A Romo Time Machine Thread

[jnday]

He was being modest an complimentary.

I think the ideal of Troy being that much of a gentleman doesn't register with these folks. That type of gentleman behavior is rare these days, so rare that it is not understood.

 

[visionary]

Aikman himself says Romo's better than he was. I'll take Troy at his word.

Reading comprehension is elementary

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Tony would of won 4 superbowls in the 90's. He is better than Troy Aikman.

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Nav22]

Reading comprehension is elementary

Then I wish you well in your Billy Madison-like quest.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Roger Staubach was saying that all Tony is missing is more talent around him so...in our way back machine we transport Tony back to past decades.

Tony joins the 60's teams does Dallas win a Super Bowl?

No. The game was much less about throwing in those days and much more about defense and a strong running game. We had a guy like Romo in those days. His name was Don Meredith and if I had to compare Tony to any Cowboys QB, it would be Dandy Don. Still, Don Meredith, IMO, was tougher then Romo and he needed to be because he was flat beat up in those days. I think we see very similar results.

Tony joins the 70's teams does Dallas win more Super Bowls? Less? The same?

No. He would have never beaten out Roger.

Tony joins the 80's teams does Dallas win a Super Bowl?

Yes, possibly. 80-82, the Cowboys went to 3 straight Conference Championships and lost all 3. Danny White was the QB and he was a pretty good QB but he had an injury that basically prevented him from throwing the football the way his natural throwing motion allowed. He sustained a wrist injury and it prevented him from snapping off his wrist when throwing the ball. He actually changed his throwing motion and the result was more of a push then a snap, if you know what I mean. This created a lot of problems because balls sailed on him, he didn't have that tight spiral a lot of times and he basically just was not the same QB. If Tony is the QB on those teams, we have a good chance to win one or two. Not sure about Philly in 80. That was a really powerful Defense and I don't know if the QB would have made much of a difference there. Danny White didn't have a great game but that was no roll over team in Philly. May not have mattered who was playing QB. San Franciso in 81, that's a tough one because they turned the ball over more then we did, we had them down and they drove for the winning TD on us late. That was more in the hands of the D then the QB. We had a chance at the end of the game and we were driving but Danny fumbled the ball and that was more on the OL then Danny. Can't say that would not have happened to Romo had he been the QB. That could go either way. In 82 against the Skins, I'm absolutely saying we would have won that game. We lost that game 31 to 17 and in that game, White started and Hogenbloom (lol) finished. That game was ugly for us at QB. If Romo is there, then he is the starter and neither White or Hogeboom see time. I like our chances in this game with Romo.

That Oakland Team in 80-81 was tough. I don't know if we knock them off in the Super Bowl.
I think we have a good chance of beating Cincy in 81-82 in the Super Bowl.
I think we have a good chance of beating Miami in 82-83 in the Super Bowl.

Tony joins the 90's teams does Dallas win more? Less? The same?

Not early in the 90s or in the Mid 90s. I don't think Romo beats out Troy unless it's late in Troy's career and even then, we just didn't have the same talent level as in years past so I don't know if it would have made much of a difference, even then. Maybe in 98, Troy went down and we still had some talent offensively. Maybe Tony comes in and plays better then Garrett but that's a reach to say that we would have won the Super Bowl that year. Kinda the same deal in 99 IMO. Prior to 98, Romo would not have been able to beat Troy and so, since Troy played all 16 games in 97, Romo does not play.

That's how I see it.

 

[tyke1doe]

We saw Aikman's limitations when salary cap and injuries started to erode the talent base post 95.

I think Romo could have adapted to the changes better than Troy did and maybe squeeze out one more.

Troy suffered from the effects of his concussions. Tony hasn't been subject to the same beating Troy took. I don't think you can compare the two.

 

[blindzebra]

No. The game was much less about throwing in those days and much more about defense and a strong running game. We had a guy like Romo in those days. His name was Don Meredith and if I had to compare Tony to any Cowboys QB, it would be Dandy Don. Still, Don Meredith, IMO, was tougher then Romo and he needed to be because he was flat beat up in those days. I think we see very similar results.



No. He would have never beaten out Roger.



Yes, possibly. 80-82, the Cowboys went to 3 straight Conference Championships and lost all 3. Danny White was the QB and he was a pretty good QB but he had an injury that basically prevented him from throwing the football the way his natural throwing motion allowed. He sustained a wrist injury and it prevented him from snapping off his wrist when throwing the ball. He actually changed his throwing motion and the result was more of a push then a snap, if you know what I mean. This created a lot of problems because balls sailed on him, he didn't have that tight spiral a lot of times and he basically just was not the same QB. If Tony is the QB on those teams, we have a good chance to win one or two. Not sure about Philly in 80. That was a really powerful Defense and I don't know if the QB would have made much of a difference there. Danny White didn't have a great game but that was no roll over team in Philly. May not have mattered who was playing QB. San Franciso in 81, that's a tough one because they turned the ball over more then we did, we had them down and they drove for the winning TD on us late. That was more in the hands of the D then the QB. We had a chance at the end of the game and we were driving but Danny fumbled the ball and that was more on the OL then Danny. Can't say that would not have happened to Romo had he been the QB. That could go either way. In 82 against the Skins, I'm absolutely saying we would have won that game. We lost that game 31 to 17 and in that game, White started and Hogenbloom (lol) finished. That game was ugly for us at QB. If Romo is there, then he is the starter and neither White or Hogeboom see time. I like our chances in this game with Romo.

That Oakland Team in 80-81 was tough. I don't know if we knock them off in the Super Bowl.
I think we have a good chance of beating Cincy in 81-82 in the Super Bowl.
I think we have a good chance of beating Miami in 82-83 in the Super Bowl.



Not early in the 90s or in the Mid 90s. I don't think Romo beats out Troy unless it's late in Troy's career and even then, we just didn't have the same talent level as in years past so I don't know if it would have made much of a difference, even then. Maybe in 98, Troy went down and we still had some talent offensively. Maybe Tony comes in and plays better then Garrett but that's a reach to say that we would have won the Super Bowl that year. Kinda the same deal in 99 IMO. Prior to 98, Romo would not have been able to beat Troy and so, since Troy played all 16 games in 97, Romo does not play.

That's how I see it.

This is not about beating them out in their decades, it is about if Tony had those TEAMS AROUND HIM would he have won championships.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Troy suffered from the effects of his concussions. Tony hasn't been subject to the same beating Troy took. I don't think you can compare the two.

Tony has never, ever played on teams that were as bad as those 89, 90 teams. Troy took some seriously career threatening shots in the early days. I am not sure that Romo could have sustained. Perhaps he could have but there is zero guarantee of it. I don't think you can discount the physical aspects of playing the position, pre 2000s. It was a much different game, to be sure.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I am sure if he had thrown the ball to Jackie Smith in the 1978 SB, people would have blamed Tony for it not being thrown in a place where Smith could catch it.

Now that is funny, ... no wait, because it is so true it's not funny.

Well played.

 

[blindzebra]

Troy suffered from the effects of his concussions. Tony hasn't been subject to the same beating Troy took. I don't think you can compare the two.

Troy got those hits because he could not avoid the rush and still make a play...he had to stand in there to make the throw. Tony has shown the ability to avoid the rush with lines even worse than Troy had in the late 90's.

The comparison is spot on.

 

[tyke1doe]

Troy got those hits because he could not avoid the rush and still make a play...he had to stand in there to make the throw. Tony has shown the ability to avoid the rush with lines even worse than Troy had in the late 90's.

The comparison is spot on.

Uh, no.

You can't target the quarterback's head like you could when Troy was playing. Did you see that shot he sustained by Lavar Arrington? Do you remember in the 89 (or maybe 90) year when he was wacked by the Cardinals defender?
If Romo takes a shot like Aikman did, he's likely not playing anymore. Troy was bigger than Romo.

Be that as it may, the point of my initial response had to do with the comment about Troy's play declining in his later years. The suggestion was that based on not having a team like he did in his earlier years, we saw his "true" talent.

My counter was that you can't measure Troy in his latter years, particularly because he had suffered the effects of concussion. Troys play eroded rapidly after the Super Bowl years. And I contend it's because of the repeated beating he received in his earlier years.

As for this overall topic, I can't get worked up it. There's NO WAY we can prove any of this. It ALL amounts to speculation. Maybe Tony would have been great with the 90s Cowboys. Maybe he wouldn't have. I don't know and no one does.

But I'm glad I got to witness the domination of the 90s Cowboys because I fear I may never see it again - present ownership remaining in tact, that is.

So I keep a special place in my mind for the glory days because they are since LLLLLOOOONNNGGG gone.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Tony hasn't been subject to the same beating Troy took. I don't think you can compare the two.

Exactly. It's such a different league now, it's hard to even compare. As good as Tony is at avoiding pressure, he still would been destroyed by all time greats like Jerome Brown and Reggie White coached by Buddy Ryan. Difference is that Tony, being a lot smaller than Troy, probably wouldn't have held up as well. Troy took some devastating shots in those days, shots that today would at the very least be illegal, and could well have drawn suspensions. Back then it was just normal football.

Bottom line, Aikman is criminally underrated by some around here. I guess those people only remember his last, lousy years. Well guess what, Tony in his last years isn't going to look as good as the guy who just threw for 500 yards, either.

 

[Muhast]

the only thing romo has over troy is his mobility

if you look at the success peyton and brady are having in this era behind decent OLs, that argument does not hold water

troy was a great leader, deadly accurate, make all the throws, repeatedly showed he could deliver on the biggest stage and under pressure

give me troy over romo

for being so accurate, Troy turned the ball over just as often as Tony. Through the first 7 years: 86tds,85 ints. Romo: 101 tds/91ints.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is not about beating them out in their decades, it is about if Tony had those TEAMS AROUND HIM would he have won championships.

Well, no such stipulation was made in the OP so the evaluations I made are based on THOSE teams, including the then QBs.

However, as I have already said, Romo is Meredith, IMO, but not as tough. In a much, much more physical game that was much more reliant on Defense and Running game, do you see him having more impact on those teams in the 60s? I do not.

Roger was a better QB then Romo and that's just how I see it. He could do everything Romo does but better so I don't see how the results would have been better with Romo at QB. They probably would have been worse, at best the same but I doubt that last statement would come to fruition.

The 80s, I've already said I think that there is a chance there.

90s, Romo in Norv's offense is not Troy in that same offense. Troy was, IMO, a better QB. He was more accurate, stronger armed, stronger leader and physically bigger and more gifted. Troy, when he 1st came up, was mobile. It was the offense he played in that took that away from him. A smaller Romo, in that same offense, would only result in more injuries sooner. I don't see how Romo could have won more had he been there in place of Troy. In fact, he would not have won as many IMO. Would Romo take a back seat to Emmitt in that offense? I don't think so. Would Emmitt have resigned with Dallas had he been getting only 14/15 carries a game? I am not at all certain he would have and without Emmitt, it would have been much, much harder to accomplish what the Cowboys did in the 90s. Take that a step further, if Tony would have been there in the 80s, Dallas probably would never have been able to draft Troy and we never win the 3 we did in the 90s. Bottom line, QBs like Tony are only as successful as they are, right now, because of how much the game has changed, from a stats perspective. In the old days, it was much more of a team game IMO. No one player had nearly as much influence on how the game was played, prior to all of these rule changes.

 

[tyke1doe]

for being so accurate, Troy turned the ball over just as often as Tony. Through the first 7 years: 86tds,85 ints. Romo: 101 tds/91ints.

How about giving us a break down on each year. I'm willing to bet that most of those turnovers came in Troy's first few years when he was leading the team kind of like Romo has to do now. By lumping them together, we don't get a true picture of the interceptions nor the circumstances surrounding them.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Troy got those hits because he could not avoid the rush and still make a play...he had to stand in there to make the throw. Tony has shown the ability to avoid the rush with lines even worse than Troy had in the late 90's.

The comparison is spot on.

I don't agree with this. Troy got those hits because of the offense he played in. That offense was designed to delivery the ball accurately before the D could hit you. You can't run a timing offense like that if you have a guy running all over the place. Everything works off timing and the ball must be delivered on time. Once you set that back foot down on whatever drop, 3/5 and seldom 7, that ball should be away in Norv's old Cowboy Offense.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Since this is all speculation about Romo, .. I have speculated that Herschel Walker could have replaced Emmitt Smith and we would not have missed a beat in the 90's

I would have loved to see HW when we had the lead in the second half of so many games, and were pounding them with the run.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Uh, no.

You can't target the quarterback's head like you could when Troy was playing. Did you see that shot he sustained by Lavar Arrington? Do you remember in the 89 (or maybe 90) year when he was wacked by the Cardinals defender?
If Romo takes a shot like Aikman did, he's likely not playing anymore. Troy was bigger than Romo.

Be that as it may, the point of my initial response had to do with the comment about Troy's play declining in his later years. The suggestion was that based on not having a team like he did in his earlier years, we saw his "true" talent.

My counter was that you can't measure Troy in his latter years, particularly because he had suffered the effects of concussion. Troys play eroded rapidly after the Super Bowl years. And I contend it's because of the repeated beating he received in his earlier years.

As for this overall topic, I can't get worked up it. There's NO WAY we can prove any of this. It ALL amounts to speculation. Maybe Tony would have been great with the 90s Cowboys. Maybe he wouldn't have. I don't know and no one does.

But I'm glad I got to witness the domination of the 90s Cowboys because I fear I may never see it again - present ownership remaining in tact, that is.

So I keep a special place in my mind for the glory days because they are since LLLLLOOOONNNGGG gone.

The shot he took against Arizona in his Rookie year, easily one of the worst I've ever seen in Professional Football.

 

[tyke1doe]

Just checked the stats myself. 36 of Aikman's interceptions came in the first two years when the Cowboys were trash and relied on him.
But, here again, its hard to compare stats over generations. The pass interference rules and rules to protect the quarterback were different in Aikman's era than it Tony's. Whose to say that if Tony had to play in Aikman's era, he would be better? Tony benefits from today's rules where defensive ends and linebackers have to think before they hit a quarterback low or high and in and era where cornerbacks can barely touch the receivers.

Would Mel Blount be a Hall of Fame corner if he had to play in this era?

Again, there are too many variables to make a fair comparison.

 

[tyke1doe]

Since this is all speculation about Romo, .. I have speculated that Herschel Walker could have replaced Emmitt Smith and we would not have missed a beat in the 90's

I would have loved to see HW when we had the lead in the second half of so many games, and were pounding them with the run.

You're kidding, right?