A "Sound" QB plan for The Dallas Cowboys

Yeagermeister

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I understand where we will be in a few years. And even though some here don't recall, Jimmy didn't move down in drafts to get more picks. He spent picks to move up to the talent.

Jimmy also had no salary cap and the picks he got for Herchel Walker.
 

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Yeagermeister said:
I agree with you on Cutler but Jacobs just doesn't do anything for me. I can't put my finger on it but I just don't like the way he plays.
So, what happens if Jeff Ireland thinks he's the best option and talks Bill and Jerry into drafting him?

It might happen.

It could be that Henson steps up.

It could be that Romo does.

None of us really know. Everyone likes to speculate on hatred Parcells has for Henson or Romo going to be a golfer soon. It's all speculation.

Right now, as we sit, I still believe Henson is the long term option and nothing I've heard disways me from that. If we somehow got Brady Quinn I'd be ecstatic. If Romo turns into the next guy I'm going to be ecstatic.

If we draft Cutler or Jacobs and they get the job done I'm going to be ecstatic.

I'm not married to any option that works. That includes Henson. I want him to succeed, but if someone is better do it. My opinions and predictions and feelings be damned. I want to win.
 

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TwoDeep3 said:
I would be all for trying to move up to take a QB in the draft.

I understand where we will be in a few years. And even though some here don't recall, Jimmy didn't move down in drafts to get more picks. He spent picks to move up to the talent.

So going and getting your guy, even if he sits the first yearis OKI with me.

I don't give Bledsoe a pass on this either. I just do not see options that are viable which will be better now and later.

Schaub may be a player, but do the Falcon's let him go?

I like that kid who came in here for the Cardinals. McCown.

He loves this team. (No prerequisite)

He throws a nice ball. Tough as nails. And would accept the back-up role for now. Because he would not supplant Bledsoe.

I also need to inform you that I believe this team is a few players away from being a serious player in next year's play-offs.

So with that said, I am very selective about who will lead this team from under center.

And I have mulled the Culpepper option. I believe the quarterbacks first and foremost talent should be accuracy. I do not see this guy as such.
I'm with you on McCown TD. I haven't said it before, but I hope we sign him. If he takes a spot from one of our 3 so be it.

Bottom line get me 3 good options at QB every year, not 1 who "gives us the best chance to win" and 2 mysteries.
 

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i think drew is our best option for 06, maybe even 07. i'm all for getting a qb in the draft but you really don't control whether you have a shot or not at 18 and so many holes on the line to fix. you will just about have to take who's there when you pick.at 18 cutler is the only guy i see who is worth an 18 pick(assuming matt, and young will be long gone). now there may be guys there later who are good second round prospects but i could'nt say as i have'nt really looked at 2nd rnd qb's.we have gotten a little spoiled with troy and roger. look around the league and see who really has a quality qb, especially in the nfc. there just are'nt troy's and roger's out there often. thats why they are h.o.f. players.untill you can draft " the guy" then you have little choice but the temporary fix like drew. drew was not the problem this year. he is what he is, a pocket passer and you have to protect him. give him time and he's as good as 20 of the starters in this league
 

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TwoDeep3 said:
Tee it up, Mick.

And while you wish for player A or player B, please also tell me what they will cost.

Because that is part of the equation.

Sorry, Culpepper just doesn't do it for me. He is a strong armed Quincy Carter.

But you put down anyone your little heart desires.

Go on record.

C'mon TD3, we just different opinions on how to get to the same place :D

You make some good points.

Im just trying to tell you that most of the candidates would not be as good as Vinny and Drew because most of the candidates, at least the ones I would like would be young and inexperienced.

I wanted Bryon Leftwhich in 2003

Last year, I wanted the offense dumbed down and let Henson have a crack at it.

This I ate crow because I didnt want Bledsoe, and he was a pleasant surprise.

Next year, I want Bledsoe to start and we draft a QB in the 1st round but that wont happen.

C'mon, comparing Culpepper to Quincy...now that is just criminal.
 

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Cowboy_love_4ever said:
I miss the days when we had a franchise QB and not a drive-by. The Staubach/Aikmans of the world. Now we've been reduced to the Quincys/Vinnys/and Bledsoes of the world. Thanks BP

Our QB problems are way before BP. Our GM is to blame. We still dont know what we have in Romo and Henson. We could all be sucking wind here.
 

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We will never win a championship with Bledsoe. You can't go all the way with a quarterback who needs absolutely perfect protection every time he drops back to pass. I don't care that he can't run down the field for positive yardage. It's the fact that he can't even move LEFT TO RIGHT to avoid pressure in the pocket, like say Manning or Brady.
 

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I think Bledsoe will probably start next year.

This extension talk is premature and silly. He is still signed for two more years. Its not like teams will be beating down the door to sign him and he says he'd rather play for Parcells anyway.

Signing an aging, declining QB to a big money extension is a cap killer. I would hope Jerry learned his lesson on this.
 

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So, what happens if Jeff Ireland thinks he's the best option and talks Bill and Jerry into drafting him?

It might happen.

It could be that Henson steps up.

It could be that Romo does.

None of us really know. Everyone likes to speculate on hatred Parcells has for Henson or Romo going to be a golfer soon. It's all speculation.

Right now, as we sit, I still believe Henson is the long term option and nothing I've heard disways me from that. If we somehow got Brady Quinn I'd be ecstatic. If Romo turns into the next guy I'm going to be ecstatic.

If we draft Cutler or Jacobs and they get the job done I'm going to be ecstatic.

I'm not married to any option that works. That includes Henson. I want him to succeed, but if someone is better do it. My opinions and predictions and feelings be damned. I want to win.

If they feel Jacobs is the best option then I'm for it.
 

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bbgun said:
We will never win a championship with Bledsoe. You can't go all the way with a quarterback who needs absolutely perfect protection every time he drops back to pass. I don't care that he can't run down the field for positive yardage. It's the fact that he can't even move LEFT TO RIGHT to avoid pressure in the pocket, like say Manning or Brady.

I wonder sometimes if people even watch the games...

When there is any type of a pocket he can move around in it - that is what he does. When the entire pocket collapses much like it did against St. Louis and MANY of our opponents this year there is really not much anyone can do.

Watch the Kansas City game - there was a pocket to move around in so he did. When there is no pocket to move around in then the quarterback can't move around in the pocket... Manning and Brady can move around in the pocket because they have a pocket... gee sounds like common sense or something....
 

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I wonder sometimes if people even watch the games...

Did YOU watch the second Skins game? Many of those sacks were avoidable. He felt pressure, then looked for a soft spot to fall down.
 

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TwoDeep3 said:
I read a lot of negative posts about Bledsoe, but have yet to see anyone post who should challenge him for the starting spot.

Henson and Romo will never start in this league unless injury forces someone's hand. Neither has the skills to lead this team against a good division II school.

With the injury to Brees, Rivers is now the safety net for San Diego.

I keep hearing about Schaub. But would the Falcons let him go knowing that Ron Mexico will miss games each year?

The price is too high for anyone out there not in the draft. And that doesn't guarantee you will get someone as good as Bledsoe.

Please do not include Culpepper in this discussion. Injury and lack of talent exclude him from any serious discussion about quarterbacks. Because we do not have the players to enter into the jump ball contest, which made him attractive in the first place.

So who is this magic man on the market who will ramp up the competition for the starting spot with Dallas?

And if you intend to convince me, then you will have to do something extrodinary, since Bledsoe just set the second all-time yardage for passing for this franchise.

With an offensive line that couldn't stop a group of children from getting to the ice cream truck.

I keep asking this question and seem to get no serious replies. Just the Bledsoe is mediocre and needs to go responses.

Name names,please.


Jon Kitna. Decent mobility, proven success, and should be had relatively cheaply.



There are plenty of young QBs I'd look at but after seeing how badly the staff screwed up Henson, I'd be leery of anything but a proven veteran.
 

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mickgreen58 said:
You would hope for that.

But no way Romo and Henson can compete with Bledsoe, they have no experience to speak of and Bledsoe is still an above average QB.


The Front Office would clearly have to understand that the Cowboys would slide in 2006, if they were to let a young guy play.

- Mike G.

They couldn't even beat Hutch. They're both jokes. I could name a half dozen crappy qb's that could beat them out,like Kyle Orton,J.P.Losman,etc. Vince Young, Troy Smith and D.J. Shockley could beat out both of them. Good God!
What's wrong with people?
 

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IMO...we have to draft a QB this year...Bledsoe will start 2006 period, then let the open competition begin.

Henson has sat out of a starting football roll for to long! He can not recover now...he can't. I wanted him to start this year before we signed Bledsoe, but new if he did not his shelf life would be gone...he's done. We need a fresh QB that has been playing out of college.

We may not be able to get one of the better ones this year, but for sure we must draft one high in 2007. In our own division, Washington has drafted two first round qb's and one of them is bound to hit;the Eagles still have a relative young McNabb and the Gints have Manning. We're getting way behind at that position and better do something quick,except, we shouldn't touch Phillip Rivers.
 

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Ramsay will leave Washington because he cannot trust Gibbs after the way he was knifed. I have not heard anything good about Campbell. So they are not exactly set.
Manning is not accurate enough- if that does not improve he will not be all that much.
McFlabb- up and down. So realistically the division is not all that as regards QB's.
Brunnel is one more major injury from retirement.
 

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And ANYONE that thinks ANY other QB in this league could have done much better with the pathetic excuse for a line we had is a moron.
 

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KingTuna said:
Best plan for the Cowboys would be the following:

Sign Bledsoe to a two year extension that keeps him here through 2008.

Bledsoe starts in 2006 and 2007.

Draft a young QB in the 2007 draft and let him sit for one year behind Bledsoe.

Then in 2008 Either open up competition between Bledsoe and the rookie OR if the young guy clearly is not ready then let him sit behind Bledsoe one more year in 2008...

Bledsoe Reitres after the 2008 season at 36 years old (Same age as Brett Favre now) and he had 1-2 solid years of learning behind a HOF caliber QB in Bledsoe.

That is a SOUND QB plan for the Dallas Cowboys...

The minute you mentioned keeping Bledsoe negated anything else you had to say.
 
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