't on the sideline right now. That much is certain.

I think JG would run things differently - how do you know he not the answer

 

[Yeagermeister]

I think JG would run things differently - how do you know he not the answer

He's not the answer at OC. Why would he be the answer at HC?

 

[EPL0c0]

OF all the STUPID penalties, the worst came after Witten handed Colombo the ball and Colombo spikes it.

That's just roll your eyes and sigh kind of stuff b/c you just KNEW that would bite them in the butt

 

[2much2soon]

The players like Wade, I think.
Wade is a funny, good 'ol boy that happens to know football probably as well as any in the league. He is probably an easy guy to like.
But I doubt the players fear him, and he just hasn't shown he can get a team to play at their highest level, anywhere he has been.

 

[Yeagermeister]

The players like Wade, I think.
Wade is a funny, good 'ol boy that happens to know football probably as well as any in the league. He is probably an easy guy to like.
But I doubt the players fear him, and he just hasn't shown he can get a team to play at their highest level, anywhere he has been.

That's why they like him

 

[IheartRomo]

I think it's an overall atmosphere that a coach provides. It has to be an atmosphere where a player pays for his mistakes and there are consequences for his actions. It's hard to put into words, but good leadership always breeds smarter teams.

 

[TheCoolFan]

You call players out. You challenge them. If you have to start making exams and handing them out in team meetings like it's a midterm, so be it. If I'm a new coach coming in, I want to know who is smart and who is a dummy. You constantly quiz your players, making sure they know what do in certain situations. You grill the heck out of guys in the film room.

That's the only way to fix this thing. It's like the football version of the movie Stand and Deliver

 

[UnoDallas]

He's not the answer at OC. Why would he be the answer at HC?

I bet your last dollar he our next HC

he called a good game today -

with out a 160 yards worth of penalties

 

[VietCowboy]

I actually do think we should give Red a chance at HC. The problem with this team is at the very top. When he sticks his nose out of it (i.e. six feet under or on life support), that's when you'll see better, different results.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You call players out. You challenge them. If you have to start making exams and handing them out in team meetings like it's a midterm, so be it. If I'm a new coach coming in, I want to know who is smart and who is a dummy.

... And then the owner will have The Turk wad up your test results and throw them in the trash.

 

[hra8700]

The penalties are not really the problem, IMO. The penalties exist because the team has to make up for its deficiencies.

Oline's hold because they got beat. They false start because they're too slow to block.

Cb's interfere because they're beat.

That's most of our penalties, and that's why they were here with parcells too.

Not all penalties are bad. Most of ours aren't. They just mask deficiencies in our team. So everyone says "oh, look how great they are, they're just not disciplined." Fact is, they're just not all that good.