A Radically Different Plan for the Cowboys

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I guess what it comes down to is what camp you are in? I'm personally in camp #2. I wish I was in camp #1 though.


1. You think we are really close to making a super bowl run with the players we have now.

2. You think we need to really beef up the lines, add a safety, add some depth, and then make a super bowl run in a couple of years.
 

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T-RO;5011585 said:
Here is what I would do if I were GM. It is radically different than what we'll likely see from Valley Ranch.

1. I'd have absorbed the necessary big hit in salary cap and gotten my books in order so that the future is clean. What's happening now with all these renegotiations is going to bleed us for years to come. And indeed I'd go further, in clearing out aging and dead wood (Austin, Free, etc)

That's the approach someone without an understanding of the cap would take
 

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DFWJC;5011632 said:
That's an option.
As someone else said, however, if you're cleaning house, may as well really clean house.

No idea how it would turn out.
And, no surprise here, it's not what I would do in 2013.
But it would be a fresh start. That has it's benefits.

I would not trade Witten etc., only because I do believe that if you gave Orton a good OL, he would be better then 3-13. He could win for you IMO.
 

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We are 22-26 the past three seasons. In the three seasons prior to 2011 the 49ers were 21-27, and they went to a conference championship and a Super Bowl the next two.

Since 2000 the Cowboys are 1 game below .500. Not fun, I agree.

However, if you look at the numbers the Cardinals are 24 games below .500. the Raiders are 22 games below. Chiefs 15. Jaguars 13. And those teams look a hell of a lot further away from title contention than we do.

We haven't been good enough to win a title the past few seasons, but we certainly haven't been "not bad" enough.
 

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I try really hard not to criticize posters; however, it just seems like this thread was created as a look-at-me "I" would do something radical.
 

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xwalker;5011735 said:
I try really hard not to criticize posters; however, it just seems like this thread was created as a look-at-me "I" would do something radical.

I thought it was an excellent thread topic. I also feel like one day when we look back we will regret that Jerry emotionally held on to players for too long instead of cleaning house when those said players still had significant value on the market.
 

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xwalker;5011735 said:
I try really hard not to criticize posters; however, it just seems like this thread was created as a look-at-me "I" would do something radical.
And we sure don't have enough of those do we?
 

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Worked so far for the mavs.

And raise your hands if u think this front office can find a franchise qb.

We can barely fill in the less important pieces.

But hey we would have cap space and a couple extra draft picks.

try selling jerseys and stadium tours on the premise that u have cap space.
 

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theebs;5011791 said:
Worked so far for the mavs.

And raise your hands if u think this front office can find a franchise qb.

We can barely fill in the less important pieces.

But hey we would have cap space and a couple extra draft picks.

try selling jerseys and stadium tours on the premise that u have cap space.

It's Madden, bro! You can do anything you want...

:cool:
 

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Proximo;5011595 said:
Any plan that's based around sucking and tanking in the immediate future is ridiculous for where this team is right now. They are only a few pieces away from making a run, and they've already gotten younger and better over the last 2 offseasons. Trading Romo for draft picks that might be busts is ridiculous at this point. Maybe when he's washed up, but not now. That's just silly.


Even Jerry conceded: The window is closing.

I'm not saying Romo is washed up now. Far from it. He's going to be a good for 2 or 3 more years. Then you'll start to see the inevitable decline. Injuries will come more often and take longer to heal.

Pro sports is the domain of youth.
 

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CowboyStar88;5011600 said:
So to claim the books are not "right" is hogwash.

I know absolutely, positively, categorically that every dollar we are "saving" (what a perversely misapplied phrase) on the cap today...with all of these restructuring deals...we will owe in the future.

There are no guesses about this. There is no doubt. Short of the NFL killing the salary cap it is as certain as gravity.

Just like it is now with dead contracts...and our current cap purgatory...it will persist in seasons to come: We will end up with less available in the cap than everyone else.

I'm not guessing. I'm not speculating. I KNOW THIS. And one more thing I absolutely KNOW:

If you compound our current cap duress with giving Romo one of the biggest contracts in the NFL...We will be hamstrung for years.

We would be forced to watch some of our best players walk at the end of their contract...and be paralyzed to sign any meaningful FAs.
 

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Chocolate Lab;5011607 said:
Maybe this is Jerry's thinking in keeping Garrett around one more year. ;)

C-Lab...I almost always agree with you about the Cowboy Cingdom... but I don't understand your perspective about Jason.

I'm not dogmatic about it. Ready to be proven wrong...but I don't see Carrot Top as the problem.
 

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weaver21;5011616 said:
So we trade Romo, but keep Witten and Ware around for a season that would be miserable for them? If you're gonna trade Romo, then you're gonna have to trade Witten and Ware too. This plan of yours isn't gonna win us a Super Bowl anytime soon and Witten and Ware deserve to at least win one so you might as well trade them to a contender because they don't deserve to suffer through a 3-13 season.

I'd be willing to consider trading Ware and Witten.
 

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Another claims about cap doom in the future and no attempt to actually account for any of it.

You would be a terrible GM for no other reason that you rely on gross generalizations and guessing instead of knowing what you are talking about.
 

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WoodysGirl;5011623 said:
The assumption is that you can get a 1, 2, AND 3 for Romo.

That assumption would affect every other decision/opinion/assumption in the scenario outlined.

True. I'd probably be willing to do the trade even for just a first round and a second.

In EROD's thread he spoke of some in-the-know who think we could get a first rounder and two second-round picks.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;5011949 said:
Another claims about cap doom in the future and no attempt to actually account for any of it.

You would be a terrible GM for no other reason that you rely on gross generalizations and guessing instead of knowing what you are talking about.



I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about at the Macro level. We are in cap hell RIGHT NOW...scrambling around with our credit card, pushing our due dates back. As has been widely stated...we have no meaningful money to be a player in this year's free agency.
 

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theebs;5011791 said:
And raise your hands if u think this front office can find a franchise qb.


Jerry would love to draft a bright shiny quarterback. We just need to be drafting at the top. Top 3. There are no guarantees, but that is our best hope.

We need to suck for a year. We need to suck bad.

Meanwhile, I'll still be a fan of Romo where-ever he ends up playing.
 

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T-RO;5011955 said:
I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about at the Macro level. We are in cap hell RIGHT NOW...scrambling around with our credit card, pushing our due dates back. As has been widely stated...we have no meaningful money to be a player in this year's free agency.

This is the case for a lot of teams. We were active in the FA market last year, which means we need to fill our holes in the draft this year. Just because you have money to spend in FA doesnt always make you better, just ask Tampa Bay how that worked out last year.
 

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Proximo;5011595 said:
Any plan that's based around sucking and tanking in the immediate future is ridiculous for where this team is right now. They are only a few pieces away from making a run, and they've already gotten younger and better over the last 2 offseasons. Trading Romo for draft picks that might be busts is ridiculous at this point. Maybe when he's washed up, but not now. That's just silly.

So glad fans dont have a say so. They think jerry is bad? Imaginr one of us running it. It would be ten tines worse. Every player that gets in trouble would instantly get cut regardless of the cap ramifications. We would sign every player who is cut by another team (as proven by the hundreds of "should we sign ______" threads).
 

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dware94;5011968 said:
This is the case for a lot of teams. We were active in the FA market last year, which means we need to fill our holes in the draft this year. Just because you have money to spend in FA doesnt always make you better, just ask Tampa Bay how that worked out last year.

Aside from the Skins there aren't many teams like Dallas that were faced with a $20 million dollar hole.

I agree that FA is no miracle cure. I'd prefer to invest in keeping our own (though in recent years we haven't drafted enough good players for this to be an issue.)
 
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